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Knowing we ought to do good and not evil justifies no man with God.
Yeah, this has nothing to do with being justified. This has to do with whether or not your life signifies the grace of God is in you conforming you to the image of Christ. Those who show they are being conformed show they belong to God as his sons and daughters in salvation. Just as not being conformed, ultimately, shows you do not belong to God as a son or daughter in salvation. Kids tend to look more and more like their dad as they grow up...if they really belong to their dad.
 

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And that is the danger of this new OSAS in the church these days (as opposed to Calvin's OSAS). The new OSAS teaches people in the church that a lifestyle of unrepentant sin doesn't matter, because salvation is not by works. The old OSAS, Calvin's OSAS, taught that your lifestyle of sin showed you were never really saved to begin with.

The old OSAS, Calvin's OSAS, taught that your lifestyle of sin showed you were never really saved to begin with.

Which is the poison seed that led to the filthy degeneration of generations believing it.

No man believing he is saved, ever believes he only thinks he is saved, and so even sinners believing they are saved, do not believe 'not really was saved' will ever apply to them, no matter being committed to sinning again and again, nor how far into sin they go, because once OSAS unconditional salvation by faith only is in the heart, they will always believe they shall be saved in the end.

The old school Baptist doctrine of OSAS is the same: If one is 'really' saved, then that one will not continue sinning again and again.

The simplicity of Scripture is this: the obedient believer of Jesus and doer of His word have no more commitment to sin again and cannot do so, while the uncommitted agreer with Jesus that tries to do His will, is still committed to sinning again and will do so.

It's all a matter commitment by the faith of Jesus in Scripture, or the faith of man in their own minds.
 
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Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Firstly, saints born of God and committed to loving Him with all the heart, know they cannot commit sin and still love God.

Secondly, Saints know they cannot commit sin and still be justified with God.

Saints are therefore committed to sin no more, to continue loving God and remain justified with God, and sinners are committed to sin some, thinking they still love God and are justified with Him.
 
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Struggling with sin signifies one's desire to not live in it, but rather to live in righteousness.

Before I got saved, righteousness was the alien thing that invaded my life and which I struggle with. After I got saved, sin became the alien thing that invaded my life and which I struggled with.

"In your struggle against sin..." Hebrews 12:4
And no more invasion of sin, by overcoming it at the door?

And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
 

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The old OSAS, Calvin's OSAS, taught that your lifestyle of sin showed you were never really saved to begin with.

Which is the poison seed that led to the filthy degeneration of generations believing it.
We are in the end of times. It's all downhill from here.
 

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Yeah, this has nothing to do with being justified. This has to do with whether or not your life signifies the grace of God is in you conforming you to the image of Christ. Those who show they are being conformed show they belong to God as his sons and daughters in salvation. Just as not being conformed, ultimately, shows you do not belong to God as a son or daughter in salvation. Kids tend to look more and more like their dad as they grow up...if they really belong to their dad.
Yeah, this has nothing to do with being justified.

Committing sin or not has everything to do with being justified with God by works or not.

God's sons are only those committed to not sinning again, and know if they do so, they are not justified with their Father, when they do so.

No son of God is committed to sinning again, believing he will, because he does not believe the Scripture to not do so again.
 

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Yeah, this has nothing to do with being justified.

Committing sin or not has everything to do with being justified with God by works or not.
I meant in regard to how Paul uses the word 'justified'. In that usage, what you do, or don't do, has no bearing on obtaining the righteousness that is from God. We are made righteous entirely on the basis of faith in God's forgiveness (that forgiveness wiping away our unrighteousness). But in regard to how James uses the word 'justified', yes, what you do, or don't do, shows whether or not you are righteous in God. Works do indeed justify us that way.
 

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I meant in regard to how Paul uses the word 'justified'. In that usage, what you do, or don't do, has no bearing on obtaining the righteousness that is from God. We are made righteous entirely on the basis of faith in God's forgiveness (that forgiveness wiping away our unrighteousness). But in regard to how James uses the word 'justified', yes, what you do, or don't do, shows whether or not you are righteous in God. Works do indeed justify us that way.
True, we begin anew by faith and remain anew by works.

Both salvation and justification are by grace, even as both believing and obeying are by grace.

There is never one without the other with God.

By grace we commit to both at the same time, and never believe the lie that one can ever be without the other.
 

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But the depts of that statement from Scriptures will not get through to you if you don't listen to Him!!

The simple fact of not addressing the point is not getting through to you.

Like Paul, you understand more and more that you are doing the very thing you don't want. You become more and more aware of the principle that evil is present in you.

Unlike Paul, you seek no deliverance from wretched double mindedness, but are convinced of the lie to continue that way for life.

Your commitment to sin is unto death.

There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

The "point" of the Scriptures is that we need to know Jesus Christ. Like getting to know anyone, that happens by spending time, and that means time in conversation back and forth, with Him. That has gotten through to me, but what about you?

If you indeed spend time with Him you find out that He reproves you, because He reproves those He loves. Thus He teaches us personally, and gives us personal counselling, and wisdom also. And that comes with love because He is love.

Yet if a person has been reproved by Him, they become aware of the depts of Jesus Christ. They become aware how far they are from being Him, the righteous One. Now you also become aware of His forgiveness of our sin! It is the forgiveness of sin that enables us to be considered by Him as being righteous. If you listen to Him you would be aware of Him counted you as His student, His child, and even His bride, so you are not counted as a criminal who has broken the Law. Yet that does not make you righteous in deed, but it only makes you a child of God. So while He does not count you as unrighteous, but rather as a student learning from Him; you still clearly understand that you have the presence of evil in you, and that you do what you do not want to do. That knowledge leads you to becoming better, but it does not lead you to start thinking you are the righteous One. You are still a sinner desprately in need of our Saviour who is Jesus (God's salvation).

Therefore you can not help but seek Jesus Christ more and more - which is not what you have concluded - which is that a person knowing Jesus Christ who is the Light of this world who showed you, like He did Paul, that there is evil (sin, demons, those dark forces you battle with) present in you.

He is not going to lose anyone who has indeed come to know Him, if for no other reason than they who have truly come to know Him have to seek Him because He is the Light of this world. He gives us eyes to see and ears to hear, making us aware of what is going on around us, which helps us turn from it, but does not release us from sin but causes us to battle with sin.

The person like Saul, that Pharisee we read about in the Bible, searches the Scriptures thinking in them they have eternal life. They think they don't sin, but have over come sin by their good works. The battle to them is not inside them, but is with those demons inside other people, because they have deceived themselves into thinking they are now the righteous one. Their "Religion" (which is their understanding of God, and not His understanding of Himself with He speaks to believers) has let them down. Many call "their religion" Christianity, but true Christianity is not about our "Religion" (Our understanding of God) but Christianity is a relationship with the living Word of God (Jesus Chirsty) We walk with Him and we talk with Him and He tells us we are His own.

Jesus Christ is my Lord - because He tells me things to do every day called "Today". What is amazing is that He still loves me when I do such a poor job of doing what He tells me. I want to do a better job of doing what I hear Him ask of me, but I get side tracked. I wind up saying the wrong words to others, when I know that being perfect means doing and even saying only what God tells me to say. Never-the-less, He tells me to go again and tell people about Him, so that they might start seeking Him.

Yet they don't. They find excuses to not actually seek Him. He told me it would be like that. He specifically went over Ezekiel 3 with me, and personalize it by speaking to me as I read saying, "Karl, I am not sending you to people of difficult speech, but I am sending you to those who should listen to you, but they will not be willing to listen to you because they are not willing to listen to Me..."

Ezek 3:4 -8 Then He said to me, “Son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak with My words to them. “For you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel, nor to many peoples of unintelligible speech or difficult language, whose words you cannot understand. But I have sent you to them who should listen to you; yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate. “Behold, I have made your face as hard as their faces and your forehead as hard as their foreheads.

The message I have is that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, which means you need to listen to Him! Yet though Christians are supposed to be those grafted into the Jewish root, they often to grow in Him, and that is because they don't listen to Him. If they grow in Him they become aware of the battle that takes place in them, so they do indeed battle with those dark spiritual forces. You will realize that you are not perfect just forgiven, which is something else I have seen on some Christian license plates. Still - there are those Pharisees of today, thinking that they have become perfect. Clearly they are not being reproved by Him. Clearly they don't repeat. Clearly they don't pray the Lord's prayer asking Him to forgive us, whenever they get into that place with God.

Yet with that hard head that God gave me, I keep on saying they need to start listening to Him. Maybe, just maybe it will occur to one of them that they actually need to really seek the Lord Jesus Christ and turn to Him. Maybe someone will listen to me saying listen to Him, even if that someone is me it was worth while saying it again. That is the point!!!
 

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This is powerful. What am I committed to? I'm examining myself.

I want only to be committed to God, not to allowing sin in my life.

It's not when I sin but if I sin.

Thank you.
 

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Psalm 119:11 Thy Word have I hid in mine heart that I might not sin against thee.
 
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Psalm 119:11 Thy Word have I hid in mine heart that I might not sin against thee.
And there you have it. The simplicity of Scripture is as simple as Christ Jesus and Him crucified to save us from our sins.

My heart is fixed, O God, my heart is fixed: I will sing and give praise.

When we commit to obeying God in the heart, we are committing to not sinning with the flesh.

That is the commitment of heart that no Christian sinners even thinks to make, because they refuse to believe it is even possible not to sin.

All things are possible with God, except not sinning.

It is not by chance that Christian sinners never speak of doing His righteousness, nor of obedience to the faith, and the only time they speak of not sinning is that is impossible to do in this life.

How impossible is it not to do something?

They are all about doing good things 'naturally', 'showing' fruit, and knowing they will also be sinning in the meantime, which is the only real commitment that have.

They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
 
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The "point" of the Scriptures is that we need to know Jesus Christ. Like getting to know anyone, that happens by spending time, and that means time in conversation back and forth, with Him. That has gotten through to me, but what about you?

If you indeed spend time with Him you find out that He reproves you, because He reproves those He loves. Thus He teaches us personally, and gives us personal counselling, and wisdom also. And that comes with love because He is love.

Yet if a person has been reproved by Him, they become aware of the depts of Jesus Christ. They become aware how far they are from being Him, the righteous One. Now you also become aware of His forgiveness of our sin! It is the forgiveness of sin that enables us to be considered by Him as being righteous. If you listen to Him you would be aware of Him counted you as His student, His child, and even His bride, so you are not counted as a criminal who has broken the Law. Yet that does not make you righteous in deed, but it only makes you a child of God. So while He does not count you as unrighteous, but rather as a student learning from Him; you still clearly understand that you have the presence of evil in you, and that you do what you do not want to do. That knowledge leads you to becoming better, but it does not lead you to start thinking you are the righteous One. You are still a sinner desprately in need of our Saviour who is Jesus (God's salvation).

Therefore you can not help but seek Jesus Christ more and more - which is not what you have concluded - which is that a person knowing Jesus Christ who is the Light of this world who showed you, like He did Paul, that there is evil (sin, demons, those dark forces you battle with) present in you.

He is not going to lose anyone who has indeed come to know Him, if for no other reason than they who have truly come to know Him have to seek Him because He is the Light of this world. He gives us eyes to see and ears to hear, making us aware of what is going on around us, which helps us turn from it, but does not release us from sin but causes us to battle with sin.

The person like Saul, that Pharisee we read about in the Bible, searches the Scriptures thinking in them they have eternal life. They think they don't sin, but have over come sin by their good works. The battle to them is not inside them, but is with those demons inside other people, because they have deceived themselves into thinking they are now the righteous one. Their "Religion" (which is their understanding of God, and not His understanding of Himself with He speaks to believers) has let them down. Many call "their religion" Christianity, but true Christianity is not about our "Religion" (Our understanding of God) but Christianity is a relationship with the living Word of God (Jesus Chirsty) We walk with Him and we talk with Him and He tells us we are His own.

Jesus Christ is my Lord - because He tells me things to do every day called "Today". What is amazing is that He still loves me when I do such a poor job of doing what He tells me. I want to do a better job of doing what I hear Him ask of me, but I get side tracked. I wind up saying the wrong words to others, when I know that being perfect means doing and even saying only what God tells me to say. Never-the-less, He tells me to go again and tell people about Him, so that they might start seeking Him.

Yet they don't. They find excuses to not actually seek Him. He told me it would be like that. He specifically went over Ezekiel 3 with me, and personalize it by speaking to me as I read saying, "Karl, I am not sending you to people of difficult speech, but I am sending you to those who should listen to you, but they will not be willing to listen to you because they are not willing to listen to Me..."

Ezek 3:4 -8 Then He said to me, “Son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak with My words to them. “For you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel, nor to many peoples of unintelligible speech or difficult language, whose words you cannot understand. But I have sent you to them who should listen to you; yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate. “Behold, I have made your face as hard as their faces and your forehead as hard as their foreheads.

The message I have is that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, which means you need to listen to Him! Yet though Christians are supposed to be those grafted into the Jewish root, they often to grow in Him, and that is because they don't listen to Him. If they grow in Him they become aware of the battle that takes place in them, so they do indeed battle with those dark spiritual forces. You will realize that you are not perfect just forgiven, which is something else I have seen on some Christian license plates. Still - there are those Pharisees of today, thinking that they have become perfect. Clearly they are not being reproved by Him. Clearly they don't repeat. Clearly they don't pray the Lord's prayer asking Him to forgive us, whenever they get into that place with God.

Yet with that hard head that God gave me, I keep on saying they need to start listening to Him. Maybe, just maybe it will occur to one of them that they actually need to really seek the Lord Jesus Christ and turn to Him. Maybe someone will listen to me saying listen to Him, even if that someone is me it was worth while saying it again. That is the point!!!
The "point" of the Scriptures is that we need to know Jesus Christ.

And so, you prefer mantra to addressing the point of Scripture made here: committing a sin is commitment to sinning.

Yet that does not make you righteous in deed, but it only makes you a child of God.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

There is no little child of God that is not righteous.

They think they don't sin, but have over come sin by their good works.

Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by shewing mercy to the poor; if it may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity.

A sinner such as yourself cannot possibly know what the righteous saints think. Except to lie about what you think they think.

So while He does not count you as unrighteous, but rather as a student learning from Him.

And so, being neither righteous nor unrighteous, but a student learning how to be in between: welcome to the school of the lukewarm for the perpetually double minded.

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Christian sinners are those who do good and evil. And they learn to justify it by melting Scripture into a philosophic hodgepodge of making wretched double mindedness into a never-ending 'learning' experience.

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Know one knows the truth of being free indeed for all sins and trespasses, until they do it, and quit learning how to be double minded about it, with 'grace'.

Self-justifying words will not justify any man in his commitment to sinning by still sinning, even a bunch of flowery ones.

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
 

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The lie against I John is that committing sin is not of the devil, but only being committed to sin, which is not what Scripture says.

He that commits sin is of the devil, while committing the sin.

Christians do the same things as natural men at times.


I.e. Christian sinners commit and will continue to commit sin, which is the very definition of being committed to sin.

They say they are not committed to sin in life, and then declare they will commit sin throughout life.

Normal hypocrites say one thing and do another, but the delusionally blind say they are not one thing by definition, and then define their deeds and themselves as that very thing.

The produce a strict definition of being of the devil, and then acknowledge they are that very definition in life.