You would lose that bet. How do I know that?
@Wrangler believes that they were all armed, ready to kill. He’s wrong. I think you know that; otherwise you probably wouldn’t bet “if they coulda they woulda”.
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You would lose that bet. How do I know that?
@Wrangler believes that they were all armed, ready to kill. He’s wrong. I think you know that; otherwise you probably wouldn’t bet “if they coulda they woulda”.
Ziggy
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I tell you what. You follow him as he has called you, and I will follow him as he has called me.
I believe that is scriptural.
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Everyone has their role to play.
What is the list?
Apostles, teachers, helps, and I do believe "governments" is in that list as well.
Ziggy
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Ziggy
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He hasn’t called anyone to kill Christians or non-Christians.
Killing Christians and / ir non-Christians isn’t on the apostle’s list.
Listen again with me to that same apostle -
“We do not use the weapons of the world.”
He speaks for Jesus.
I govern inside the church as a pastor (though I’m now retired), just as Paul had in mind and instructed the folliwers of Jesus.
I’m not hiding and I’n standing on the same rock that the apostles stand on.
Ziggy
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So who is talking about killing our brothers and sisters in Christ?
WHO?
The weapons that we use are for the pulling down of strongholds that take over weak minds.
Our battle is with those who have NO MINDS.
WHO?
The weapons that we use are for the pulling down of strongholds that take over weak minds.
Our battle is with those who have NO MINDS.
Ziggy
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The defenders of the Crusades. You do know the crusaders killed Muslims, Jews and Christians, don’t you?
The defenders of Christian nationalism. You do know that Christians living in one nation have killed Christians living in other nations, don’t you?
The weapons, the apostle said, that followers of Jesus use to do that are not the weapons of the world.
You entered in the middle of the movie. You should watch it from the beginning and then come back, if you decide to continue. I hope that you will.
From Christian sources -
A few among many.
Also from non-Christian sources. But if Christian sources won’t persuade Christians, an appeal to non-Christian sources isn’t going to persuade them.
The Bloody Theater
That’s an outstanding title. It honors the men, women and children who followed the teaching and example of Jesus and the apostles in response to the attacks of their enemies.
”You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.” - demons
”Cowards; man in form, not substance”. - demons
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If I were a gambling man, I’d wager that you’ve asked me that question before and I’ve answered it.
Israel isn’t following the teaching of Jesus and the apostles concerning how the followers of Jesus are to treat their enemies. The government of Israel doesn’t love its enemies and the governments of their enemies don’t love Israel.
The government of Israel falls under Romans 13, and Romans 13 requires the governments of the nations - all nations - to defend their citizens.
The nation of Israel, a message to Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, Son of the God of Israel -> “Go away. You are not the Messiah. We don’t want you. We don’t need you. You weren’t sent by the God of Israel. You are a deceiver.”
The nation of Israel is living on borrowed time @rockytopva.
It presently wants to live like the nations of the world, and is.
Paul / Jesus addresses the relationship between the followers of Jesus and the nations of the world in Romans 13.
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Paul / Jesus. Recruiter for the military of the Roman Empire?
“Join Nero’s army and see the world!” That doesn’t sound like something which Paul / Jesus would say.
”Join Nero’s army and be the world.” That sounds like something which Paul / Jesus would agree with.
The nation of Israel is living on borrowed time @rockytopva.
It presently wants to live like the nations of the world, and is.
Paul / Jesus addresses the relationship between the followers of Jesus and the nations of the world in Romans 13.
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Paul / Jesus. Recruiter for the military of the Roman Empire?
“Join Nero’s army and see the world!” That doesn’t sound like something which Paul / Jesus would say.
”Join Nero’s army and be the world.” That sounds like something which Paul / Jesus would agree with.
But what about the followers of Jesus who weren’t “armed, ready to kill”?
Jesus wasn’t “armed, ready to kill.”
The apostles weren’t “armed, ready to kill.”
”You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill” … is a lie. (Emanating from the same lying spirit which urges us to believe “Jesus obviously lied.”
Look around. Have you not seen with your own eyes and heard with your own ears genuine followers of Jesus who are “not armed, ready to kill”? I know that you have.
* Knock, knock. *
”Who’s there?”
”My name is Matthias. I’m a follower of Jesus.”
“What do you want?”
”I want to speak with people who approve of killing Christians.”
”Please come in.”
“Thank you for receiving me. Do you approve of killing Christians?”
”Yes.”
“Are you a Muslim?”
“No. My nextdoor neighbor is though.”
”Are you a Christian?”
”Yes.”
”Then my business is with you. I’ll attend to my Father’s business with your neighbor after I conclude my business with you.”
* A shot rings out *
It didn’t come from me. I’m not “armed, ready to kill.” (The only weapon I have on my person is the armor of God, and that isn’t a weapon of the world.) It came from an enemy. Which house?
Who is my enemy? Any house - Christian or non-Christian - which advocates for followers of Jesus to kill Christians and / or non-Christians.
How do I treat my enemy? The same way that Jesus and the apostles taught and modeled followers of Jesus to treat them. (Do you have any questions about what they taught? About what they modeled? If so, let’s discuss it.)
* Knock, knock *
”Who’s there?”
”My name is Matthias. Among other things, I’m an evangelist. I come teaching and preaching God’s gospel of peace.”
”Who’s there?”
”My name is Matthias. I’m a follower of Jesus.”
“What do you want?”
”I want to speak with people who approve of killing Christians.”
”Please come in.”
“Thank you for receiving me. Do you approve of killing Christians?”
”Yes.”
“Are you a Muslim?”
“No. My nextdoor neighbor is though.”
”Are you a Christian?”
”Yes.”
”Then my business is with you. I’ll attend to my Father’s business with your neighbor after I conclude my business with you.”
* A shot rings out *
It didn’t come from me. I’m not “armed, ready to kill.” (The only weapon I have on my person is the armor of God, and that isn’t a weapon of the world.) It came from an enemy. Which house?
Who is my enemy? Any house - Christian or non-Christian - which advocates for followers of Jesus to kill Christians and / or non-Christians.
How do I treat my enemy? The same way that Jesus and the apostles taught and modeled followers of Jesus to treat them. (Do you have any questions about what they taught? About what they modeled? If so, let’s discuss it.)
* Knock, knock *
”Who’s there?”
”My name is Matthias. Among other things, I’m an evangelist. I come teaching and preaching God’s gospel of peace.”
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