Crusades Began with Reconquista

[Matthias]

Agreed. That’s why I put him on ignore months ago.

Then your account has been hacked. Someone has been conversing with me in your name.

Someone should tell him.

 

[Matthias]

Is that a pic of a war ship?

A ship manned by and transporting Catholics; on their way to kill Muslims. And Jews. And Christians.

You‘ve made it perfectly clear that you don’t have an issue with that -> “Jesus will kill Christians. … we should model that demonstration.” What’s stopping you from doing it?

 

[Wrangler]

I wonder how many nuclear bombs Iran would have already launched against Israel if they didn't take out their capacity? My guess, all of them that they would have made by now.

It's a shame the Persians have not revolted against their Islamic oppressors during this time where they've been weakened.

 

[Armour of God]

I wonder how many nuclear bombs Iran would have already launched against Israel if they didn't take out their capacity? My guess, all of them that they would have made by now.

It's a shame the Persians have not revolted against their Islamic oppressors during this time where they've been weakened.

Their nuclear capability would have been very limited. If they had launched just one nuke, Israel and USA would of smashed them.
They know this.

My guess is that they would of used the nukes as a tactical defense strategy, like most other countries with nukes do.

"Attack or invade us and we will push the button".

 

[David Lamb]

But Jesus will kill Christians. You keep wanting to only talk about what he did Tuesday as if that is the totally of what he did and will do. Jesus told us even those who perform miracles in his name, he never knew. The Lake of Fire awaits, where Jesus will end of killing more people than anyone in history. This you ignore.

The Lake of Fire does not await Christians, though. What is your biblical basis for your assertion that Jesus will kill Christians? Rather, He said:

(Joh 10:9-11 NKJV) I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly. "I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

Notice He says that it is the thief who steals, kills and destroys. He, the Good Shepherd, came that His sheep (Christians) should have life. He gave His life for the sheep.

 

[Wrangler]

My guess is that they would have used the nukes as a tactical defense strategy, like most other countries with nukes do.

They’re not like other countries. Their religion makes them want to instigate WWIII as that’ll usher the Islamic Messiah to come.

 

[Armour of God]

They’re not like other countries. Their religion makes them want to instigate WWIII as that’ll usher the Islamic Messiah to come.

Well they would of been stupid to launch even one nuke cos the USA would of turned their country into a thermonuclear wasteland within moments

 

[Wrangler]

The Lake of Fire does not await Christians, though.

Where do you get this from in light of our Lord saying even those who performed miracles in his name, he didn’t know.

 

[Matthias]

I wonder how many nuclear bombs Iran would have already launched against Israel if they didn't take out their capacity? My guess, all of them that they would have made by now.

It's a shame the Persians have not revolted against their Islamic oppressors during this time where they've been weakened.

Have you prayed for the Islamic oppressors?

 

[Matthias]

Well they would of been stupid to launch even one nuke cos the USA would of turned their country into a thermonuclear wasteland within moments

The USA could turn your country, any country, into a thermonuclear wasteland.

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You and @Wrangler could meet on opposite sides of a battlefield one day. You’re both willing to kill one another in that scenario. You’re both willing to kill Christians. The devil wants you to get on with it.

 

[Matthias]

Why will Jesus do that?

You haven’t put me on ignore @Wrangler. You‘ve put the question on ignore.

Counterfeit Christianity

No genuine Christian will be killed by Jesus. No genuine Christian will be thrown into the lake of fire. Counterfeit Christians - people who say they are Christian but are not - are on the path that leads to destruction.

 

[Matthias]

So to me Matthias is just an antagonistic troll. Not worth having a conversation with.

We are not alike.

Do not kill your enemy. Evangelize him.

AI Overview had this to say about my attitude toward my enemy -

“Choosing to evangelize an enemy instead of destroying them shifts the focus from hostility to transformation, echoing Matthew 5:44 to love and pray for those who oppose you. This approach aims to turn an adversary into a brother through persuasion and grace rather than force.

Core Principles

• Love: Treat opponents with active goodwill.

• Grace: Offer kindness instead of payback.

• Witness: Share your faith by how you act.

Practical Steps

• Listen: Hear their side first.

• Serve: Help them when they are in need.

• Share: Speak your truth with calm respect.”

 

[Matthias]

You are my enemy, @Armour of God. And you are infinitely worth having a conversation with.

Like the Catholic warriors whom you celebrate, you would kill your enemy -> be your enemy Muslim, Jew or Christian.

You would kill @Wrangler in the scenario of his nation warring against yours. Would you feel remorse over it? The Catholic warriors whom you celebrate would have killed Wrangler due to him being opposed to Catholic belief and practice.

I’m a resident alien. A Christian pastor. My citizenship is above, in heaven. You have killed me, metaphorically speaking. Do you feel any remorse over it? I don’t think so.

Love your enemy. Evangelize him.

That is my attitude and approach toward my enemy. That’s not your attitude and approach toward yours.

Could I retain my attitude and approach toward my enemy if I was serving in the military? No. The military would not, and should not, tolerate it.

That is why Jesus, through Paul, separates the role of government from the role of the Christian.

Beginning in the 4th century, the church slowly moved towards throwing that separation out the window, mixing the roles. I don’t object to the role of the government. To do that would be to reject the teaching of Jesus / Paul. What I object to is mixing the roles of government and Christians. To do that is holding fast to the teaching of Jesus / Paul and rejecting the teaching of the compromised church.

 

[Matthias]

Could I retain my attitude and approach toward my enemy if I was serving in the military? No. The military would not, and should not, tolerate it.

@Armour of God are you familiar with Desmond Doss? If not, you should Google him. @Wrangler wasn’t. He is now.

Doss, a pacifist, the subject of the movie Hacksaw Ridge, was one of the bravest men who ever walked the face of God’s good earth. Wrangler, even after learning about him says Doss (by his personal definition of “Christian” - “You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill”), wasn’t a Christian, was a coward, a man in form but not substance. The Medal of Honor that was awarded Doss for his military service in World War II says different.

Pacifism isn’t passive, but it is wide in scope. Doss did what I couldn’t with a clear conscience do.

Desmond Doss: The Real Story

On April 1, 1942, Desmond Doss joined the United States Army. Little did he realize that three and a half years later, he would be standing on the White House lawn, receiving the nation's highest award for his bravery and courage under fire. Of the 16 million men in uniform during World War II...

desmonddoss.com

P.S.

Are you familiar with Alvin York? He too was a pacifist. York did (in military service during World War I) what neither Doss nor I would do. He registered as a conscientious objector but his registration status was denied by the government. He was drafted, and compromised his faith in order to avoid being arrested.

Alvin C. York - World War I - US Army - Medal of Honor

After his platoon had suffered heavy casualties and three other noncommissioned officers had become casualties, Cpl. York assumed command.

www.mohhc.org

 

[David Lamb]

Where do you get this from in light of our Lord saying even those who performed miracles in his name, he didn’t know.

Certainly He said that He never knew those who merely claimed to have prophesied, cast out demons, and done wonders in His name:

(Mat 7:21-23 NKJV) "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

But such people cannot have been His sheep, true Christians, because of them He said:

(Joh 10:14 NKJV) I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.

 

[Wrangler]

Certainly He said that He never knew those who merely claimed to have prophesied, cast out demons, and done wonders in His name:

Nope. That is not how the text reads; they actually performed miracles in his name AND Jesus still did not know them.

 

[David Lamb]

Nope. That is not how the text reads; they actually performed miracles in his name AND Jesus still did not know them.

The text says "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" They said that they had done those things, and done them in the name of Jesus. Jesus does not say that what they said was true. If He never knew them, they were not His sheep, and would not have been able to do anything in H)is name.

 

[Wrangler]

"Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" They said that they had done those things, and done them in the name of Jesus. Jesus does not say that what they said was true.

No. You're not getting it.
David. I did X.
Wrangler. David said he did X.

Nowhere does the text suggest they did not, in fact, do the things listed. This is simple language usage. They did AND Jesus still did not know them. That's the point of the text. Consult a good study bible or concordance.

 

[Matthias]

“A faithful pastor doesn’t lead his people in how to keep persecution from happening.

A faithful pastor leads his people to be ready to patiently endure whatever persecution may come, and in the end, to stand.” - Tyler Campbell (ex-pastor, he says about himself)

Tyler Campbell (@osucowboytc) on X

A faithful pastor doesn't lead his people in how to keep persecution from happening. A faithful pastor leads his people to be ready to patiently endure whatever persecution may come, and in the end, to stand.

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@Armour of God I’m a faithful Christian pastor. Retirement hasn’t changed my faithfulness.

My pastoral counsel to @Wrangler is my counsel to everyone -> patiently endure whatever persecution may come and wait for Jesus. He has said time and again that he won’t. He’ll answer to Jesus, not me, for that decision.

If the government of any nation of the world were to ask for my counsel I would direct their attention to Romans 13:4 and advise that it carry out its God-given role and responsibility.

Can you imagine what the present government of Iran (somewhat comparable to Nero’s government) would say in response to that? (They would likely torture me, kill me, and carry on with their evil. In the end, I will stand.)