dorian37grey
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does God need Jesus for us to be acceptable to him ?
simple answer---" yes "
before Jesus we have the verse ; none are good ; no not one !
now the complex answer
* Jesus existed before his birth from Mary
* Jesus had been to the earth before his birth from Mary
examples
--- the walking in the garden
--- talking with Abraham before the birth of Isaac
but later ; we have that verse ....
none are good ; no not one !
showing we are not acceptable to God at this point
so; what has changed?
answer ---> what Jesus did
the problem ; "genesis pre-flood"
and yes; there is a problem because this time period ends with a flood
original sin
adam and eve "ate" of the tree
but also --- 10 commandments they broke number one
no other gods before me
as they listen to the serpent ( eat) ; instead of God 's dont eat
they left the family of God at this point --- this is the problem !
this is what needs to be fixed !
we will never be acceptable to God ; until this problem is fixed *** and THAT is what Jesus does
ISSUES TO FIX THE PROBLEM
we next see time periods in the bible
each time period is marked by a woman
each time period presents an issue
each issue has no man that can qualify for it ; for all of mankind
GENESIS POST-FLOOD ; "TAMAR"- issue ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK
God divides mankind into seven divisions to show his story to serve his purpose in fixing this problem
Jesus will come into the world thru
SHEM ------------------------------------ NOT #1 JAPHETH
------------------------------------------- NOT #2 HAM
ABRAHAM ------------------------------- NOT # 3 LOT
ISAAC ----------------------------------- NOT #4 ISHMAEL
JACOB ----------------------------------- NOT #5 ESAU
these not's are the common people seen as the common ( barley loaves of bread ) in the feeding of the 5000
but there was also 2 fish in that story and they are used to present this story to the world by God
when Jacob is dying ; he does what has never been done before ....
he splits the family birth-rite promises that God has given to Abraham's family line
HIS BROTHERS lead by the sons of
JOSEPH --who become --NORTHERN TRIBES #6
JUDAH--- who become -- SOUTHERN TRIBES #7
* SHEM IS MELCHIZEDEK ; the above starts this order ; it is this order that is this story of how THE PROBLEM IS FIXED
but genesis post flood does not end before TAMAR enters the picture
she is from ESAU -#5 whose wife was the daughter of #4 ISHMAEL
JOURNEY TO THE PROMISED LAND ; "RAHAB" --- issue THE LAW ( 10 commandments )
these 10 are NOT a do or dont list ; but rather a list of what mankind did in genesis pre-flood !
NO ONE gets into the promised land before "RAHAB" joins this group
and she comes from HAM #2
TIME OF JUDGES ; "RUTH"; issue KINSMAN REDEEMER
RAHAB has a son BOAZ
IT IS HE ; who kinsman redeems RUTH
and she is a Moabite
WHATS THAT ? that is the son of LOT #3 and his daughter
WHAT MUST A KINSMAN REDEEMER DO ?
If a man was so poor as not being able to pay his debts he was sold into slavery . However he could escape this only if he had a qualified KINSMAN REDEEMER. This redeemer would have to meet 3 conditions
1- he would have to have the price of the debt
2- he would have to pay the price
3- he would have to be of kin
DAVID, THE KING ; "BATHSHEBA" issue KINGSHIP
BOAZ & RUTH have a child ; Obed has a son Jessie who has 8 sons
? why DAVID and not one of the others ?
answer --- JAPHETH / BATHSHEBA
BATHSHEBA ( yes) is from JAPHETH #1
and when DAVID marries her ; this makes David unique
DAVID is the FIRST PERSON BORN after the flood kin to all of mankind ( 1-7)
THE PROBLEM IS PRESENTED
THE ISSUE ARE SHOWN
BUT -- no man can fix these issues to bring mankind back into the family of God ( KINSMAN REDEEM)
so what do we see here ? what happens next?
PROPHETS AND CAPTIVITY ( SLAVERY)
as the old testament ends ; the world awaits a savior ; a kinsman redeemer
NEW TESTAMENT
JESUS IS BORN --- into the ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK
JESUS LIVES -- and fulfills the LAW
JESUS DIES --- and pays the price and becomes THE KINSMAN REDEEMER
JESUS WILL RETURN --- as the KING OF KINGS
THE PROBLEM OF MANKIND --- LOSS OF FAMILY WITH GOD
THE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED BY ONLY JESUS
MANKIND left that family by unbelief
ONLY BELIEF IN A KINSMAN REDEEMER can restore family again
if you dont claim JESUS as LORD -SAVIOR-KIN/FAMILY
then you not family of GOD
? WHAT ARE WE JUDGED ON? ( TIMES OF JUDGES --- FAMILY restored or not )
yes ; ONLY JESUS MAKES US FAMILY AND ACCEPTABLE TO GOD AS THAT FAMILY
simple answer---" yes "
before Jesus we have the verse ; none are good ; no not one !
now the complex answer
* Jesus existed before his birth from Mary
* Jesus had been to the earth before his birth from Mary
examples
--- the walking in the garden
--- talking with Abraham before the birth of Isaac
but later ; we have that verse ....
none are good ; no not one !
showing we are not acceptable to God at this point
so; what has changed?
answer ---> what Jesus did
the problem ; "genesis pre-flood"
and yes; there is a problem because this time period ends with a flood
original sin
adam and eve "ate" of the tree
but also --- 10 commandments they broke number one
no other gods before me
as they listen to the serpent ( eat) ; instead of God 's dont eat
they left the family of God at this point --- this is the problem !
this is what needs to be fixed !
we will never be acceptable to God ; until this problem is fixed *** and THAT is what Jesus does
ISSUES TO FIX THE PROBLEM
we next see time periods in the bible
each time period is marked by a woman
each time period presents an issue
each issue has no man that can qualify for it ; for all of mankind
GENESIS POST-FLOOD ; "TAMAR"- issue ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK
God divides mankind into seven divisions to show his story to serve his purpose in fixing this problem
Jesus will come into the world thru
SHEM ------------------------------------ NOT #1 JAPHETH
------------------------------------------- NOT #2 HAM
ABRAHAM ------------------------------- NOT # 3 LOT
ISAAC ----------------------------------- NOT #4 ISHMAEL
JACOB ----------------------------------- NOT #5 ESAU
these not's are the common people seen as the common ( barley loaves of bread ) in the feeding of the 5000
but there was also 2 fish in that story and they are used to present this story to the world by God
when Jacob is dying ; he does what has never been done before ....
he splits the family birth-rite promises that God has given to Abraham's family line
HIS BROTHERS lead by the sons of
JOSEPH --who become --NORTHERN TRIBES #6
JUDAH--- who become -- SOUTHERN TRIBES #7
* SHEM IS MELCHIZEDEK ; the above starts this order ; it is this order that is this story of how THE PROBLEM IS FIXED
but genesis post flood does not end before TAMAR enters the picture
she is from ESAU -#5 whose wife was the daughter of #4 ISHMAEL
JOURNEY TO THE PROMISED LAND ; "RAHAB" --- issue THE LAW ( 10 commandments )
these 10 are NOT a do or dont list ; but rather a list of what mankind did in genesis pre-flood !
NO ONE gets into the promised land before "RAHAB" joins this group
and she comes from HAM #2
TIME OF JUDGES ; "RUTH"; issue KINSMAN REDEEMER
RAHAB has a son BOAZ
IT IS HE ; who kinsman redeems RUTH
and she is a Moabite
WHATS THAT ? that is the son of LOT #3 and his daughter
WHAT MUST A KINSMAN REDEEMER DO ?
If a man was so poor as not being able to pay his debts he was sold into slavery . However he could escape this only if he had a qualified KINSMAN REDEEMER. This redeemer would have to meet 3 conditions
1- he would have to have the price of the debt
2- he would have to pay the price
3- he would have to be of kin
DAVID, THE KING ; "BATHSHEBA" issue KINGSHIP
BOAZ & RUTH have a child ; Obed has a son Jessie who has 8 sons
? why DAVID and not one of the others ?
answer --- JAPHETH / BATHSHEBA
BATHSHEBA ( yes) is from JAPHETH #1
and when DAVID marries her ; this makes David unique
DAVID is the FIRST PERSON BORN after the flood kin to all of mankind ( 1-7)
THE PROBLEM IS PRESENTED
THE ISSUE ARE SHOWN
BUT -- no man can fix these issues to bring mankind back into the family of God ( KINSMAN REDEEM)
so what do we see here ? what happens next?
PROPHETS AND CAPTIVITY ( SLAVERY)
as the old testament ends ; the world awaits a savior ; a kinsman redeemer
NEW TESTAMENT
JESUS IS BORN --- into the ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK
JESUS LIVES -- and fulfills the LAW
JESUS DIES --- and pays the price and becomes THE KINSMAN REDEEMER
JESUS WILL RETURN --- as the KING OF KINGS
THE PROBLEM OF MANKIND --- LOSS OF FAMILY WITH GOD
THE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED BY ONLY JESUS
MANKIND left that family by unbelief
ONLY BELIEF IN A KINSMAN REDEEMER can restore family again
if you dont claim JESUS as LORD -SAVIOR-KIN/FAMILY
then you not family of GOD
? WHAT ARE WE JUDGED ON? ( TIMES OF JUDGES --- FAMILY restored or not )
yes ; ONLY JESUS MAKES US FAMILY AND ACCEPTABLE TO GOD AS THAT FAMILY
