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You should spend more time in that passage, it fully refutes what you are saying.
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And we shut Him out when we are afraid of Him, having been infected with the leaven of legalism.
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Well, that’s the point, they aren’t entering into glory. They are going to the shame of outer darkness, what I think is the pay the last farthing place. We aren’t talking about unbelievers. We’re talking about believers. We’re talking about people given the down payment of the Spirit. People given eternal life. This is why the mercy of annihilation would not be the worst fate. If (If) outer darkness is forever, ITS the worst fate. That would make the worst fate be for those in the outer darkness rather than those annihilated as men teach. Which makes the warnings of utmost importance to US, not to unbelievers. You will be judged as you have judged starts looking much different.
Here’s the end of Romans 1: 32 They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
And here’s the next thing in the book:
2 You may think you can condemn such people, but you are just as bad, and you have no excuse! When you say they are wicked and should be punished, you are condemning yourself, for you who judge others do these very same things. 2 And we know that God, in his justice, will punish anyone who does such things. 3 Since you judge others for doing these things, why do you think you can avoid God’s judgment when you do the same things? 4 Don’t you see how wonderfully kind, tolerant, and patient God is with you? Does this mean nothing to you? Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin?
So you see that murder being anger in your heart matters very, very much.
And you see that not judging unbelievers matters very, very much.
You begin to see that your righteousness must exceed their righteousness matters very, very much.
That is the point where you begin to hunger for righteousness.
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Jesus had already come way down from the glory that he had with his Father before his natural birth into a very corruptible body in Bethlehem. This life in the flesh was his place of temptation, hell itself. He overcame it (his own little world of temptations) [John 16:33, I John 2:16-17] before he went to the cross!
Jesus had come down to this place where the dead dwell, the realm of the natural man: hell. Everyone here who has not been born again or born from above [John 3:3] is blind to the things of God and remains "dead" [in the place of the dead, in hell].
As Jesus put it:
"... Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead." Matt 8:22
In the eyes of God and therefore of Jesus, anyone who could not see the Truth of God was effectively dead! Jesus came down into this mess subject to temptations like all men, but then he overcame everything that stood between him and his place with his Father. That included his corruptible body!
He also made it possible for those who had already sinned, and had really earned the death that they were in, to have real Life:
"I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." John 10:10
The dead are simply dead. Those who have received the Life which Jesus brought have initially moved away from death but still having the ways of an unclean beast like those saved the Ark of Noah, they need to be cleaned up so as to become clean beasts and finally to have all of their beastly ways destroyed [killed... as in kill the 'old man']
Our God is the consuming fire able to clean the unclean and to kill the old man of us. But how many of us, like the three Hebrews are willing to trust God and will allow ourselves to be cast into the Consuming Fire knowing that that Fire will only burn up that which is evil, or that which leads to evil: the ways of men?
Trying to find a reason?
Let's stay with the Bible.
And God isn't a liar. Men are. Not God.
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Nonsense!
Romans 8:15-16 KJV
15) For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
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BarneyFife
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I thought we were having a friendly discussion. Your varying tones often puzzle me. I'm finding it difficult to communicate with you on a meaningful level. Writing you off? Being dismissive toward you? How do you get that from my questioning the application of a Bible Study method? Is being mistaken or misguided a character flaw? Even when it's not definitely challenged but merely questioned?
How do you pay for your sin? What do you pay that is more efficacious than Jesus' death? How will you reconcile to God if Christ's death wasn't enough??
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If I've responded inappropriately, I apologize. I know I sometimes put a fine point on things.
What is questionable about that? And why say so without even the slightest bit of exploration on why I say that?
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Just curious because you are having a hard time rejoicing over what I am saying here. would you rather read from a book about the love of God the Father, Or would you rather experience that Love first hand?
Buddy, you ain’t seen nothing! Come talk to my mother! Very defensive, almost everything one says she takes as an attack on herself or a putting down of her.
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