Church Father Justyn Martyr 100-165AD, Taught The Thousand Years Was Eternal, Not On This Earth

[Truth7t7]

Church Father (Justin Martyr 100-165AD) taught the 1,000 years represented the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, not a literal kingdom on this earth

Justin Martyr 100-165AD (Dialogue With Trypho The Jew)

CHAPTER LXXXI -- HE ENDEAVOURS TO PROVE THIS OPINION FROM ISAIAH AND THE APOCALYPSE.

"For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years: 'For there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, or come into their heart; but they shall find joy and gladness in it, which things I create. For, Behold, I make Jerusalem a rejoicing, and My people a joy; and I shall rejoice over Jerusalem, and be glad over My I people. And the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, or the voice of crying. And there shall be no more there a person of immature years, or an old man who shall not fulfil his days. For the young man shall be an hundred years old; but the sinner who dies an hundred years old, he shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and shall themselves inhabit them; and they shall plant vines, and shall themselves eat the produce of them, and drink the wine. They shall not build, and others inhabit; they shall not plant, and others eat. For according to the days of the tree of life shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound. Mine elect shall not toil fruitlessly, or beget children to be cursed; for they shall be a seed righteous and blessed by the Lord, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call I will hear; while they are still speaking, I shall say, What is it? Then shall the wolves and the lambs feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; but the serpent[shall eat] earth as bread. They shall not hurt or maltreat each other on the holy mountain, i saith the Lord.' Now we have understood that the expression used among these words, 'According to the days of the tree[of life] shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound' obscurely predicts a thousand years. For as Adam was told that in the nay fie ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Yes!! Little men have lots of silly,crazy wrong ideas!!! Understand and believe God's eternal living Word!!

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes!! Little men have lots of silly,crazy wrong ideas!!! Understand and believe God's eternal living Word!!

Little Men?

Lots Of Crazy Ideas?

 

[Randy Kluth]

Church Father (Justin Martyr 100-165AD) taught the 1,000 years represented the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, not a literal kingdom on this earth

Justin Martyr 100-165AD (Dialogue With Trypho The Jew)

CHAPTER LXXXI -- HE ENDEAVOURS TO PROVE THIS OPINION FROM ISAIAH AND THE APOCALYPSE.

"For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years: 'For there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, or come into their heart; but they shall find joy and gladness in it, which things I create. For, Behold, I make Jerusalem a rejoicing, and My people a joy; and I shall rejoice over Jerusalem, and be glad over My I people. And the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, or the voice of crying. And there shall be no more there a person of immature years, or an old man who shall not fulfil his days. For the young man shall be an hundred years old; but the sinner who dies an hundred years old, he shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and shall themselves inhabit them; and they shall plant vines, and shall themselves eat the produce of them, and drink the wine. They shall not build, and others inhabit; they shall not plant, and others eat. For according to the days of the tree of life shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound. Mine elect shall not toil fruitlessly, or beget children to be cursed; for they shall be a seed righteous and blessed by the Lord, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call I will hear; while they are still speaking, I shall say, What is it? Then shall the wolves and the lambs feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; but the serpent[shall eat] earth as bread. They shall not hurt or maltreat each other on the holy mountain, i saith the Lord.' Now we have understood that the expression used among these words, 'According to the days of the tree[of life] shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound' obscurely predicts a thousand years. For as Adam was told that in the nay fie ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject.

That says nothing about the thousand years not being literal. Adam's life fell short of a thousand years, indicating to Justin that the Millennium would exceed anything short of a thousand years.

I don't believe the prophecy indicated human life would extend a thousand years. But apparently Justin thought so, that the blessings in the Millennium would virtually remove death for the saint. Since Adam fell short of the Millennium, it proved that he had not yet entered into the promised blessings of the saints.

 

[Bob Estey]

Church Father (Justin Martyr 100-165AD) taught the 1,000 years represented the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, not a literal kingdom on this earth

Justin Martyr 100-165AD (Dialogue With Trypho The Jew)

CHAPTER LXXXI -- HE ENDEAVOURS TO PROVE THIS OPINION FROM ISAIAH AND THE APOCALYPSE.

"For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years: 'For there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, or come into their heart; but they shall find joy and gladness in it, which things I create. For, Behold, I make Jerusalem a rejoicing, and My people a joy; and I shall rejoice over Jerusalem, and be glad over My I people. And the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, or the voice of crying. And there shall be no more there a person of immature years, or an old man who shall not fulfil his days. For the young man shall be an hundred years old; but the sinner who dies an hundred years old, he shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and shall themselves inhabit them; and they shall plant vines, and shall themselves eat the produce of them, and drink the wine. They shall not build, and others inhabit; they shall not plant, and others eat. For according to the days of the tree of life shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound. Mine elect shall not toil fruitlessly, or beget children to be cursed; for they shall be a seed righteous and blessed by the Lord, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call I will hear; while they are still speaking, I shall say, What is it? Then shall the wolves and the lambs feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; but the serpent[shall eat] earth as bread. They shall not hurt or maltreat each other on the holy mountain, i saith the Lord.' Now we have understood that the expression used among these words, 'According to the days of the tree[of life] shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound' obscurely predicts a thousand years. For as Adam was told that in the nay fie ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject.

I sometimes believe prophesies in the Bible come true with each generation.

 

[Oseas]

Church Father (Justin Martyr 100-165AD) taught the 1,000 years represented the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, not a literal kingdom on this earth

Justin Martyr 100-165AD (Dialogue With Trypho The Jew)

CHAPTER LXXXI -- HE ENDEAVOURS TO PROVE THIS OPINION FROM ISAIAH AND THE APOCALYPSE.

A thousand years is a thousand years, period. In other words, 365.000 days, or 8.760.000 hours. Multiplying by 60 you will find how many minutes.

It is evident that in Eternity time is not counted, it will not exist for example, year 9967549485756986057858504738490578... , understand?

 

[Timtofly]

Church Father (Justin Martyr 100-165AD) taught the 1,000 years represented the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, not a literal kingdom on this earth

Justin Martyr 100-165AD (Dialogue With Trypho The Jew)

CHAPTER LXXXI -- HE ENDEAVOURS TO PROVE THIS OPINION FROM ISAIAH AND THE APOCALYPSE.

"For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years: 'For there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, or come into their heart; but they shall find joy and gladness in it, which things I create. For, Behold, I make Jerusalem a rejoicing, and My people a joy; and I shall rejoice over Jerusalem, and be glad over My I people. And the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, or the voice of crying. And there shall be no more there a person of immature years, or an old man who shall not fulfil his days. For the young man shall be an hundred years old; but the sinner who dies an hundred years old, he shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and shall themselves inhabit them; and they shall plant vines, and shall themselves eat the produce of them, and drink the wine. They shall not build, and others inhabit; they shall not plant, and others eat. For according to the days of the tree of life shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound. Mine elect shall not toil fruitlessly, or beget children to be cursed; for they shall be a seed righteous and blessed by the Lord, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call I will hear; while they are still speaking, I shall say, What is it? Then shall the wolves and the lambs feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; but the serpent[shall eat] earth as bread. They shall not hurt or maltreat each other on the holy mountain, i saith the Lord.' Now we have understood that the expression used among these words, 'According to the days of the tree[of life] shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound' obscurely predicts a thousand years. For as Adam was told that in the nay fie ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject.

So the everlasting is only 1000 years?

"For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years."

Justin himself equated Revelation 20 to Isaiah 65 in that first line. Unlike you he equated 1000 years to Isaiah 65. He did not state Revelation 20 and those 1000 years is eternity itself, in heaven, like your title suggest.

You have the thought process reversed from what Justin literally claims. Humans do not live as trees in Paradise or heaven, and Justin does not claim that. Justin does not say on earth or in Paradise. Justin talks about Jerusalem as still being the one on earth, since he does not use the qualifier "New". We should assume on earth as still being the context of Isaiah 65 and Justin Martyr's quote.

Do you have a quote from Justin where he specifically talks about Paradise itself?

The thousand years is the literal human time frame. The Day with the Lord is the time spent in Paradise with the Lord. That is the point of the equation, not just that God is longsuffering.

If the relationship is time with God, not just time to God, then the longsuffering aspect of God is that God gives humans way more time, than they actually deserve. 1000 years compared to only 24 hours of existence. God can literally accomplish in 24 hours, what it would take humans 1000 years, and many generations. Saying that God endures mankind's 6000 years is rather pointless, especially if you claim time is not even relative to God. God would not even endure 24 hours of man's sinful nature, as God immediately ejected Adam and Eve from the garden, because of sin. One could argue that God left them alone for many hours after they disobeyed, as they had time to attempt their own cover up of their disobedience, but they were not "with God". Obviously they thought they could hide "from God".

Any claim that this 1000 years equates to any other time frame than 1000 years seems as useless as Adam and Eve trying to hide from God. No where does God indicate this 1000 years is anything else besides a literal 1000 years between Armageddon and the GWT. Neither does Justin Martyr. Justin Martyr only associates Revelation 20 with Isaiah 65. Something Amil refuse themselves to do. Isaiah 65 is not the time of the fulness of the Gentiles, ie the NT church age. Isaiah does not make that claim, and neither does Justin Martyr.

Look at the context with Isaiah 65:16:

"That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.

The very next verse claims why "in the earth", things are better, not about heaven or Paradise at all.

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Nothing about the "former" earth, just that a new heavens and earth is experienced. How is it experienced? The mind is changed for one thing, because there is no remembrance of the former earth. Not that there is no more life on earth. Justin Martyr never mentions eternity at all. You are interpreting his quote the same way you interpret Isaiah 65 itself. Yet Justin Martyr is not quoting Isaiah 65 like you do. I agree with Justin Martyr there is a literal 1000 years after the Second Coming, where the former things are remembered no more. This time is only after the Second Coming and before the GWT. Isaiah 65 is describing this 1000 year period. Justin Martyr seems to still view it as a future event. He does not say it is currently ongoing, nor uses the words "eternal kingdom".

Then the very last quote, ties in 2 Peter 3:8. Justin Martyr interprets that verse as being the Day of the Lord. When I use that phrase with this 1000 year period, you claim I am in error. The Day of the Lord is the whole 1000 years, not a 24 hour time frame. This Day of the Lord starts at the 6th Seal with the Second Coming. The next whole Millennium is with the Lord, and on earth, as it is 1000 years. It is as Isaiah 65 states. It starts out with the judgment of fire, the regeneration. There will be a new heavens and earth, and the present will be totally forgotten. The GWT will happen at the end of the 1000 years. I agree with Jesus Christ, Peter, John, Isaiah, and Justin Martyr. Saying the next 1000 years is anything else than what is literally stated in Scripture is not agreeing with them. It is adding private interpretation that changes the text of God's Word. Of course Justin Martyr never claimed the next 1000 years would be the Millennium. He would have been wrong.

He did not say he was living in the time of Isaiah 65. No one would have believed him. Many Amil also reject Isaiah 65 as being the here and now, but some do claim Revelation 20 is the here and now. Justin Martyr is not even stating the finality of the Second Coming. Nor claiming a coming kingdom, nor the church reigning on earth. The closest thing is that Justin Martyr indicates the Day of the Lord is this 1000 years, as Revelation 20 is the only Scripture giving us a 1000 year time frame.

All this quote proves is that Justin Martyr read Isaiah, read 2 Peter, and the book of Revelation.

 

[Truth7t7]

That says nothing about the thousand years not being literal. Adam's life fell short of a thousand years, indicating to Justin that the Millennium would exceed anything short of a thousand years.

I don't believe the prophecy indicated human life would extend a thousand years. But apparently Justin thought so, that the blessings in the Millennium would virtually remove death for the saint. Since Adam fell short of the Millennium, it proved that he had not yet entered into the promised blessings of the saints.

Justin quoted Isaiah 65:17 in Relationship to the thousand years, eternal in the New Heaven and Earth, not on this earth as Millennialism claims

 

[MatthewG]

The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 1000 - Scripture Revealed

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[Truth7t7]

The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 1000 - Scripture Revealed

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Scripture teaches that the thousand seen in Revelation 20:4-6 is in the Eternal

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[Timtofly]

The Meaning of Numbers: The Number 1000 - Scripture Revealed

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This lack of specificity is telling.

John was being exact, and not vague.

 

[MatthewG]

Just sharing. Thank you for your thoughts.

 

[Naomi25]

Church Father (Justin Martyr 100-165AD) taught the 1,000 years represented the eternal kingdom in the new heaven and earth, not a literal kingdom on this earth

Just feel I should probably point out that any Kingdom OF the ‘new heavens/new earth’ WILL be an earthly kingdom. This earth, more to the point. Just as we will still be…us…this earth will still be…this earth, just made new. Thus, any kingdom reigning from it, even eternally, will be a very literal, earthly reign.

 

[Truth7t7]

Just feel I should probably point out that any Kingdom OF the ‘new heavens/new earth’ WILL be an earthly kingdom. This earth, more to the point. Just as we will still be…us…this earth will still be…this earth, just made new. Thus, any kingdom reigning from it, even eternally, will be a very literal, earthly reign.

Just thought I would point out that this heaven and earth will be dissolved by fire at the return of Jesus Christ 2 Peter 3:10-13, and it will be a completely new creation Revelation 21:1-5 in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Behold, I Make All Things New

Yes the Eternal kingdom will be tangible, with fruit on the tree of life for food, fishermen, fishing nets

Ezekiel 47:8-12KJV
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

The New Heaven and Earth will have houses being built, vineyards, animals living in peace and harmony,

Isaiah 65:17-25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

 

[Oseas]

Just thought I would point out that this heaven and earth will be dissolved by fire at the return of Jesus Christ 2 Peter 3:10-13, and it will be a completely new creation Revelation 21:1-5 in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Behold, I Make All Things New

Yes the Eternal kingdom will be tangible, with fruit on the tree of life for food, fishermen, fishing nets

Ezekiel 47:8-12KJV
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

The New Heaven and Earth will have houses being built, vineyards, animals living in peace and harmony,

Isaiah 65:17-25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Revelation 11:v.14 to 18

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that WORLD -the next WORLD - the Kingdom of GOD-, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 4:v.13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up...to meet the Lord...and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Philippians 3:v.20-21
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

 

[Naomi25]

Just thought I would point out that this heaven and earth will be dissolved by fire at the return of Jesus Christ 2 Peter 3:10-13, and it will be a completely new creation Revelation 21:1-5 in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

Remember when I said “this earth just made new”..? Yeah…I meant: ‘this earth made new”.
And, when I said just as there’d be continuity between our old and new selves, thus there would be continuity between the old and new earth….I meant it to mean…it would still be THIS earth…not entirely another one.

With those things understood (can one dearly hope), I repeat….if a ‘literal kingdom’ is spoken of ‘on this earth’…there is nothing to say it cannot be in ‘the new earth’. It would still be upon…’this’ earth. Thus, when I say about myself…”I will live forever with Jesus” it is absolute truth. I have not specified that it will be in my new body or in the new heavens/earth. I understand (as should any who read scripture) that ‘eternity’ in God’s Kingdom will be in both new body and earth.

 

[Truth7t7]

I meant it to mean…it would still be THIS earth…not entirely another one.

With those things understood (can one dearly hope), I repeat….if a ‘literal kingdom’ is spoken of ‘on this earth’…there is nothing to say it cannot be in ‘the new earth’. It would still be upon…’this’ earth. Thus, when I say about myself…”I will live forever with Jesus” it is absolute truth. I have not specified that it will be in my new body or in the new heavens/earth. I understand (as should any who read scripture) that ‘eternity’ in God’s Kingdom will be in both new body and earth.

Your desire isn't a reality found in scripture, this heaven and earth will pass away by fire, it will be a completely new creation

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isaiah 65:17KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

 

[Naomi25]

Your desire isn't a reality found in scripture, this heaven and earth will pass away by fire, it will be a completely new creation

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

No, no. I’m sure you’re quite right. I’m sure “behold, I make all things new” is, in point of fact, more correctly understood as “behold, I make all things different”.
After all, why would we expect any continuity in this earth, after he declared the one he originally made good? After we see continuity in our new bodies, even after our ‘old’ ones are burned up, dusted by time. After we see continuity in the ‘new Jerusalem’. It could have been any heavenly city. It wasn’t. It’s a new version of the old one.

But…yes. I’m sure you’re quite right and God will want nothing to do with this rock, and he’ll burn it all up and whisk us all away to a brand spanking new one where the sky is purple. Because we can’t have continuity…that’s unbiblical to suggest.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Justin quoted Isaiah 65:17 in Relationship to the thousand years, eternal in the New Heaven and Earth, not on this earth as Millennialism claims

At the very least this is very unclear, and possibly contradictory. You say a thousand years is eternal, and it is on the new earth, but not on the earth.

 

[Oseas]

Your desire isn't a reality found in scripture, this heaven and earth will pass away by fire, it will be a completely new creation

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Isaiah 65:17KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

What was the GOD's Plan-Genesis-since the beginning? What does the Word of GOD say? - The Word is GOD - Acts 3:v.18 to 26

18 But those things, which GOD before had shewed by the mouth of all His prophets, that Christ should suffer, He hath so fulfilled.

19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

20 And He shall SEND Jesus Christ unto you, which before was preached - announced in the last TWO THOUSAND YEARS-:

21 Whom the heaven must receive UNTIL THE TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets SINCE THE WORLD BEGUN.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And IT SHALL COME TO PASS, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. - (TIMES of the end - TIMES for dissolving the wicked nations and all their stuctures will be moved out of their places, then kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, will hide themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains, for the great Day of the wrath of the Lamb is come; and who shall be able to stand?")

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which GOD made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first GOD, having raised up His Son Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

LUKE 20:V.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that WORLD,-the next WORLD-the Kingdom of GOD-and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.