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Floyd

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Purity said:
A case in point!

Dear readers. Surely you all here are not so naïve to assume the notion of a supernatural monster is not found in 2 Cor 11:14?

If you have not read Pauls letter to the Brothers and Sister at Corinth here is the context plain and clear.

2Co 3:1; 2Co 10:2-3, 2Co 10:10, 2Co 10:12, 2Co 10:17-18; 2Co 11:3-4, 2Co 11:18-23

Who is the adversary (satan) in 2 Cor 11?

Who gets the prize for a correct answer ;) ?????
Usual idiotic reply!
Floyd.


[SIZE=20pt]Satan’s Motivation![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]First a few words on Satan himself.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Scripture says that Satan was the most magnificent being that God created. The word Satan is Hebrew, and means “an adversary, an enemy, an accuser”. He has other names which are related to Greek, and his role in events yet to be. Note that he is a “created” being, not “begotten”, as only Jesus has that designation! Before Satan became the “adversary”, his name was “Lucifer”, which means “Morning star”, and his fall from favour is described in Isaiah 14:12-15.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is much confusion and myth regarding Satan, starting in the Garden of Eden. He is there in Gen. 3:1, called a “serpent”, from the Hebrew “nachash”, which means “to hiss, mutter, whisper, etc.”, which has been translated subsequently as “serpent”. An allied Chaldean word means “bright”, which chimes with other Scriptural comment describing Satan as having a “glorious appearance”. In Isaiah 6:2-6, the Hebrew word “seraph” is used to describe “heavenly beings” as “burning bright, and elevated”. In Numbers 21:8, “saraph” is “fiery serpent”. The words seraph and nachash are both used in Scripture to describe a serpent and a glorious spirit being. In 2 Cor. 11:3, Paul fears for the Corinthians, that they will be beguiled as Adam and Eve, and refers to the appearance of Satan on that occasion in 2 Cor. 11:14, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"that he has transformed himself into an angel of light".[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]So, when Satan beguiled Eve, he was magnificent to behold, as he saidsurely thou wilt not die”, Gen. 3:4, and he has been saying it ever since, with the consequence that many humans will listen to him, and will go to their destruction! They will listen to Satan, even though they know the difference between good and evil![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In summary of this brief description; Satan was the most beautiful of God’s created creatures. He became enchanted by his own beauty and power, and wanted God’s position Ezek. 28. He is cast from favour, Isaiah 14:12. His name is changed after his rebellion, to Satan, and he is allowed to try to stop trust and faith in God on earth, (Job). This process is still under way, and will not end until the events described in Rev. 20:2![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In conversation with an Orthodox Jew, the information was offered that Orthodox Judaism does not interpret the references to Satan in the Old Testament (Tanach), as is understood by right thinking Christians (Christ-Ones). One has to be reminded here, that “Orthodox Judaismsprang from the Pharisees of Jesus’ day.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The Old Testament (OT) shows that Satan has freewill which showed in the Garden of Eden in Genesis, but it is surmised that his existence is much older. Scripture refers to him as the Covering Cherub of an earlier situation, Ezek. 28:14 (in the KJV, the "art" should be translated "wast"), hence the supposition that Satan in his earlier pre-rebellious mode was an appointed trustee by Almighty God which he reneged against. The fact that Satan tried successfully to pervert the Words of God to Eve and Adam re the “the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil”, cuts no ice with Pharisaic Jews, and they merely say that all Satan was/is an Angel of God, and only a “servant” subject to God’s commands, without freewill![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]That clearly cannot be, as Satan quickly showed himself to be against God in the Garden of Eden. There clearly is great purpose in the forbearance of Almighty God in allowing Satan's constant rebellion and perversion of people and angels, as witnessed in Revelation. However, the outworking of Satan's rebellion has yet to be dealt with pen-ultimately at the beginning of the Millennial Reign of Christ/Jehovah on earth, and finally at the end of the Millennial Reign Rev. 20:10.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The references to Satan’s many attempts in Scripture to pervert God’s Words can be examined by anybody, so space will not be used here for such.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The remarkable thing to notice in all the events where Satan is involved is the fact that he always wanted/wants to deliberately change the meaning of the Words that God has given! Why would he do that? Well the answer quite simply is that to do so contravenes the Will of Almighty God! Why would Satan want to contravene God’s Will? To thwart His Plans! Why would Satan want to thwart God’s Plans? Because, if he was successful he would conquer God on God’s own Territory, which is His Love, His Word, His Promises, and His Fidelity to all His pronouncements in Scripture; and His Holy Being![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Here we have the core of the matter! God has in the past made firm promises to mankind, starting in Genesis 3:15, (which through the Roman Church, Satan has tried to attribute to Mary, instead of Jesus).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]What then is the plan of Satan?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Satan's strategy is:-[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]1) To obtain the knowledge of Creation (Jer. 31:35-37,) (this has been sought avidly by science since approx. AD 1850.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]2) To destroy the earth by degradation of all means. (This has accelerated since the start of the Industrial Revolution.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]3) To destroy Israel. (This has increased in intensity since the 2nd world war.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]4) To destroy faith in God/ Christ. (Satan is permitted to do his best/worst, to kill or prevent belief, faith, or love in Christ!)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]1) Satan has been trying to obtain the knowledge of Creation from the beginning, and is behind the work of Darwin and others to this purpose. He will not admit defeat, and will persevere in this up to the “[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Day of the Lord[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]2) The attempts to degrade the earth’s environment has accelerated since the Industrial Revolution in the UK, and is a strong sign of the times we are living in, accelerating towards the “[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Day of The Lord[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]3) This effort of Satan has been underway since Abram. As the promises were made by Jehovah God to His people, Satan’s efforts have increased, as was evidenced by the 2ndWorld War. The fact that the religious life of Israel is dominated by Pharisees, the same group that denied and organized Christ’s crucifixion via the Romans, does not help their situation, nor their denial of Satan as a powerful entity against God, and themselves! Satan’s purpose is to eliminate Israel, so that he can negate God’s promises to the Patriarchs! God has stated categorically that Israel will always exist, and Satan is extremely active in trying to thwart that Promise! Israel, since becoming a Nation again in 1948, are probably close to the OT promised culminations, but unfortunately, have yet to suffer more.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]They have yet to experience a false leader and situation, which will thankfully be short lived! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]4) Satan’s current major thrust is to try to destroy the message of God in Christ. Since the Reformation in the 16th century he has lost his grip on the Word of God through the Roman Church, (although it has crept back to quite a large degree). He has quite successfully transferred corruption and confusion to many Protestant groups, to the extent that many people are held under one form of bondage or another! How has he done this? Quite simply by the same methods he used in the Roman case. He has used the minds of men to distort the Words of God, especially in Christ Jesus. The reformation ethos of re-examining the basic Principles of Doctrine were/are fertile ground for him![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Many new Groups and Sects that have proliferated since the Reformation have proved fertile ground for the wiles of Satan, and the confusion of mankind. More than one good man has said that Satan’s best recruiting ground is in the Pulpit, not in the fleshpots of the world! At the present, it is these people that Satan wants to add to his list of converts, which at present includes 1/3 of all heavens angels![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]How then to be sure of being in the Truth of God in Christ, and not be beguiled by Satan’s lies and subtlety?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]One of the most profound Truths of Jesus, is that He makes us free! The many and varied “rules” and complex “interpretations” of Satan’s preachers and teachers are so formulated, that even they can’t explain with clarity what they are talking about! Any person can go to the Bible, and prayerfully ask for understanding, for the love of God in Christ to be theirs! Any teacher that puts conditions on this, is not in Truth![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Any teacher or Group that states that the Israel of the Old Testament has not got a future, and have been disowned by Jehovah God and are replaced by the “Church”, are not telling the truth, and should be ignored. This teaching is sometimes linked to that of “Election”, and states that we have no choice in the matter of Salvation, only those “selected by God” are “Elect” and “Foreknown”. For more on this subject see: [/SIZE][SIZE=13.5pt]Is Our Freewill Of Value Or Is Everything Predestined?[/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt](Separate study)[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Calvinist "Works" Teaching[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] (Separate study)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Any teacher or Group that try to use words to bamboozle the seeker, and any form of threat or insult, should be ignored; and the seeker can rest assured in the simple message of Christ Jesus, that all who believe in Him will have eternal life (John 3:16)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]By these methods, the seeker will find peace and Salvation in Jesus the Christ of Almighty God; and by reading the Bible, as a friend, will come to know more of the Mind of Christ/God![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is no doubt that our Lord is the most gentle Saviour, but Christ (The Anointed of Jehovah) has to deal with the evil of which most of us are unaware, and in the timing of Jehovah (Rev. 6,) that dealing leading to the ultimate conquering of Satan is underway. In that context, Satan expected the victory when Christ died on the accursed tree, but instead Christ gained victory over death, and became the first fruit of propitiation (the saved) to the Father, (Jehovah God). So Satan’s plans and motivations will come to nothing eventually![/SIZE]
 

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A case in point!

Dear readers. Surely you all here are not so naïve to assume the notion of a supernatural monster is not found in 2 Cor 11:14?

If you have not read Pauls letter to the Brothers and Sister at Corinth here is the context plain and clear.

2Co 3:1; 2Co 10:2-3, 2Co 10:10, 2Co 10:12, 2Co 10:17-18; 2Co 11:3-4, 2Co 11:18-23

Who is the adversary (satan) in 2 Cor 11?
Who is the adversary Paul is referring to in 2 Cor 11:14?
 

Floyd

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Who is the adversary Paul is referring to in 2 Cor 11:14?
I don't answer your questions until you answer the ones that cornered you, viz.


Purity, on 24 May 2014 - 01:04 AM, said:
Purity said:
If only you had 39 books to support your notions but you haven't one.
I only need one; The Bible!

It states clearly that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; which is where your apostasy is!
Watching your weasel words is like reading Gen..and Satan's words to Eve; "surely thou shalt not die"!
Ahh. but of course; you don't believe in Satan do you?
That means he never tempted Eve!
That means in your "theology" God introduced temptation and evil!???
That of course would not hold water! So where now your theology?

You say you "praise God regularly"; that means (if you tell the truth), that you "worship in spirit and in truth ( Jhn.4:23-24), unless the "one" you worship, is one of those that Jesus warned would be evident (false Christ's).
You said in an earlier post that you treat the Holy Spirit in the same way as Christ Jesus; ie deny their Deity!
In that case; you cannot "worship in spirit and in truth"; as "God is Spirit"!???
Floyd.
 

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Thank you folks for caring!

First and foremost Satan in his person had a major problem with Michael the archangel, and the Godman Lord Jesus Christ at the Cross, ie, he's personally bound in hell - soon to be released.

Old Jack,

One cannot but agape the ol' rugged Cross.
 

Floyd

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[SIZE=20pt]Satan’s Motivation![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]First a few words on Satan himself.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Scripture says that Satan was the most magnificent being that God created. The word Satan is Hebrew, and means “an adversary, an enemy, an accuser”. He has other names which are related to Greek, and his role in events yet to be. Note that he is a “created” being, not “begotten”, as only Jesus has that designation! Before Satan became the “adversary”, his name was “Lucifer”, which means “Morning star”, and his fall from favour is described in Isaiah 14:12-15.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is much confusion and myth regarding Satan, starting in the Garden of Eden. He is there in Gen. 3:1, called a “serpent”, from the Hebrew “nachash”, which means “to hiss, mutter, whisper, etc.”, which has been translated subsequently as “serpent”. An allied Chaldean word means “bright”, which chimes with other Scriptural comment describing Satan as having a “glorious appearance”. In Isaiah 6:2-6, the Hebrew word “seraph” is used to describe “heavenly beings” as “burning bright, and elevated”. In Numbers 21:8, “saraph” is “fiery serpent”. The words seraph and nachash are both used in Scripture to describe a serpent and a glorious spirit being. In 2 Cor. 11:3, Paul fears for the Corinthians, that they will be beguiled as Adam and Eve, and refers to the appearance of Satan on that occasion in 2 Cor. 11:14, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"that he has transformed himself into an angel of light".[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]So, when Satan beguiled Eve, he was magnificent to behold, as he saidsurely thou wilt not die”, Gen. 3:4, and he has been saying it ever since, with the consequence that many humans will listen to him, and will go to their destruction! They will listen to Satan, even though they know the difference between good and evil![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In summary of this brief description; Satan was the most beautiful of God’s created creatures. He became enchanted by his own beauty and power, and wanted God’s position Ezek. 28. He is cast from favour, Isaiah 14:12. His name is changed after his rebellion, to Satan, and he is allowed to try to stop trust and faith in God on earth, (Job). This process is still under way, and will not end until the events described in Rev. 20:2![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In conversation with an Orthodox Jew, the information was offered that Orthodox Judaism does not interpret the references to Satan in the Old Testament (Tanach), as is understood by right thinking Christians (Christ-Ones). One has to be reminded here, that “Orthodox Judaismsprang from the Pharisees of Jesus’ day.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The Old Testament (OT) shows that Satan has freewill which showed in the Garden of Eden in Genesis, but it is surmised that his existence is much older. Scripture refers to him as the Covering Cherub of an earlier situation, Ezek. 28:14 (in the KJV, the "art" should be translated "wast"), hence the supposition that Satan in his earlier pre-rebellious mode was an appointed trustee by Almighty God which he reneged against. The fact that Satan tried successfully to pervert the Words of God to Eve and Adam re the “the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil”, cuts no ice with Pharisaic Jews, and they merely say that all Satan was/is an Angel of God, and only a “servant” subject to God’s commands, without freewill![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]That clearly cannot be, as Satan quickly showed himself to be against God in the Garden of Eden. There clearly is great purpose in the forbearance of Almighty God in allowing Satan's constant rebellion and perversion of people and angels, as witnessed in Revelation. However, the outworking of Satan's rebellion has yet to be dealt with pen-ultimately at the beginning of the Millennial Reign of Christ/Jehovah on earth, and finally at the end of the Millennial Reign Rev. 20:10.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The references to Satan’s many attempts in Scripture to pervert God’s Words can be examined by anybody, so space will not be used here for such.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The remarkable thing to notice in all the events where Satan is involved is the fact that he always wanted/wants to deliberately change the meaning of the Words that God has given! Why would he do that? Well the answer quite simply is that to do so contravenes the Will of Almighty God! Why would Satan want to contravene God’s Will? To thwart His Plans! Why would Satan want to thwart God’s Plans? Because, if he was successful he would conquer God on God’s own Territory, which is His Love, His Word, His Promises, and His Fidelity to all His pronouncements in Scripture; and His Holy Being![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Here we have the core of the matter! God has in the past made firm promises to mankind, starting in Genesis 3:15, (which through the Roman Church, Satan has tried to attribute to Mary, instead of Jesus).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]What then is the plan of Satan?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Satan's strategy is:-[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]1) To obtain the knowledge of Creation (Jer. 31:35-37,) (this has been sought avidly by science since approx. AD 1850.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]2) To destroy the earth by degradation of all means. (This has accelerated since the start of the Industrial Revolution.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]3) To destroy Israel. (This has increased in intensity since the 2nd world war.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]4) To destroy faith in God/ Christ. (Satan is permitted to do his best/worst, to kill or prevent belief, faith, or love in Christ!)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]1) Satan has been trying to obtain the knowledge of Creation from the beginning, and is behind the work of Darwin and others to this purpose. He will not admit defeat, and will persevere in this up to the “[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Day of the Lord[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]2) The attempts to degrade the earth’s environment has accelerated since the Industrial Revolution in the UK, and is a strong sign of the times we are living in, accelerating towards the “[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Day of The Lord[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]3) This effort of Satan has been underway since Abram. As the promises were made by Jehovah God to His people, Satan’s efforts have increased, as was evidenced by the 2ndWorld War. The fact that the religious life of Israel is dominated by Pharisees, the same group that denied and organized Christ’s crucifixion via the Romans, does not help their situation, nor their denial of Satan as a powerful entity against God, and themselves! Satan’s purpose is to eliminate Israel, so that he can negate God’s promises to the Patriarchs! God has stated categorically that Israel will always exist, and Satan is extremely active in trying to thwart that Promise! Israel, since becoming a Nation again in 1948, are probably close to the OT promised culminations, but unfortunately, have yet to suffer more.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]They have yet to experience a false leader and situation, which will thankfully be short lived! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]4) Satan’s current major thrust is to try to destroy the message of God in Christ. Since the Reformation in the 16th century he has lost his grip on the Word of God through the Roman Church, (although it has crept back to quite a large degree). He has quite successfully transferred corruption and confusion to many Protestant groups, to the extent that many people are held under one form of bondage or another! How has he done this? Quite simply by the same methods he used in the Roman case. He has used the minds of men to distort the Words of God, especially in Christ Jesus. The reformation ethos of re-examining the basic Principles of Doctrine were/are fertile ground for him![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Many new Groups and Sects that have proliferated since the Reformation have proved fertile ground for the wiles of Satan, and the confusion of mankind. More than one good man has said that Satan’s best recruiting ground is in the Pulpit, not in the fleshpots of the world! At the present, it is these people that Satan wants to add to his list of converts, which at present includes 1/3 of all heavens angels![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]How then to be sure of being in the Truth of God in Christ, and not be beguiled by Satan’s lies and subtlety?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]One of the most profound Truths of Jesus, is that He makes us free! The many and varied “rules” and complex “interpretations” of Satan’s preachers and teachers are so formulated, that even they can’t explain with clarity what they are talking about! Any person can go to the Bible, and prayerfully ask for understanding, for the love of God in Christ to be theirs! Any teacher that puts conditions on this, is not in Truth![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Any teacher or Group that states that the Israel of the Old Testament has not got a future, and have been disowned by Jehovah God and are replaced by the “Church”, are not telling the truth, and should be ignored. This teaching is sometimes linked to that of “Election”, and states that we have no choice in the matter of Salvation, only those “selected by God” are “Elect” and “Foreknown”. For more on this subject see: [/SIZE][SIZE=13.5pt]Is Our Freewill Of Value Or Is Everything Predestined?[/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt](Separate study)[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Calvinist "Works" Teaching[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] (Separate study)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Any teacher or Group that try to use words to bamboozle the seeker, and any form of threat or insult, should be ignored; and the seeker can rest assured in the simple message of Christ Jesus, that all who believe in Him will have eternal life (John 3:16)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]By these methods, the seeker will find peace and Salvation in Jesus the Christ of Almighty God; and by reading the Bible, as a friend, will come to know more of the Mind of Christ/God![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is no doubt that our Lord is the most gentle Saviour, but Christ (The Anointed of Jehovah) has to deal with the evil of which most of us are unaware, and in the timing of Jehovah (Rev. 6,) that dealing leading to the ultimate conquering of Satan is underway. In that context, Satan expected the victory when Christ died on the accursed tree, but instead Christ gained victory over death, and became the first fruit of propitiation (the saved) to the Father, (Jehovah God). So Satan’s plans and motivations will come to nothing eventually![/SIZE]
 

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Don't be afraid of Purity Randor; he does not control "spirits".

The following is an example of the work of that (non-entity ,according to Purity); Satan!

The Ecumenical Movement and the Bible


[SIZE=14pt]The following are statements from the Bible ( KJV):[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Acts[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]4:12: " Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Comment: in context the "name" referred to is Jesus the Christ! The statement by the Holy Spirit (the 3rd person) in the Bible supports the concepts both of the only way of Salvation; and the 2nd Person of the Trinity![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The 1st Person of the Trinity is shown in many Old Testament (OT), statements of Almighty God, in particular:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Isaiah 45:22: "Look unto Me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am GOD, and there is none else".[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Here, God (Jehovah of the Jews; the 1st Person), affirms His Unique Status as the only God in existence; and, that He is not to be confused with the many false gods in the world, all originating in the great pretender; SATAN![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]This is emphasised in Isa.45:5; [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no 'God beside Me',[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and many other places in Scripture.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The reason for starting this paper with the above absolute statements, is that many people and Groups are saying the opposite, and, that has been the plan of Satan from the beginning of his demise, when as the "anointed Cherub, Ezk.28:14, he challenged God; and fell from Grace"![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Over many "Ages"; (Administrations) since, he has been allowed by Almighty God to try his best (worst) to bring "Creation" under his control; and in these "last times" of this Age; he has accelerated his efforts! See: [/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt]Satan's Motivation:http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/Satan[/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt] (Separate study)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]So we see that the Ages old conflict between Almighty God and Satan is coming to a Climax; many think very soon![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]However; in the process, many good hearted people (including Christians) are being drawn into the plans of Satan, and are aiding his efforts on earth at this present time![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]How, you may say? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Leaving aside the many obvious ways that Christians can be laid low by the enticements of Satan, the most dangerous way at present for both individuals and Groups, is probably the Ecumenical Movement![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]This may on first viewing be seen as a rather fallacious statement; but on careful examination shows to be accurate.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Not many people know that the movement is led by the Roman Church, albeit rather surreptitiously. This fact can be verified by reference to various Web Sites, under Google. They have kept the facts well covered until the 1950s, but are now more open re their objectives. As any knowledgeable Christian knows, the Roman Church Teachings are not compatible with the Truth of Scripture; and their Teachings are embodied in the following: [/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt]Why the Roman Catholic church is not of God Almighty:http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/Why the Roman Catholic church is not of God Almighty.htm[/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt] (Separate study) [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]As is well known and documented in Church and World History, the excesses and cruelty of Rome when their grip on the European population decreased after Martin Luther; led to the appalling torture of many true Christ-Ones in the Inquisition! These brave men and women would not denounce their trust in the Saviour, Christ Jesus, and Acts 4:12!![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The writers and family lived for some time in Chichester, England; and when revisiting recently noted that two men (Thomas Iveson and Richard Hook) in AD 1555, were burned alive by the Roman Church, for their trust in Christ Jesus, and would not denounce Acts 4:12! Because the same fact and Verse have become so precious to the writers since leaving Chichester; these brave men deserve mention here; and are only two examples of the many thousands who suffered such at the hands of the Roman Church![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The fact of their trust and bravery is recorded at the Providence Martyr's Chapel, which is close to the spot where they died.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The teachings of Rome have not changed[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]! Yet now, they lead the Ecumenical movement? How?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]Many Leaders of Church Groups have for many years been attending regular meetings to this end! They are exhorted to "not rock the boat" by being "dogmatic" about individual church teachings; but, to rather concentrate on "the things which are held in common"! There is particular emphasis in not talking about "one way of salvation"! The delegates (hand picked) are told to remember that all churches are working "towards building the kingdom of God"![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There are many falsehoods in the Ecumenical concept of "building God's Kingdom." A common teaching is that of human effort in the endeavour, (most teaching completely misconstruing what Our Lord was saying re the "Kingdom". He was referring to the "Millennial Kingdom", and He was always speaking in the context of the Jewish participation and reality that will transpire at that time. That Kingdom will become a reality in the timing of Almighty God the Father, See:[/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt]Millennial Age (relating to) 11-16http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/Millennial Age (relating to) 11-16.htm[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt](b) Millennium reign requirements; 15:4[/SIZE] (k)[SIZE=14pt]. This Kingdom will not become a reality until the Lord's enemies have become "His footstool", Psm 110:1, Matt. 22:44, Mark 12:36, Luke 20:43, Acts 2:35, and Hebrews 1:13). Some Groups, with extreme tendencies, even go so far as to teach that all couples in the Group should have many children (on the assumption that they will remain in the Group, possibly by duress) and that this will increase their numbers for the Kingdom! This teaching tends to be restricted to those groups that consider themselves especially "selected" for salvation (by their own definition), and a well-known Sect in the USA, teaches "more than one wife". However, the idea is now spreading in monogamous couples in exclusive Sects in Europe.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]When in discussion and embattlement a couple of years ago with an Ordained Methodist Pastor near Glasgow, Scotland; he made the startling statement that "all religions, both western and eastern were acceptable to him, even witchcraft, as there are many ways to God"![/SIZE] Here is the crux of the matter. This same Minister also admitted his involvement with the Rome led Ecumenical Movement! His negation of Acts 4:12, when challenged by the writer and others, drove him to utter words which should never be used by a Christian! He was emphatic in his condemnation of 'Fundies', (fundamental Bible believing Christians); and stated that they were the only people he would not accept, because of "their bigotry"! He then proceeded to produce a long list of Bible texts supporting his thesis (all from modern translations); and clearly propagating "all are saved", "love one another", "God is within you", etc; which is the teaching of 'many modern Groups, and the New Age Movement'!
[SIZE=14pt]Regarding the problem of modern translations, this is well covered in: [/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt]Corruption of the Bible Text:http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/Corruption of the Bible Text.htm[/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt] (Separate study)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Professor Paul Freeman also itemises most of the modern errors; which so mislead modern teachers and Groups. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]When the writers recently quoted these above facts to two old and trusted friends, who are involved in an Ecumenical effort in their area, there was an unbelieving, almost shocked silence, so documents were produced to substantiate.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is a very special reason for the deception mentioned and shown above, which is probably soon to come about. To avoid repetition the following extract is taken from earlier work in [/SIZE][SIZE=13.5pt]www.revelationsmessage.co.uk[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] and shows the intricacy of Satan's workings![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Revelation 13:8.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]V.8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall (a)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]worship[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] him every one whose name is not written in the (b)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]book of the life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt](a) Here is reached probably the highest point on earth (as opposed to heaven) for the beast/Satan who now has many of the earth's population openly worshipping him directly, and via. his[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] false messiah [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]and false prophet,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] some believing that he is the true God. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]It is quite possible that the charade of Satan is so convincing that the established religions will accept him as [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Messiah (in the case of the Jews,) the risen Christ (in the case of Christendom,) and the hidden Imam (in the case of Islam.) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]This especially so as the beast will "hate the whore,"(Rev. 17:16) and appear to destroy her, which is clearly[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] false righteousness[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] for the effect of drawing their large groups together. The question arises, who is this entity described as [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"the beast?"(See 2:6 above.)http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/chapter13.html#v.2(6) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Chapter 2 of Daniel describes the figure in Nebuchadnezzar's dream. When the legs are reached they are described as iron (V.33,) and from history are clearly military and religious Rome. The ending of the military phase of Rome started in the 4th century A.D.[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] under Constantine. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] He and his [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]very influential mother Helena,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] began the conversion of the empire [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]into a military and religious body,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] for many reasons, including the main one, [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]effective control of the empire and people. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Constantine set up his own capital at Byzantium/Stambul (Istambul) which he re-named Constantinople. This alienated Rome, which by the 11th century A.D., split completely into the East and West of the original [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"Holy Roman[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Empire." [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Since then the two have established separate orthodoxies, i.e. Eastern Orthodox, and Roman Church, (two legs.) The feet of the dream (Dan. 2:41) and the toes (V.42) are the subject of our present study. Verse 1 describes it as having 7 heads and 10 horns (the horns are assumed to be the toes of the "image" Dan. 2:41.) Other references to it are in Dan. 7:7 "ten horns," and 7:20 "ten horns." In 7:20 and 7:24[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] another horn rises and subdues 3 of them, and becomes very powerful. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]It is that horn in its power base that "makes war with the saints," 7:21, 7:25.[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] In Rev. 13, the beast has 7 heads. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] In Dan. 7:20 the ten horns are on one head, implying that the 7 nations have[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] become one power (confederation,)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] under the most powerful horn 7:21. The identity of the little horn is the next concern. In Dan. 8:23 we are shown that he arrives out of the divided kingdom of [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Alexander the Great,[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] (8:21-22,) which divided between his four Generals at the death of Alexander. We also have many Scripture references to him. I.e; in Dan. 8:23 the correct Hebrew shows that "the transgressions," [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt](against Israel) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]are to reach a peak, before "he," [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"shall stand up." [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] This clearly points to the Tribulation imposed on the Jews by him [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt](Satan)[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] in the background, and almost certainly his full exposure ("standing up") will correspond with the[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] breaking of "the covenant," (Dan. 9:27.) [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]His highest representative on earth is commonly called [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"Antichrist." [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Through the ages he has had various roles on earth i.e. (Isa. 14:4,) (Isa. 14:12,) (Isa. 14:25,) (Dan. 7:8) (Dan. 8:23,) (Dan. 9:26,) (Dan. 11:36,) (Mic. 5:5,) (2 Thess. 2:3,) (2 Thess. 2:8,) (Rev. 13:1,) (Rev.13:18.) Some of the above apply to his future role as Antichrist.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In summary, the "little horn," Antichrist emerges from the 4th beast (confederacy) as its leader. Initially magnanimous to Israel, there is a 3½ year period of peace for them. After the first 3½ years, he breaks the agreement with Israel and they enter persecution (Jer. 30:7,) known in prophecy as "Jacob's[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]trouble," for 3½ years. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] However, this is the stage of the dramatic re-entry of the Christ of Jehovah onto the world stage for the first time in Power (Dan. 2:34-35, 44 and 45,) (Isa.) (Zech.) (Ezk.) etc.[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Almost simultaneously much is happening to the nations of the world, which is not of Satan, but the [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"wrath of[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]God," (Rev. 16:1.)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt](b)http://www.revelationsmessage.co.uk/chapter13.html[/SIZE] "Book of the life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world." [SIZE=14pt] The word "foundation" in Greek is "Katabole," which means [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]"overthrow." This seems to have occurred at some stage between Gen. 1:1, and[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Gen. 1:2. No information is given as to the reason, but is implicit in Almighty God's Plan of Redemption in Christ, as the Lamb's book of life started after that event! Much clarity is given by Paul and Peter regarding this juncture point. It is clear from Eph. 1:4, and 1 Peter 1:20 that some are "known," before the "overthrow," some after. Only Christ and His Body as shown in Eph. 1:4 and Peter 1:20 are "known" before the overthrow (foundation.)[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Those after are the Jew, and other groups, i.e. perhaps Christendom (religious but not of the Body of Christ,)[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]overcomers of Revelation, and all who must eventually stand before the Great White Throne[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]for Judgement. [/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] Here those after are referred to. Those before are in the opinion of the writers possibly no longer on earth as mentioned earlier, (see chp. 8:1(a,) last para.) Some opinions are that The Lamb's book of life started before the overthrow/foundation, which however is not the writers view, as that does not concur with Scripture's statements, (see ref. Rev.3:5(c).) What is clear is that The Lamb's Blood is retrospective from the overthrow/foundation, and that there are two groupings, those known before and those after.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]So it is seen that the stakes are high, and that Satan expects to win! From this description it is easy to see that many good hearted and sincere but deluded people and Christians are and will be involved on the side of Satan: but are too deluded by their teachers, and do not study Scripture for themselves to see the facts![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]It is our prayer that many Christians will wake up; and represent Christ in truth, in the full realization of ACTS 4:12![/SIZE]
 

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RANDOR said:
Hiding under bed :ph34r:
I tried the closet, but found out the Antichrist was waiting for me - don't hide in the closet.

Old out of sight Jack

Floyd said:
into an angel of light".

[SIZE=14pt]So, when Satan beguiled Eve, he was magnificent to behold, as he saidsurely thou wilt not die”, Gen. 3:4, and he has been saying it ever since, with the consequence that many humans will listen to him, and will go to their destruction! They will listen to Satan, even though they know the difference between good and evil![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In summary of this brief description; Satan was the most beautiful of God’s created creatures. He became enchanted by his own beauty and power, and wanted God’s position Ezek. 28. He is cast from favour, Isaiah 14:12. His name is changed after his rebellion, to Satan, and he is allowed to try to stop trust and faith in God on earth, (Job). This process is still under way, and will not end until the events described in Rev. 20:2![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]In conversation with an Orthodox Jew, the information was offered that Orthodox Judaism does not interpret the references to Satan in the Old Testament (Tanach), as is understood by right thinking Christians (Christ-Ones). One has to be reminded here, that “Orthodox Judaismsprang from the Pharisees of Jesus’ day.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The Old Testament (OT) shows that Satan has freewill which showed in the Garden of Eden in Genesis, but it is surmised that his existence is much older. Scripture refers to him as the Covering Cherub of an earlier situation, Ezek. 28:14 (in the KJV, the "art" should be translated "wast"), hence the supposition that Satan in his earlier pre-rebellious mode was an appointed trustee by Almighty God which he reneged against. The fact that Satan tried successfully to pervert the Words of God to Eve and Adam re the “the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil”, cuts no ice with Pharisaic Jews, and they merely say that all Satan was/is an Angel of God, and only a “servant” subject to God’s commands, without freewill![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]That clearly cannot be, as Satan quickly showed himself to be against God in the Garden of Eden. There clearly is great purpose in the forbearance of Almighty God in allowing Satan's constant rebellion and perversion of people and angels, as witnessed in Revelation. However, the outworking of Satan's rebellion has yet to be dealt with pen-ultimately at the beginning of the Millennial Reign of Christ/Jehovah on earth, and finally at the end of the Millennial Reign Rev. 20:10.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]The references to Satan’s many attempts in Scripture to pervert God’s Words can be examined by anybody, so space will not be used here for such.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]The remarkable thing to notice in all the events where Satan is involved is the fact that he always wanted/wants to deliberately change the meaning of the Words that God has given! Why would he do that? Well the answer quite simply is that to do so contravenes the Will of Almighty God! Why would Satan want to contravene God’s Will? To thwart His Plans! Why would Satan want to thwart God’s Plans? Because, if he was successful he would conquer God on God’s own Territory, which is His Love, His Word, His Promises, and His Fidelity to all His pronouncements in Scripture; and His Holy Being![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Here we have the core of the matter! God has in the past made firm promises to mankind, starting in Genesis 3:15, (which through the Roman Church, Satan has tried to attribute to Mary, instead of Jesus).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]What then is the plan of Satan?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Satan's strategy is:-[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]1) To obtain the knowledge of Creation (Jer. 31:35-37,) (this has been sought avidly by science since approx. AD 1850.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]2) To destroy the earth by degradation of all means. (This has accelerated since the start of the Industrial Revolution.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]3) To destroy Israel. (This has increased in intensity since the 2nd world war.)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]4) To destroy faith in God/ Christ. (Satan is permitted to do his best/worst, to kill or prevent belief, faith, or love in Christ!)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]1) Satan has been trying to obtain the knowledge of Creation from the beginning, and is behind the work of Darwin and others to this purpose. He will not admit defeat, and will persevere in this up to the “[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Day of the Lord[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]2) The attempts to degrade the earth’s environment has accelerated since the Industrial Revolution in the UK, and is a strong sign of the times we are living in, accelerating towards the “[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]Day of The Lord[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt]”.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]3) This effort of Satan has been underway since Abram. As the promises were made by Jehovah God to His people, Satan’s efforts have increased, as was evidenced by the 2ndWorld War. The fact that the religious life of Israel is dominated by Pharisees, the same group that denied and organized Christ’s crucifixion via the Romans, does not help their situation, nor their denial of Satan as a powerful entity against God, and themselves! Satan’s purpose is to eliminate Israel, so that he can negate God’s promises to the Patriarchs! God has stated categorically that Israel will always exist, and Satan is extremely active in trying to thwart that Promise! Israel, since becoming a Nation again in 1948, are probably close to the OT promised culminations, but unfortunately, have yet to suffer more.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]They have yet to experience a false leader and situation, which will thankfully be short lived! [/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]4) Satan’s current major thrust is to try to destroy the message of God in Christ. Since the Reformation in the 16th century he has lost his grip on the Word of God through the Roman Church, (although it has crept back to quite a large degree). He has quite successfully transferred corruption and confusion to many Protestant groups, to the extent that many people are held under one form of bondage or another! How has he done this? Quite simply by the same methods he used in the Roman case. He has used the minds of men to distort the Words of God, especially in Christ Jesus. The reformation ethos of re-examining the basic Principles of Doctrine were/are fertile ground for him![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Many new Groups and Sects that have proliferated since the Reformation have proved fertile ground for the wiles of Satan, and the confusion of mankind. More than one good man has said that Satan’s best recruiting ground is in the Pulpit, not in the fleshpots of the world! At the present, it is these people that Satan wants to add to his list of converts, which at present includes 1/3 of all heavens angels![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]How then to be sure of being in the Truth of God in Christ, and not be beguiled by Satan’s lies and subtlety?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]One of the most profound Truths of Jesus, is that He makes us free! The many and varied “rules” and complex “interpretations” of Satan’s preachers and teachers are so formulated, that even they can’t explain with clarity what they are talking about! Any person can go to the Bible, and prayerfully ask for understanding, for the love of God in Christ to be theirs! Any teacher that puts conditions on this, is not in Truth![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Any teacher or Group that states that the Israel of the Old Testament has not got a future, and have been disowned by Jehovah God and are replaced by the “Church”, are not telling the truth, and should be ignored. This teaching is sometimes linked to that of “Election”, and states that we have no choice in the matter of Salvation, only those “selected by God” are “Elect” and “Foreknown”. For more on this subject see: [/SIZE][SIZE=13.5pt]Is Our Freewill Of Value Or Is Everything Predestined?[/SIZE] [SIZE=13.5pt](Separate study)[/SIZE] [SIZE=14pt]Calvinist "Works" Teaching[/SIZE][SIZE=14pt] (Separate study)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]Any teacher or Group that try to use words to bamboozle the seeker, and any form of threat or insult, should be ignored; and the seeker can rest assured in the simple message of Christ Jesus, that all who believe in Him will have eternal life (John 3:16)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]By these methods, the seeker will find peace and Salvation in Jesus the Christ of Almighty God; and by reading the Bible, as a friend, will come to know more of the Mind of Christ/God![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]There is no doubt that our Lord is the most gentle Saviour, but Christ (The Anointed of Jehovah) has to deal with the evil of which most of us are unaware, and in the timing of Jehovah (Rev. 6,) that dealing leading to the ultimate conquering of Satan is underway. In that context, Satan expected the victory when Christ died on the accursed tree, but instead Christ gained victory over death, and became the first fruit of propitiation (the saved) to the Father, (Jehovah God). So Satan’s plans and motivations will come to nothing eventually![/SIZE]
Thank you again for caring!

Only a head's up, that is, the Godman Jesus "ultimate conquering of Satan" has already came to pass waaay back at the Cross.

Old Jack that appreciates all the work, ie, kick started my day - btw no one has "Free-will."
 

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[SIZE=14pt]So we see that the Ages old conflict between Almighty God and Satan is coming to a Climax; many think very soon![/SIZE]
[SIZE=14pt]However; in the process, many good hearted people (including Christians) are being drawn into the plans of Satan, and are aiding his efforts on earth at this present time![/SIZE]
Floyd.
 

RANDOR

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That only happens during the day time.


“Satan disguises himself as an angel of light,” ......it means that Satan capitalizes on our love of the light in order to deceive..... He wants us to think that he is good, truthful, loving, and powerful – all the things that God is. ....To portray himself as a dark, devilish being with horns would not be very appealing to the majority of people. .........Most people are not drawn to darkness, but to light......... Therefore, Satan appears as a creature of light to draw us to himself and his lies.


Kinda like................try this drug...it's popular...and you will be liked....but the dude doesn't tell you that all along his course of action was your death before you come to know Christ.

Everything is goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood

he will do anything to get his prey....before they come to Christ.............now if he already has them..........then he backs off.
Goes back to being the prince of darkness........nice and quiet like :ph34r:
 

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That only happens during the day time.


“Satan disguises himself as an angel of light,” ......it means that Satan capitalizes on our love of the light in order to deceive..... He wants us to think that he is good, truthful, loving, and powerful – all the things that God is. ....To portray himself as a dark, devilish being with horns would not be very appealing to the majority of people. .........Most people are not drawn to darkness, but to light......... Therefore, Satan appears as a creature of light to draw us to himself and his lies.


Kinda like................try this drug...it's popular...and you will be liked....but the dude doesn't tell you that all along his course of action was your death before you come to know Christ.

Everything is goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood


he will do anything to get his prey....before they come to Christ.............now if he already has them..........then he backs off.
Goes back to being the prince of darkness........nice and quiet like :ph34r:
Have you ever tested this knowledge or blindly excepted in good faith?
 

RANDOR

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Purity said:
Have you ever tested this knowledge or blindly excepted in good faith?
OK.........Sir Purity...............we will do this one more time........before you go into full Alzheimer's.

I've told you over and over and over......and over.

Ok lets start here.....you don't come to know God without coming to also know your adversary.

And I want to thank you for the easy question :)

Listen to me with all your heart this time..................trust me................i know i know......just trust me this once.

You can take those scriptures and pretty much make them into what ever anyone wants to make them into.
But..........if someone is going to just do that all their lives....then that's all their doing.

Purity........one must experience God..........I'm not some flower child here :)

I own a construction company....so we pretty much hard core construction workers :)

Anyway.............I've not tested as you say this knowledge............I was shown........personally.
James 4:8...........is the kicker here......but I think in your case......with all do respect......is for you
to close that book...........seriously...........and go and ask God to show Himself to you.

I'm unique I'm starting to find out.....since many have never been touched by Christ....mainly since many haven't reached out and touched His garment.

And Purity, it is by true evidence not by faith...granted my faith is solid because of the fact.
But I have seen demons
I have seen evil....true evil......no wonder God can't look upon it.....
But......I was drawing closer to God.........but not letting the scriptures dictate the happenings....
but all scriptures agree with the happenings.

that's why I've always said...Jesus wants to be experienced not studied.

There is no guess work here............sure you can read and read and read about Jesus and God and evry other character in there....but wouldn't it be better if ya met Jesus.

I know so many that have.........but they were desperate........no way out......one last choice.......so they chose Jesus

AND WHAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM He shows up.

Oh---------and since we be talkin about the prince of darkness.................he will also show up if call him..........but....I'd hold off on that one.
But of course......if ya saw him.................your thesis on hell might change :)

They are both alive and well...right now...right here.........

I wish you were my neighbor..........i'd show you this stuff.........sure save a lot of typing :)
 

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OK.........Sir Purity...............we will do this one more time........before you go into full Alzheimer's.

I've told you over and over and over......and over.

Ok lets start here.....you don't come to know God without coming to also know your adversary.

And I want to thank you for the easy question :)

Listen to me with all your heart this time..................trust me................i know i know......just trust me this once.

You can take those scriptures and pretty much make them into what ever anyone wants to make them into.
But..........if someone is going to just do that all their lives....then that's all their doing.

Purity........one must experience God..........I'm not some flower child here :)

I own a construction company....so we pretty much hard core construction workers :)

Anyway.............I've not tested as you say this knowledge............I was shown........personally.
James 4:8...........is the kicker here......but I think in your case......with all do respect......is for you
to close that book...........seriously...........and go and ask God to show Himself to you.

I'm unique I'm starting to find out.....since many have never been touched by Christ....mainly since many haven't reached out and touched His garment.

And Purity, it is by true evidence not by faith...granted my faith is solid because of the fact.
But I have seen demons
I have seen evil....true evil......no wonder God can't look upon it.....
But......I was drawing closer to God.........but not letting the scriptures dictate the happenings....
but all scriptures agree with the happenings.

that's why I've always said...Jesus wants to be experienced not studied.

There is no guess work here............sure you can read and read and read about Jesus and God and evry other character in there....but wouldn't it be better if ya met Jesus.

I know so many that have.........but they were desperate........no way out......one last choice.......so they chose Jesus

AND WHAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM He shows up.

Oh---------and since we be talkin about the prince of darkness.................he will also show up if call him..........but....I'd hold off on that one.
But of course......if ya saw him.................your thesis on hell might change :)

They are both alive and well...right now...right here.........

I wish you were my neighbor..........i'd show you this stuff.........sure save a lot of typing :)
I will ask you again "have you tested this knowledge" in the BIBLE? or have you just simply accepted it blindly.

P.

a yes or no answer will suffice ;)
 

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Purity said:
I will ask you again "have you tested this knowledge" in the BIBLE? or have you just simply accepted it blindly.

P.

a yes or no answer will suffice ;)
Don't fall into his trap Randor; he is of the enemy!
Floyd.
 

RANDOR

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Purity said:
I will ask you again "have you tested this knowledge" in the BIBLE? or have you just simply accepted it blindly.

P.

a yes or no answer will suffice ;)
Purity.............really.........i mean really..................you have got to be kidding me.....
I'm sorry.............but that was my answer.

There is more to God's life for you than that bible..........

there is more to your body than your toe nails.

Accepted it blindly?
DUDE I'M IT

I'm living your bible...........................................you're reading it.
But be careful...............the movie will be out shortly.