I do. I find chemical and biological evolution really interesting. I remember in my intro to biology class being dissapointed that we didn't get to learn more about it. It's on my list to research further. Oh, and I think that part of what you're forgetting to mention with your statement is the Big Bang. But that I'm pretty sure has more to do with physics.Arnie Manitoba said:
Creationism in science class rooms
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I really don't care what people believe. I only accept that which is reasonably proven.snr5557 said:
snr5557 said:
Can you scientifically test evolution? If so, then please upgrade it from a "Theory" to a "Law".
Students, for your Final grade, please mate two tadpoles and arrive at a new species.
With Best Regards,
DaDad
But we can observe what it has done. I should have included that as well. Sorry, a little distracted today, it has been pretty greatDaDad said:
But, people have been able to observe evolution. It's really cool! Here's an article about how fast bacteria can evolve. This is one thing that I love about going on this site, in my effort to show other people how amazing science is and that God and science can coexist, I end up learning even more about science.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070305-evolution-germs.html
DaDad said:
No it doesn't. The only way you could say that would be to say that since evolution is about the behavior of living things, then it must be about the origin of those living things, and therefore it must also be about the origin of the material for what made up those first living things, and therefore it must also be about the origin of the universe in which that material came to be.Arnie Manitoba said:
But by the same argument, chemistry is "the whole universe , including earth and all life on earth , began with nothing , and then became everything by random chance over billions of years", yet I don't see creationists arguing against chemistry on the same grounds.
Evolution describes how populations of living organisms change over time. That's it. If you're unable to address it on those terms, maybe you should examine your own position first.
Of course you can test it. But you seem to be confused as to what "theory" means in science. Theories don't become laws. Theories are well-established explanatory frameworks that have withstood testing. No amount of successful testing will make a theory into law.DaDad said:
The evolution of new species is a repeatedly observed fact.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
DaDad - your mischaracterization of the role of theories in science reveals your ignorance of basic scientific principles. I also doubt your assertion that you only believe what is 'reasonably proven' - whatever that means.....I think you believe what you have been told about Christianity and reject everything that does not feel to you like Christianity.
I am not a scientist either, but I recognize that I would have to know more about physical science than a scientist in order to critique the foundational principles of science.
Just because I cannot explain why a negative integer multiplied by a negative integer results in a positive integer doesn't mean I declare multiplication to be stupid and mathematicians to be brainwashed or evil.
Sorry, but I think it is the height of arrogance to dismiss professions and professionals based on our uneducated opinions of what makes them relevant. Especially, when the uneducated person uses the professions willingness to leave room for further discovery against it.....'that doctor is an idiot - he gave my mom 12 months to live and she live 5 years!' Lord, have mercy.....
I am not a scientist either, but I recognize that I would have to know more about physical science than a scientist in order to critique the foundational principles of science.
Just because I cannot explain why a negative integer multiplied by a negative integer results in a positive integer doesn't mean I declare multiplication to be stupid and mathematicians to be brainwashed or evil.
Sorry, but I think it is the height of arrogance to dismiss professions and professionals based on our uneducated opinions of what makes them relevant. Especially, when the uneducated person uses the professions willingness to leave room for further discovery against it.....'that doctor is an idiot - he gave my mom 12 months to live and she live 5 years!' Lord, have mercy.....
I disagree. Clearly it can happen in a SINGLE GENERATION. -- That's why abortionists insist that the unborn is not a child. It could be any myriad of organic substance, but certainly NOT a child. :wacko:snr5557 said:
You're right. How stupid of me to think that it DIDN'T take 50M years of erosion to create the Grand Canyon.aspen said:
But I will say this, -- it cuts all-directions. I don't believe any liar, whether on evolution; the Grand Canyon; the Kennedy Assassination; or even some VERY POPULAR Scriptural myths, typical of how the walls of Jericho fell because of a "miracle". (Please note that miracles DO occur, but this was a military accomplishment.)
With Best Regards,
DaDad
Sure.Arnie Manitoba said:
http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/abstract/91/7/1022
In this example, when two species of goatsbeard overlapped, they produced a hybrid that is unable to breed with either of its parents, but is fully capable of breeding on its own. Plus, the newly evolved species is more robust than either parent species.
If you'd like, I have a lot of other examples from lots of different taxa (insects, birds, reptiles, fish....)
There are over a hundred variations of the goatsbeard plant and now there is one more new one ..... so what ?? ... it is still within the goatsbeard family ..... just like all the varieties of wheat .... we can cross breed , select and even genetically modify any of them .... but they are still wheat plants.River Jordan said:
Come back when the goatsbeard plant becomes a wheat plant in your lab .... then you have something
It cannot be done and you know it .... and if you try to imply that the magic waiting period of millions of years is required .... you have just lost your claim of being able to demonstrating it .
Creationism isn't taught because it goes against all evolutionary theories of science.River Jordan said:
Evloution is taught because Godless scientists and a Godless country want to have an answer for the origins of earth and man and the universe outside of God. So they think they have it in 'evolution'.
Creationists views are based on truth, and absolute knowledge. Not the theories and incomplete, and ever changing knowledge science and scientists offer.
Quantrill
snr5557 said:
Science class rooms allow the lie of evolution to be taught. They conjur up theories, wave their arms, and presto, something emerges which they identify as life from which all living things came from. And they expect others to believe this Hocus Pocus.
Prove Charles Darwin was a Christian.
Of course you love how science is always wrong. Because science is always wrong. You have to eat crow one way or another. May as well pretend to like it.
Quantrill
Quantrill said:Science class rooms allow the lie of evolution to be taught. They conjur up theories, wave their arms, and presto, something emerges which they identify as life from which all living things came from. And they expect others to believe this Hocus Pocus.
Actually, scientists don't believe in magic, just fyi.
And they don't just dream things like this up overnight, evolutionists spend a lot of their time dedicating their life to the study of evolution.
Prove Charles Darwin was a Christian.
He originally was becoming a priest, and back in his time priests had to study nature. They believed that studying the world around them was a way of understanding the beauty of what God had bestowed on us. When he went to the Galapagos Island and observed what he originally thought were very different birds, turned out to all be finches. And, well you know the story
Of course you love how science is always wrong. Because science is always wrong. You have to eat crow one way or another. May as well pretend to like it.
How did I say why I love science is wrong? if you're saying how I'm aware that things do change as we become more advanced in our thinking and technology than yes. But I severely disagree in how science is always wrong. Was the polio vaccine wrong? Is how a car works wrong? Is gravity wrong? Are you saying that the Sun revolves around the Earth? I don't think you realized what you just said.
Quantrill
Evolution may as well be magic. Just because they spend a lot of time at it doesn't mean it isn't a lie. It is.snr5557 said:Science class rooms allow the lie of evolution to be taught. They conjur up theories, wave their arms, and presto, something emerges which they identify as life from which all living things came from. And they expect others to believe this Hocus Pocus.
Actually, scientists don't believe in magic, just fyi.
And they don't just dream things like this up overnight, evolutionists spend a lot of their time dedicating their life to the study of evolution.
Prove Charles Darwin was a Christian.
He originally was becoming a priest, and back in his time priests had to study nature. They believed that studying the world around them was a way of understanding the beauty of what God had bestowed on us. When he went to the Galapagos Island and observed what he originally thought were very different birds, turned out to all be finches. And, well you know the story
Of course you love how science is always wrong. Because science is always wrong. You have to eat crow one way or another. May as well pretend to like it.
How did I say why I love science is wrong? if you're saying how I'm aware that things do change as we become more advanced in our thinking and technology than yes. But I severely disagree in how science is always wrong. Was the polio vaccine wrong? Is how a car works wrong? Is gravity wrong? Are you saying that the Sun revolves around the Earth? I don't think you realized what you just said.
Quantrill
Well, I said prove Darwin was a Christian. Not some want a be priest. Oh the finches ruined his faith. How silly. A faith that never existed.
Change equals wrong. Science has to change its mind becaue it doesn't know everything. Sorry your faith is founded on that. But go ahead and enjoy it. You don't have much choice.
Quantrill
snr5557 said:
Of course it makes it false. It goes against the Bible.
Again, prove to me Darwin was a Christian. You have not.
Change does equal wrong. My, my, my. that crow tastes terrible. Science is going to be wrong because they are always learning. Thus they have to admit they are wrong and change to what they now know. Which will change again as they learn more.
Science can add to its knowledge all it wants. But don't try and say it isn't wrong what it claimed before when it changes.
Quantrill
Quantrill said:Of course it makes it false. It goes against the Bible.
But if the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally, would it be against the Bible?
Again, prove to me Darwin was a Christian. You have not.
I told you, he was in the process of becoming a priest, who teaches Christianity. I remember a quote saying how his faith was as strong as a bishop, but I'm not entirely sure where it's from.
Change does equal wrong. My, my, my. that crow tastes terrible. Science is going to be wrong because they are always learning. Thus they have to admit they are wrong and change to what they now know. Which will change again as they learn more.
I still don't think you realize what you're saying. For example, scientists have found a vaccine for polio, a horrible disease that will cripple people. Are you saying that vaccine is wrong, since it came from science? Yes, science is fluid not rigid, but to discount everything it has done is not right. The more we know, the more we realize there is so much we don't know, so of course we try to understand that was well. It's a lovely and maddening cycle that I absolutely love
If you really do think science is wrong, why are you on a computer using the internet? Because science created what you're using right now.
The Bible is to be interpreted literally. Else we are left to 'your' intepretation. And we have seen where that goes.snr5557 said:Of course it makes it false. It goes against the Bible.
But if the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally, would it be against the Bible?
Again, prove to me Darwin was a Christian. You have not.
I told you, he was in the process of becoming a priest, who teaches Christianity. I remember a quote saying how his faith was as strong as a bishop, but I'm not entirely sure where it's from.
Change does equal wrong. My, my, my. that crow tastes terrible. Science is going to be wrong because they are always learning. Thus they have to admit they are wrong and change to what they now know. Which will change again as they learn more.
I still don't think you realize what you're saying. For example, scientists have found a vaccine for polio, a horrible disease that will cripple people. Are you saying that vaccine is wrong, since it came from science? Yes, science is fluid not rigid, but to discount everything it has done is not right. The more we know, the more we realize there is so much we don't know, so of course we try to understand that was well. It's a lovely and maddening cycle that I absolutely love
If you really do think science is wrong, why are you on a computer using the internet? Because science created what you're using right now.
You said Darwin was a Christian. Prove it. If you can't, say so.
God created the molecules that make up computer and all its implements. Why doesn't science acknowledge God?
I neve said science isn't learning. I said, science must get things wrong and change because they don't know everything. But, my faith is in God, and not science. Because God does know everything. So, you love believing something today which may be wrong tomorrow? Crow; get to like it.
Quantrill
Quantrill said:The Bible is to be interpreted literally. Else we are left to 'your' intepretation. And we have seen where that goes.
Where does it lead to?
You said Darwin was a Christian. Prove it. If you can't, say so.
I find that the fact that he was about to dedicate his entire life to his faith in enough, but if that's not enough for you I can't say much else. I wasn't alive at the time that he was, so I can't say I know him personally either.
God created the molecules that make up computer and all its implements. Why doesn't science acknowledge God?
Science itself cannot acknowledge anything that cannot be tested. Science isn't a person. However, many scientists acknowledge that there is a God, and many others do not. What you're saying is why do scientists not acknowledge God, and that will vary from person to person.
I neve said science isn't learning. I said, science must get things wrong and change because they don't know everything. But, my faith is in God, and not science. Because God does know everything. So, you love believing something today which may be wrong tomorrow? Crow; get to like it.
That's true, science is a quest for knowledge, a quest that can never be fulfilled because the universe holds so much
I guess if a person doesn't like change, constant change can seem horrible, but it's not. because we learn new things and find that can benefit humanity. It's because we learned from the past what will make a vaccine successful. It's because we learned from mistakes from the past that we understand a motor works. As the technology to test out theories become more advanced, our data gets more precise, which means our interpretations get more precise, which means our answers change. It's a beautiful and messy process. Kind of like life itself
Quantrill
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