Conjecture

[Nancy]

It certainly related to the human condition in general which may include you, but specifics about you are not seen by just anyone who is reading or studying the scriptures. You may see yourself in them or God may show someone a particular relating to you for a specific purpose... but this would be a function of the Holy Spirit working in you or such other person. If it is done through another person and you need to know about it, likely God will soon enough let you know about it as well.

Thanks John, I see now that it was meant personally, not in general

 

[Waiting on him]

Opinion? The bible states that salvation ultimately is based on obedience. Whatever opinion you may entertain that goes contrary to that...well is your opinion. No one is going to be judged by their beliefs. Just their works that are of obedience to God's will...whether they realize they are pleasing to God or not.

So if you are truly the overseer, sent from God it should be no problem to give me a list of these works

 

[Enoch111]

Because people have replaced actual faith and knowledge of God with conjecture.

And your brand of theology is purely conjectural, so what is the point? Also your fundamental premise is seriously flawed.

 

[Episkopos]

So if you are truly the overseer, sent from God it should be no problem to give me a list of these works

You can't make a law out of grace....since living from the heart does not produce laundry lists.

 

[Episkopos]

And your brand of theology is purely conjectural, so what is the point? Also your fundamental premise is seriously flawed.

Only in an upside down conjectural world....is what I'm saying pure conjecture. But that is because you are unable to reason due to a religious indoctrination that replaces any kind of spiritual reasoning. A human interpretation takes away the possibility of an actual understanding of God. That is the true replacement theology. Exchanging the living God for a concept of God that brings no life...just beliefs about God. When the concepts line up with a previous human conditioning...these are accepted as truth.

And all of this without any actual contact with God or His life. And once any kind of expectation of an actual encounter with God is done away with...then all appears as normal. It's just religious business as usual. No questions asked. The real God can in no way disturb the proceedings.

And the people love to have it so. Religious certainty trumps the risky unknown grace of God.

 

[Enoch111]

Religious certainty trumps the risky unknown grace of God.

The Bible does not say that the grace of God is unknown or risky. Quite the opposite. So this is more evidence of your conjectural theology.

TITUS 2
11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

 

[Stranger]

Opinion? The bible states that salvation ultimately is based on obedience. Whatever opinion you may entertain that goes contrary to that...well is your opinion. No one is going to be judged by their beliefs. Just their works that are of obedience to God's will...whether they realize they are pleasing to God or not.

But...that is just your conjecture.

Stranger

 

[aspen]

All we have is our opinion

 

[Episkopos]

All we have is our opinion

That is until we encounter the living God. His presence eliminates all conjectures. The NT is based on this visitation and inspection (episkopay) ....and empowerment (grace) ...from God. All else is opinion and speculation.

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus bids us seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness.

Now they who have entered (been translated) into the kingdom of God know this as a "prepared in advance" walk in the spiritual realm in Zion. A place of victory over sin, the devil, and the world. This will appear as speculative by all who have not been there, of course. So people will formulate their own ideas about the kingdom of God...none of which provide the overcoming power that Jesus walked in.

What is even less understood is what Jesus means about seeking the righteousness of God. What this doesn't mean is that we can claim our very own righteousness of God...for ourselves. No, that righteousness is never our own...it is always His. So people will confuse the righteousness of faith...which only God can declare by HIS righteousness....for they who serve God that do miraculous and holy things by His righteousness on them.

The bible helps us with this by it's testimony.

We see Peter being a witness to God's righteousness when he declares "Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him."

We also see Peter as an active participant in God's righteousness when he pronounces the death sentence on Ananias and Sapphira. To speak as the oracle of God like that the righteousness of God would have to have come upon Peter thus causing him to speak from God's holy judgment.

How do we know that Peter spoke from God? The accused fell down dead.

So then it will always come down to this...those who believe the power comes from God...or the exact opposite...they who believe it was the power of the devil. So unless one submits to the faith of Christ when a prophet speaks...they will find themselves declaring what is of God to be of the devil. The NT ups the ante whereby we are either with the Lord or against Him.

In that case it is..."whoever doesn't gather with Me, scatters abroad" IOW...doing the work of the devil. Humility and the fear of the Lord however, will preserve people from condemning themselves in what they can perceive with a human belief.

 

[aspen]

That is until we encounter the living God. His presence eliminates all conjectures. The NT is based on this visitation and inspection (episkopay) ....and empowerment (grace) ...from God. All else is opinion and speculation.

Um....except that all we still have is our opinion about our encounter with the living God

 

[Episkopos]

Um....except that all we still have is our opinion about our encounter with the living God

It is the opinion of others about a testimony of the person with a real encounter from God. How did Moses know he was encountering God in the burning bush experience? How did Stephen know he wasn't hallucinating when he was allowed to see into the 3rd heaven?


Speculation about an encounter with God only exists in they who have not ever had such an encounter.

Why does so much of the Christian experience rely on faith I wonder?

Are you an advocate of an agnosticism to a real relationship with God?

 

[Episkopos]

Speculation (and conjecture) in our time has not just replaced faith, but also humility and the fear of the Lord. We don't have to have an opinion on everything after all. We will be judged by our words....how glibly we spoke about things we don't understand. How we took the Lord's name in vain without a second thought.

We tend to take liberties for ourselves that would have been shocking to the ears of people even just a century ago.
Just look at how much worse movies and television are today compared with the 50's and 60's. Look at the liberties the media take with bad language, nudity and blasphemy. The lack of respect and honour in people nowadays.

Is this not reflected in the modern church culture? Or is it the other way around? How responsible is the church for things getting out of hand in the world?

I leave it to you to decide which took place first...the subversion of truth in the church...or the corruption increase in the world we see today.

Who is influencing whom?

Of course this will not affect those who selfishly claim peace and safety for themselves. These look only towards their own salvation. No light there.

Can the devil move his darkness agenda forward in the world if the church is functioning as the light of the world as it is supposed to?

Can we feign ignorance about this?

 

[Waiting on him]

And your brand of theology is purely conjectural, so what is the point? Also your fundamental premise is seriously flawed.

I believe a better word would be sophistry.

 

[Stranger]

@Episkopos

You are off base on your whole idea of 'conjecture'. The Bible is not conjecture. It is Truth. Contrary to what you claim, the Bible is sufficient for all the believer's needs. (2 Tim. 3:16)

Your wrong view of the Bible has led you off into a field of confusion. Hope you find your way back.

Stranger

 

[Episkopos]

@Episkopos

You are off base on your whole idea of 'conjecture'. The Bible is not conjecture. It is Truth. Contrary to what you claim, the Bible is sufficient for all the believer's needs. (2 Tim. 3:16)

Your wrong view of the Bible has led you off into a field of confusion. Hope you find your way back.

Stranger

I never said that the bible is conjecture. That is more your way of using it! An actual reading of what I wrote would reveal that conjecture is what we do regarding our own personal destiny in eternity.

Making the bible to be the truth is to misunderstand the bible...to use it improperly. By whose interpretation of the bible can the truth be understood?

The bible speaks about the truth...but the truth is alive in a person. But it takes the Spirit of truth to reveal the truth that is contained in the bible.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I believe the problem is arrogance and pride.

God has reached down into our lives and into our world to reveal Himself to us and God’s fullest revelation of Himself is in the person of Jesus Christ.

Some seem to believe this insufficient. They crave something more, something greater. They therefore create religious systems to assist their efforts as usurpers in the stead of God on their hearts throne, never realizing that Christ Himself eternally surpasses any theological system they would hold as another gospel.

God has rejected the world’s wisdom and chosen what it esteems to be foolishness.

Let us build a tower that reaches to heaven So that we can make a name for ourselves.

But God confused their language, and they stopped building.

Does God want men's constructs and theological towers?

 

[Waiting on him]

Let us build a tower that reaches to heaven So that we can make a name for ourselves.

But God confused their language, and they stopped building.

Does God want men's constructs and theological towers?

No, he does not desire they’re worthless works.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Let us build a tower that reaches to heaven So that we can make a name for ourselves.

But God confused their language, and they stopped building.

Does God want men's constructs and theological towers?

A tower is already being built up ...of God? His workmanship. Of His Hand. Ephesians 2:18-22 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. [19] Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [20] And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone ; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

1 Peter 2:6-9
[6] Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. [7] Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, [8] And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. [9] But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[Episkopos]

shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

This fits in nicely into my other recent thread entitled "The Wonders of the Kingdom of God."

How could Peter perceive how marvelous His light is without seeing it?