Crusades Began with Reconquista

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Matthias

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Is that a pic of a war ship?

A ship manned by and transporting Catholics; on their way to kill Muslims. And Jews. And Christians.

You‘ve made it perfectly clear that you don’t have an issue with that -> “Jesus will kill Christians. … we should model that demonstration.” What’s stopping you from doing it?
 

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I wonder how many nuclear bombs Iran would have already launched against Israel if they didn't take out their capacity? My guess, all of them that they would have made by now.

It's a shame the Persians have not revolted against their Islamic oppressors during this time where they've been weakened.
 

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I wonder how many nuclear bombs Iran would have already launched against Israel if they didn't take out their capacity? My guess, all of them that they would have made by now.

It's a shame the Persians have not revolted against their Islamic oppressors during this time where they've been weakened.

Their nuclear capability would have been very limited. If they had launched just one nuke, Israel and USA would of smashed them.
They know this.

My guess is that they would of used the nukes as a tactical defense strategy, like most other countries with nukes do.

"Attack or invade us and we will push the button".
 

David Lamb

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But Jesus will kill Christians. You keep wanting to only talk about what he did Tuesday as if that is the totally of what he did and will do. Jesus told us even those who perform miracles in his name, he never knew. The Lake of Fire awaits, where Jesus will end of killing more people than anyone in history. This you ignore.
The Lake of Fire does not await Christians, though. What is your biblical basis for your assertion that Jesus will kill Christians? Rather, He said:

(Joh 10:9-11 NKJV) I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

Notice He says that it is the thief who steals, kills and destroys. He, the Good Shepherd, came that His sheep (Christians) should have life. He gave His life for the sheep.
 

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They’re not like other countries. Their religion makes them want to instigate WWIII as that’ll usher the Islamic Messiah to come.

Well they would of been stupid to launch even one nuke cos the USA would of turned their country into a thermonuclear wasteland within moments
 

Matthias

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I wonder how many nuclear bombs Iran would have already launched against Israel if they didn't take out their capacity? My guess, all of them that they would have made by now.

It's a shame the Persians have not revolted against their Islamic oppressors during this time where they've been weakened.

Have you prayed for the Islamic oppressors?
 

Matthias

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Well they would of been stupid to launch even one nuke cos the USA would of turned their country into a thermonuclear wasteland within moments

The USA could turn your country, any country, into a thermonuclear wasteland.

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You and @Wrangler could meet on opposite sides of a battlefield one day. You’re both willing to kill one another in that scenario. You’re both willing to kill Christians. The devil wants you to get on with it.
 

Matthias

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Why will Jesus do that?

You haven’t put me on ignore @Wrangler. You‘ve put the question on ignore.

Counterfeit Christianity

No genuine Christian will be killed by Jesus. No genuine Christian will be thrown into the lake of fire. Counterfeit Christians - people who say they are Christian but are not - are on the path that leads to destruction.
 

Matthias

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So to me Matthias is just an antagonistic troll. Not worth having a conversation with.

We are not alike.

Do not kill your enemy. Evangelize him.

AI Overview had this to say about my attitude toward my enemy -

“Choosing to evangelize an enemy instead of destroying them shifts the focus from hostility to transformation, echoing Matthew 5:44 to love and pray for those who oppose you. This approach aims to turn an adversary into a brother through persuasion and grace rather than force.

Core Principles

• Love: Treat opponents with active goodwill.

• Grace: Offer kindness instead of payback.

• Witness: Share your faith by how you act.

Practical Steps

• Listen: Hear their side first.

• Serve: Help them when they are in need.

• Share: Speak your truth with calm respect.”
 

Matthias

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You are my enemy, @Armour of God. And you are infinitely worth having a conversation with.

Like the Catholic warriors whom you celebrate, you would kill your enemy -> be your enemy Muslim, Jew or Christian.

You would kill @Wrangler in the scenario of his nation warring against yours. Would you feel remorse over it? The Catholic warriors whom you celebrate would have killed Wrangler due to him being opposed to Catholic belief and practice.

I’m a resident alien. A Christian pastor. My citizenship is above, in heaven. You have killed me, metaphorically speaking. Do you feel any remorse over it? I don’t think so.

Love your enemy. Evangelize him.

That is my attitude and approach toward my enemy. That’s not your attitude and approach toward yours.

Could I retain my attitude and approach toward my enemy if I was serving in the military? No. The military would not, and should not, tolerate it.

That is why Jesus, through Paul, separates the role of government from the role of the Christian.

Beginning in the 4th century, the church slowly moved towards throwing that separation out the window, mixing the roles. I don’t object to the role of the government. To do that would be to reject the teaching of Jesus / Paul. What I object to is mixing the roles of government and Christians. To do that is holding fast to the teaching of Jesus / Paul and rejecting the teaching of the compromised church.
 

Matthias

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Could I retain my attitude and approach toward my enemy if I was serving in the military? No. The military would not, and should not, tolerate it.

@Armour of God are you familiar with Desmond Doss? If not, you should Google him. @Wrangler wasn’t. He is now.

Doss, a pacifist, the subject of the movie Hacksaw Ridge, was one of the bravest men who ever walked the face of God’s good earth. Wrangler, even after learning about him says Doss (by his personal definition of “Christian” - “You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill”), wasn’t a Christian, was a coward, a man in form but not substance. The Medal of Honor that was awarded Doss for his military service in World War II says different.

Pacifism isn’t passive, but it is wide in scope. Doss did what I couldn’t with a clear conscience do.


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Are you familiar with Alvin York? He too was a pacifist. York did (in military service during World War I) what neither Doss nor I would do. He registered as a conscientious objector but his registration status was denied by the government. He was drafted, and compromised his faith in order to avoid being arrested.

 
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