ANOTHER FACTOR THAT PROVES AMIL FALSE, PAUL WISHED FOR A RESURRECTION OF THE UNJUST ALSO

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TheHC

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The idea of a second chance at salvation after death is simply not taught anywhere in scripture.
Sure it is! What do you think the Resurrection of the unrighteous, and their following judgment (Acts 24:15; John 5:28,29), is about?

The judgment they receive is concerning their actions after their resurrection. Death was the payment for their previous sins! — Romans 6:7,23.

What? Where do you come up with this stuff? All Christians are chosen/elect and go to heaven.
No. There are Christ’s “brothers” (who are the chosen), and there are the “sheep” class, whom Jesus says have done good things “to” His “brothers”. - Matthew 25:31-45.

These ones are not His brothers, but are still followers of Christ.
They make up the “meek / mild tempered [who will] inherit the Earth”, as Jesus stated at Matthew 5:5. See Psalm 37:10,11,29
 
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Sure it is! What do you think the Resurrection of the unrighteous, and their following judgment (Acts 24:15; John 5:28,29), is about?

The judgment they receive is concerning their actions after their resurrection. Death was the payment for their previous sins! — Romans 6:7,23.
Where are you getting this from? Why would it say they are resurrected to "damnation" (John 5:28-29) and to "shame and everlasting contempt" if they get a chance to repent after being resurrected? Scripture never teaches such a thing.

No. There are Christ’s “brothers” (who are the chosen), and there are the “sheep” class, whom Jesus says have done good things “to” His “brothers”. - Matthew 25:31-45.
We (Christians) are all His "brothers" and His sheep.

Matthew 12:46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” 48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Notice that Jesus was talking to His disciples here, but then expanded what He was talking about it to "whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

These ones are not His brothers, but are still followers of Christ.
Nonsense.

They make up the “meek / mild tempered [who will] inherit the Earth”, as Jesus stated at Matthew 5:5. See Psalm 37:10,11,29
All who follow Christ are meek because His followers are all humble/meek servants who submit to Him.
 
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Where are you getting this from? Why would it say they are resurrected to "damnation" (John 5:28-29) and to "shame and everlasting contempt" if they get a chance to repent after being resurrected? Scripture never teaches such a thing.
Go to a Concordance and see that the word is not “damnation” but “judgment”.

Strongs defines this word as…

“κρίσις krísis, kree'-sis; decision (subjectively or objectively, for or against); by extension, a tribunal; by implication, justice (especially, divine law):—accusation, condemnation, damnation, judgment.”

This is not a resurrection to simply sentence one to punishment for all the wrongs they committed in their ignorance.….as it says in Romans 6:7….cited by @TheHC ….
”for he who has died is freed from sin.” Did you never read that? We are freed from our previous sin at death. This is why the resurrected ones will be put ‘on trial’, in a period of “judgment” so “justice” can be served. God wants to give everyone the same chance at life.

What was the highest penalty paid under God’s law? DEATH…..these ones have paid sins wages (Rom 6:23) and are resurrected now under “judgment” not condemnation…..if they have paid for their sins with their own death, that is like a man sentenced to an extended prison term, who, after he has served his time, is then able to walk free to live his life again……but unlike that prisoner, the resurrected “unrighteous“ ones were not consciously suffering in a literal prison, theirs is a prison that no one could escape from because only one person had “the keys of death and hades” (the grave) Jesus Christ. (Rev 1:18)

Freed from their prison, this is a period where they now have an opportunity to turn their life around….to accept Jesus as their savior because his death saved their lives too…even before there was any knowledge of him in the world.

So, where are these ”righteous and unrighteous“ ones resurrected from? Jesus says he calls all of these ones from their tombs……so they are all still in them….”sleeping” in death….humans going all the way back to Abel will come back to life.

Justice demands that they have an opportunity to learn about the God they never knew, and his means for their own salvation. How is that not fair?
We (Christians) are all His "brothers" and His sheep.
These “brothers of Christ” are the elect, who are supported by the sheep whilst still on earth, doing good deeds to them. (Matt 25:31-46) These “brothers“ of Christ are also “Sons of God”….
Jesus has “brothers”…..God has “sons”.

Two groups are seen in John’s Revelation…..

Rev 7:2-4; 9-10, 13-14…
”And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.”
And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: . . . . After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”. . . . Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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The ones who are “sealed” are the elect (a finite group, chosen by God who are all Israelites, (but not of the flesh)…these are Christ’s “brothers”….spiritual “Israel” (Gal 6:16) who will rule in his kingdom with him as “kings and priests” (Rev 20:6)…..but the second group is from all tribes and nations of the earth…..completely separate, pictured with palm branches in their hands signifying their peaceful condition.
These merit salvation too as those who will “inherit the earth” as Jesus said.

There are two separate groups, with two separate destinies….but God is the one who chooses where they will spend eternity. All are happy to serve God no mater where that is….there is no jealousy or rivalry among them.

There is so much detail that is missing in “church theology” that the Bible clearly states. This is why we need to study the Bible to see what all of it teaches.
Matthew 12:46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” 48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Here Jesus is speaking about relationships that his Jewish audience understood. It is the reason why we call one another “brother” and “sister” because we all have the same Father….the same “Father” that Jesus himself has. (John 20:17)
Notice that Jesus was talking to His disciples here, but then expanded what He was talking about it to "whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
The elect began to be chosen when Christ walked the earth…..prior to that no one in the Jewish understanding of Messiah’s role ever imagined that they were going to heaven….it was never mentioned.

Only with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, was this revealed to his 120 faithful disciples gathered in that upper room…..these now understood that the Kingdom would rule from heaven over redeemed mankind on earth, bringing them back to God’s first purpose for them.

Where did God create humans to live forever? Not heaven…..he created the earth for us, and we for the earth. In the creation account, there is no mention of death except as a punishment for disobedience.
Gen 3:22-24 tells us what happened then.
All who follow Christ are meek because His followers are all humble/meek servants who submit to Him.
Meekness is a quality that Jesus looks for in his disciples and at the time of his choosing his apostles, the very Jewish trait of self importance was a hard lesson for them to overcome. They constantly argued over ‘who among them was the greatest’…..by the time he left the earthly scene that trait was vanquished.

But if the “meek” are going to “inherit the earth”, then who goes to heaven? If those who are taken to heaven are to be “kings and priests”….who then are their subjects? For whom do they act as priests if not the redeemed sinners who will be brought back to sinless perfection during the thousand years of Kingdom rule.
It is all designed to take us back to God’s first purpose for the human race……what was that?
Can you tell us?
 
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At what time was that recorded? To whom was it written? It was to Christians in the first century.
Any who have knowledge of Jesus Christ and his message of salvation are judged by him as to how they respond to his message. (Matt 10:11-14) People in this time period will have no excuse. Like Judaism, Christianity was at first localized to one people, in one nation…..but when Christ came and offered his life, Christianity was to spread out into “the entire inhabited earth”…..there would be no excuses for ignorance after that. (Matt 24:14) Who today have not heard the Christian message? Who will be able to say to the judge….“no one told me I had choices”?

But before that when people had no knowledge of Christ and his sacrifice, why would God not give them a second chance….does he not want “all to receive salvation”? Is that justice?……to be convicted of a crime you did not commit except in ignorance. Those who sinned in ignorance way before God gave his law cannot be convicted and sentenced without first being given opportunity to change their ways. Repentance is all God requires. He has no need to take life unless someone has committed a crime…..if there was no law, there was no crime. Is God unjust?

The “unrighteous” are raised to “judgment” not “condemnation” unless they fail to repent.
Look up the meaning of those words in Greek. No one is condemned unless their conduct warrants it. You cannot break a law that does not exist.

People do get second chances…..look at Manasseh…..and King David. Both deserved the death penalty for their crimes, but God spared their lives and forgave them because they repented.
WOOO hoooo oh Jane. Calling Dearest Aunty JW Jane---am I back on your shun list? Shall I make that thread that I spoke of? Why did you ignore me again? Are you afraid that I will show people what JWs really teach about the atonement?
TheHC is welcome to come along for the fun. She always does. You guys like to travel in packs.. :shockedx

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All who follow Christ are meek because His followers are all humble/meek servants who submit to Him.
We all should try to be meek, shouldn’t we?
But that wasn’t really my point…

These meek ones (at Matthew 5:5) will “inherit the earth.” And that “the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.” “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.” Psalm 37:11,29.

Your quote from Daniel 12, about those who will be resurrected “to everlasting contempt”, is informing us that those won’t learn meekness (they won’t truly conform their lives), so they will be judged adversely during Christ’s thousand year reign, & will ultimately be “consumed”, ie., destroyed. — Revelation 20:7-9

(Notice the “earth” is mentioned, twice: “those nations in the four corners of the earth”, & “the whole earth.”)

Revelation 21:3,4 says God’s “tent is with mankind.” Mankind are people on this planet.
 

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I believe in Jesus he knew what he was doing I completely trust in him.It just feels he will have enough Love for all in the end how ever it works out.It is what I believe I am just a too christian christian.