Co- Redemptrix

[BreadOfLife]

Whoa.
You just said two different things:

First you said:
We are incorporated into the Body of Christ at Baptism.
This is a Catholic teaching that YOU seem to be ignorant of.

THEN you said:
I never said that ALL those who are baptized remain in the body.
Everybosy has a free will - to either stay or leave.

So, which is it:
We are incorporated into the Body of Christ at Baptism
OR
One does not have to stay there...?

I didn't say two different things here.
Unless you believe in Once Saved Always Saved and deny that we have free will - you can understand that we can be members of the Body of Christ and later, choose to leave it.

BTW, why do catholics baptize babies?

This, to me is a frightening question because you claim to have been a catechist - and you should have known this when you were teaching.

Infant Baptism is a Sacred Tradition handed down by the Apostles. We see this in the writings of the Early Church Fathers.
In the New Testament, we see that Peter baptized Cornelius - and his ENTIRE household based on the faith of Cornelius. We see the SAME thing when Paul baptized the ENTIRE households of Stephanas and the Philippian Jailer.

Entire households included children of ALL ages. Baptism replaces circumcision of the flesh, which was done to infant boys based on the faith of their parents.

Anyway - that is the short answer.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Okay weasel, I answered your question on Mary not being in the catechism.
Now answer my question; Are you the righteousness of God?

Name-calling is against the forum rules, so I would suggest you stop before you get banned.

As for your lie about the Catholic Church teaching that Mary should be "worshiped" - you never answered WHY you made this false claim. Why do you keep lying when you know you are going to be exposed for it??

Finally, to answer your question - no, I am not the "righteousness of God".
HE is truly righteous, I am not - and neither are you . . .

 

[Helen]

according to the word....we are being made in His image as we stay under the shadow of His wing...Abiding in the faith:-
2 Cor. 5
21 "For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

 

[GodsGrace]

I didn't say two different things here.
Unless you believe in Once Saved Always Saved and deny that we have free will - you can understand that we can be members of the Body of Christ and later, choose to leave it.


This, to me is a frightening question because you claim to have been a catechist - and you should have known this when you were teaching.

Infant Baptism is a Sacred Tradition handed down by the Apostles. We see this in the writings of the Early Church Fathers.
In the New Testament, we see that Peter baptized Cornelius - and his ENTIRE household based on the faith of Cornelius. We see the SAME thing when Paul baptized the ENTIRE households of Stephanas and the Philippian Jailer.

Entire households included children of ALL ages. Baptism replaces circumcision of the flesh, which was done to infant boys based on the faith of their parents.

Anyway - that is the short answer.

Have you not noticed yet that I know the answer to every question I ask??
Yes. Please let's have the long version.
And I'm so tired of hearing about Cornelius.
And I know SOME of the ECF liked batpizing babies.

So if a baby is batpized, and they become 13 years old, and they die, do they go to heaven because they were baptized?
This gives a false sense of security.
I DO believe in loss of salvation, that's why babies should NOT be baptized.

And for the record, I AM NO LONGER CATHOLIC.
Please make a note of that.
And please answser the question without demeaning the person asking it.

It's very difficult to have a civil conversation with you.

 

[GodsGrace]

Name-calling is against the forum rules, so I would suggest you stop before you get banned.

As for your lie about the Catholic Church teaching that Mary should be "worshiped" - you never answered WHY you made this false claim. Why do you keep lying when you know you are going to be exposed for it??

Finally, to answer your question - no, I am not the "righteousness of God".
HE is truly righteous, I am not - and neither are you . . .

Name calling is against forum rules?
One could be banned?
Well, by golly, YOU should have been banned with your first post calling me a LIAR. Which is truly despicable. AND, you continue to do this.

Mathew 7:1-5

 

[Helen]

Name calling is against forum rules?
One could be banned?
Well, by golly, YOU should have been banned with your first post calling me a LIAR. Which is truly despicable. AND, you continue to do this.

Mathew 7:1-5

Hah! I just went and read the rules again after reading that post...and I copied and pasted a part of it into the thread- "REAL CHRISTIANS"
I started that thread back when one guy kept saying to me and others.. "Your not a real Christian" whenever we didn't agree with him ( he's gone now..maybe because of the Forum Rules!)

Fun eh! :)

 

[mjrhealth]

Well, by golly, YOU should have been banned with your first post calling me a LIAR. Which is truly despicable. AND, you continue to do this.

You left out everyone else. Like you bit confused how one can expose someones lies if they are not lying????

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

according to the word....we are being made in His image as we stay under the shadow of His wing...Abiding in the faith:-
2 Cor. 5
21 "For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

You took the verse right out of my mouth.
I can see you are a real student of the Bible.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Name-calling is against the forum rules, so I would suggest you stop before you get banned.

As for your lie about the Catholic Church teaching that Mary should be "worshiped" - you never answered WHY you made this false claim. Why do you keep lying when you know you are going to be exposed for it??

Finally, to answer your question - no, I am not the "righteousness of God".
HE is truly righteous, I am not - and neither are you . . .

Okay Breadman, we just proved you don't know Scripture, so let's see how well you know the catechism.
ANSWER POST #300!

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

dictionary; weasel; someone who lies; someone who evades.
Since this word is a noun, do you think it is a name for breadman or rather a title?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Okay Breadman, we just proved you don't know Scripture, so let's see how well you know the catechism.
ANSWER POST #300!

Really??
How did you "prove" that I don't know Scripture??

Secondly - here is your text from post #300:
1. Roman catholics worship the pope.
Actually, this is a LIE. We ONLY worship God.

2. They get down on their knees before him and kiss his ring. That is worship of the man.
First of all - nobody is required to fall to their knees and kiss his ring. HOWEVER - this is not "worship", any more than falling to your knees to propose to your girlfriend is, then kissing her hand as many of us do.

How is that not "worship" - but doing the same thing for the Pope IS worship??

3. They worship him so much, they call him "Holy Father". I wonder what God thinks of that?
Which part of that title do you think is an offense to God?? The "Holy" part - or the "Father" part??
First of all - we are ALL called to be "holy" (1 Pet. 1:15), which simply means "set apart".

Secondly - Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
St. Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
St. Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
John refers to his congregation as HIS "CHILDREN" (1 John 2:1).

So, tell me, spark - what part of the title "Holy Father" is an offense to God??
All you've "proven" is your ignorance of Catholic teaching and of Scripture.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Have you not noticed yet that I know the answer to every question I ask??
Yes. Please let's have the long version.
And I'm so tired of hearing about Cornelius.
And I know SOME of the ECF liked batpizing babies.

So if a baby is batpized, and they become 13 years old, and they die, do they go to heaven because they were baptized?
This gives a false sense of security.
I DO believe in loss of salvation, that's why babies should NOT be baptized.

And for the record, I AM NO LONGER CATHOLIC.
Please make a note of that.
And please answser the question without demeaning the person asking it.

It's very difficult to have a civil conversation with you.

First of all - I never accused you of being Catholic.
In fact, I have pretty much proven that you never really understood the Catholic faith at all. I believe that you may have been baptized - but that is all you got from the Church.

Secondly - I don't care if you're "tired" of hearing about Cornelius. It is a Biblical fact that his entire household was baptized based on HIS faith.

As for the Early Church Fathers - YOU said that "some" of them "liked" to baptize babies. WRONG.
They were UNANIMOUS on their teachings about Infant Baptism. The ONLY debate they had on the matter was WHEN to baptize an infant.
30 days?
8 days?
Immediately after birth?

As a matter of fact - there is not ONE writing from the Early Church that condemned this practice because it was unanimously practiced. Under the OLD Covenant - babies were circumcised based on the faith of their parents - NOT their own faith. The same is true for Baptism under the NEW Covenant. This is why Jesus forbade the Apostles from forbidding the children to draw near to Him (Matt. 9:14).

Finally - to answer your last question about Eternal Security - the Church has NEVER taught this false Calvinist belief. This is a heresy from the Protestant Revolt 16th century.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Name calling is against forum rules?
One could be banned?
Well, by golly, YOU should have been banned with your first post calling me a LIAR. Which is truly despicable. AND, you continue to do this.

Mathew 7:1-5

Again - what is truly despicable is your constant LYING.
If you can show me ONE post where I called you a "Liar" - I will leave this forum today. That's a guarantee.

If not - then apologize for lying again . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

dictionary; weasel; someone who lies; someone who evades.
Since this word is a noun, do you think it is a name for breadman or rather a title?

Since I've never lied on this form - it would be inappropriate to call me that name.

 

[Richard_oti]

Where should I have inserted it?

Beats me! My creativity is lacking this evening, so I am unable to come up anything.

 

[aspen]

Just because one does not acknowledge a behavior does not mean they do not engage in the behavior.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hah! I just went and read the rules again after reading that post...and I copied and pasted a part of it into the thread- "REAL CHRISTIANS"
I started that thread back when one guy kept saying to me and others.. "Your not a real Christian" whenever we didn't agree with him ( he's gone now..maybe because of the Forum Rules!)

Fun eh! :)

Right. How does anyone have the nerve to say to another they aren't a real Christian? I'm not even very sure what that means. You're either a Christian or you're not...
AND ONLY GOD knows for sure !
Personal stuff gets in the way of a good conversation.
But I think we're pretty good here on this forum.
On another forum I was told I was going to hell because I believe in works. NOT WORKS SALVATION. Maybe we could do a thread on that?
Anyway, yes, I agree with you.

 

[GodsGrace]

You left out everyone else. Like you bit confused how one can expose someones lies if they are not lying????

You don't say someone is lying because they DON'T AGREE with you.
You tell me you disagree and continue with the conversation.
Because I believe something different than you DOES NOT mean I'M lying.

You see?

A lie is when you PURPOSEFULLY post an untruth.
You might even THINK something is true when in reality it isn't.
You NEVER call a person a liar.

 

[GodsGrace]

Really??
How did you "prove" that I don't know Scripture??

Secondly - here is your text from post #300:
1. Roman catholics worship the pope.
Actually, this is a LIE. We ONLY worship God.

2. They get down on their knees before him and kiss his ring. That is worship of the man.
First of all - nobody is required to fall to their knees and kiss his ring. HOWEVER - this is not "worship", any more than falling to your knees to propose to your girlfriend is, then kissing her hand as many of us do.

How is that not "worship" - but doing the same thing for the Pope IS worship??

3. They worship him so much, they call him "Holy Father". I wonder what God thinks of that?
Which part of that title do you think is an offense to God?? The "Holy" part - or the "Father" part??
First of all - we are ALL called to be "holy" (1 Pet. 1:15), which simply means "set apart".

Secondly - Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
St. Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
St. Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
John refers to his congregation as HIS "CHILDREN" (1 John 2:1).

So, tell me, spark - what part of the title "Holy Father" is an offense to God??
All you've "proven" is your ignorance of Catholic teaching and of Scripture.

Face it BoL
It does seem to be worship.
Anything that takes the attention away from Jesus is idolatry.
I walk into some homes here in Italy and see pictures of the POPE on walls instead of pictures of JESUS.

You live in the CCC, which I've taught BTW, BUT, you don't seem to be able to leave your comfy home and face up to the REAL world.

How many times AT MASS have you heard your priest say NOT to pray to Mary as if to God? And don't give me the intercession bit please.
I happen to already know any answer you could give me.

Perception is half the war.
1 Thessalonians 5:22
"abstain from any appearance of evil".

For instance, find out about remarrieds receiving communion and quit spewing out the word LIAR. Maybe you could talk to your local friendly parish priest??

 

[GodsGrace]

Again - what is truly despicable is your constant LYING.
If you can show me ONE post where I called you a "Liar" - I will leave this forum today. That's a guarantee.

If not - then apologize for lying again . . .

Ummmmm.
THIS POST.

(and almost every other one)