Creation Of Earth

[Amazing Grace]

God said, "Let there be light, and there was light" but the Sun is created on the 4th day.

"And the evening and the morning were the first day", how can there be morning if the Sun is created on the first day. Almost all people start reading the Bible on Genesis and yet there are already "hard-to-understand" verse in this chapter.

EDIT:
According to what most people say Adam existed about 6000 years ago but according to what scientist say the Sun already existed billions of years ago. So how can we solve this problem?

Personally I don't think it is my problem to solve.

 

[Duckybill]

So look at the physical evidence. The earth really is millions of years old. It was not created in six 24hr days.

Exodus 20:11 (ESV)
[sup]11 [/sup]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[aspen]

I believe the revelation of the Creation of the Earth and Sabbath took 7 days for Moses to receive. Claiming that the Earth was actually created in six days denies the reality of fossil records and geological evidence. I think it places an artificial barrier between intelligent people and Christianity. Also, why would God purposely plant evidence to mislead people, when He wants to be united with us?

 

[Etienne]

Some time ago I saw a documentary that said we are currently in the age of pisces and moving towards the age of aquarius. The documentary also blasted the viewers with 'signs' and 'proof' of these ages. with one being 2160 years long/short and also referred to as a Great Month.

With each age comes a different Savior, and the age we are in now, has the savior named Jesus.


If anyone has seen that film (cant remember the name) or any information / thoughts about this, please supply some.

 

[veteran]

Some time ago I saw a documentary that said we are currently in the age of pisces and moving towards the age of aquarius. The documentary also blasted the viewers with 'signs' and 'proof' of these ages. with one being 2160 years long/short and also referred to as a Great Month.

With each age comes a different Savior, and the age we are in now, has the savior named Jesus.


If anyone has seen that film (cant remember the name) or any information / thoughts about this, please supply some.

That's New Age occultism they're pushing. The mystical societies believe that around every 2,000 years or so, a new savior (or avatar as they would say), is born to the world. It often involves a new religion starting. It's all hogwash. The New Age folks having been pushing their ideas of new spiritual regeneration in the sign of Aquarius since the 1960's. It's all about esotericism.

If you know The Bible, then you know the Antichrist is soon to come. That's really who they are waiting for. The Antichrist is not going to be a monster, but one that is to bring all the world together in peace; a universal peace they would say. Lot of the world's leaders are into that stuff, so they're going to have problems with Christ's saints who refuse to bow to that coming religious head of theirs.

 

[Etienne]

New age.. hmm. :huh: Is this like the earth, fire, water.... people? Eish.. they are really in the deep end.

I do not want to know any more of this. Thank you for your thoughts.

 

[Guestman]

Exodus 20:11 (ESV)
[sup]11 [/sup]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Duckybill,

How long is the "day" at Genesis 2:4, that encompasses all the way back to "the beginning" of creation of the "earth and heaven" ?

 

[brionne]

Exodus 20:11 (ESV)
[sup]11 [/sup]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

and several thousand years later the Apostle Paul told Christians in that they had the opportunity to 'enter into' Gods rest day.

Hebrews 3:7 - Hebrews 4:10

So from the time of Eve's creation, until the 1st century, God was still in the same rest day. Christians were invited to enter into it. A hebrew 'yom' can mean very long lengths of time...it is the equivalent of the meaning of 'ages' in English.



and remember peters words at 2Peter 3:8

 

[Charlie]

when God began preparing the earth, the earth was completely surrounded by waters. That means it atmosphere was not clear...it was thick with vapor/cloud much like jupiters atmosphere.

Yes, but the second thing God made was a 'firmament', an expansion, 'in the midst of the waters' and 'God called the firmament heaven'.

This expansion, our lowest heaven, is what now contains the water vapor that was the result of the flood when God opened the windows of the lowest heaven at the timeof the flood, Gen. 7:11. Then 8:1-3 tell us:

]And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged; the fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; and the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

The waters that 'returned from off the earth' are the waters that now give us clouds and rain.

God Bless you. Charlie.

 

[KingdomCome]

Remember — each day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as a day. No person in the Bible is said to live a thousand years, save Christ Jesus. A thousand year period is more than any person can comprehend, therefore, no person can say how long a day with the Lord is...How long is the last day?

Why argue about it?

 

[Guestman]

Yes, but the second thing God made was a 'firmament', an expansion, 'in the midst of the waters' and 'God called the firmament heaven'.

This expansion, our lowest heaven, is what now contains the water vapor that was the result of the flood when God opened the windows of the lowest heaven at the timeof the flood, Gen. 7:11. Then 8:1-3 tell us:

]And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged; the fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; and the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

The waters that 'returned from off the earth' are the waters that now give us clouds and rain.

God Bless you. Charlie.

The word "firmament" as used by the King James Bible, comes from the Latin firmare (13th century. Via French from Latin firmamentum , from, ultimately, firmus “firm, strong", Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005), which means to give consistency, to make firm, or solid. Jerome used this expression in the Latin Vulgate in translating the Hebrew word raqia that, to the contrary, means “extended surface,” “expanse.”

According to T. Moreux, former head of Bourges Observatory, France, “this expanse, which to us constitutes heaven, is designated in the Hebrew text by a word which the [Greek] Septuagint, influenced by the cosmological ideas prevailing at the time, translated by stereoma, firmament, solid canopy. Moses transmits no such thought. The Hebrew word raqia only conveys the idea of extent or, better still, expanse.” The Bible has therefore described, most accurately, the expanse or atmosphere above us.

Thus, a modern English translation reads accurately of Genesis 1:6-8: "And God went on to say: “Let an expanse come to be in between the waters and let a dividing occur between the waters and the waters.” Then God proceeded to make the expanse and to make a division between the waters that should be beneath the expanse and the waters that should be above the expanse. And it came to be so. And God began to call the expanse Heaven. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a second day."(New World Translation)

Because Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) believed that the stars were driven into the sky like nails, this came to be the accepted view and thence the Hebrew word raqia was rendered by the Greek word stereoma, leading sincere Bible students off the accuracy that is needed to understand the Bible until these "last days" (2 Tim 3:1) when "many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge (of the Bible) will become abundant."(Dan 12:4)

 

[Duckybill]

How long is the "day" at Genesis 2:4, that encompasses all the way back to "the beginning" of creation of the "earth and heaven" ?

If you know why don't you tell us?

 

[Duckybill]

and several thousand years later the Apostle Paul told Christians in that they had the opportunity to 'enter into' Gods rest day.

Hebrews 3:7 - Hebrews 4:10

So from the time of Eve's creation, until the 1st century, God was still in the same rest day. Christians were invited to enter into it. A hebrew 'yom' can mean very long lengths of time...it is the equivalent of the meaning of 'ages' in English.

and remember peters words at 2Peter 3:8

Do you think the six day creation is too difficult for God?

 

[Guestman]

If you know why don't you tell us?

Duckybill,

You are the one asserting that the word "day" means only 24 hours, so in all fairness, please then explain the length of time involved at Genesis 2:4 when it said: "This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven."

 

[Duckybill]

How anyone can read Genesis 1 and get anything other that a literal six day creation is truly amazing.

Genesis 1:3-5 (ESV)
[sup]3 [/sup]And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. [sup]4 [/sup]And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. [sup]5 [/sup]God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

Genesis 1:8 (ESV)
[sup]8 [/sup]And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

Genesis 1:13 (ESV) [sup]
13 [/sup]And there was evening and there was morning, the third day.

Genesis 1:19 (ESV)
[sup]19 [/sup]And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.

Genesis 1:23 (ESV)
[sup]23 [/sup]And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.

Genesis 1:31 (ESV)
[sup]31 [/sup]And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

Genesis 2:1-3 (ESV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [sup]2 [/sup]And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. [sup]3 [/sup]So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Exodus 20:11 (ESV)
[sup]11 [/sup]For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[aspen]

How anyone can read Genesis 1 and get anything other that a literal six day creation is truly amazing.

Not as amazing as watching you perform the mental gymnastics required to interpret the entire Bible in the most literal manner possible.

 

[Duckybill]

Not as amazing as watching you perform the mental gymnastics required to interpret the entire Bible in the most literal manner possible.

If you don't go for the literal you create your own false god, who is in reality Satan.

 

[Duckybill]

Not as amazing as watching you perform the mental gymnastics required to interpret the entire Bible in the most literal manner possible.

Gymnastics is a very good word to describe how you reject the perfectly clear and literal English Bibles we have. I don't have to resort to 'gymnastics'. I just take it clear, simple and miraculous as God presents it.

 

[KingdomCome]

Come on you guys and gals,

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Is Christ Jesus the "beginning"?

Does all of creation reside in, inside of, within, Christ Jesus?

Then what does "In the beginning..." mean?

Col 1:
16 For in him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and in him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Did Christ Jesus have the Word of God in Him? Are His Words spirit and life?

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Is Christ Jesus the "beginning"?

Please think about what the Word of God is saying...

 

[Duckybill]

Colossians 1:16 (NASB)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Colossians 1:16 (NIV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

Colossians 1:16 (ESV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Colossians 1:16 (NKJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians 1:16 (BBE)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by him all things were made, in heaven and on earth, things seen and things unseen, authorities, lords, rulers, and powers; all things were made by him and for him;

Colossians 1:16 (MontgomeryNT)
[sup]16 [/sup]for in him was the universe created, things in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen, thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers; by him and for him all have been created;

Colossians 1:16 (Darby)
[sup]16 [/sup]because by him were created all things, the things in the heavens and the things upon the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones, or lordships, or principalities, or authorities: all things have been created by him and for him.

Colossians 1:16 (GW)
[sup]16 [/sup]He created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible. Whether they are kings or lords, rulers or powers— everything has been created through him and for him.

Colossians 1:16 (KJV)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:16 (NASB77)
[sup]16 [/sup]For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created by Him and for Him.

Colossians 1:16 (TLB)
[sup]16 [/sup]Christ himself is the Creator who made everything in heaven and earth, the things we can see and the things we can’t; the spirit world with its kings and kingdoms, its rulers and authorities; all were made by Christ for his own use and glory.