Just keep on with it you got stuck in that groove where you hit the off-furrow into the roadside ditch -- <after> three days! Man, make Jesus a lying fool, say he was raised <after three days> while HE, SAID, ever so often He would rise "THE THIRD DAY" OR "IN THREE DAYS" OR "ON THE THIRD DAY" "BY MEANS OF THREE DAYS" - not by means of FOUR days, not on the FOURTH day because that is what <after three days> FOR YOU and no one who knows any wee bit about the English tongue knows that proper usual every day English "after three days", DOES NOT MEAN.
Did Jesus die on Friday?
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Just keep on with it you got stuck in that groove where you hit the off-furrow into the roadside ditch -- <after> three days! Man, make Jesus a lying fool, say he was raised <after three days> while HE, SAID, ever so often He would rise "THE THIRD DAY" OR "IN THREE DAYS" OR "ON THE THIRD DAY" "BY MEANS OF THREE DAYS" - not by means of FOUR days, not on the FOURTH day because that is what <after three days> FOR YOU and no one who knows any wee bit about the English tongue knows that proper usual every day English "after three days", DOES NOT MEAN.
Mr Ronald Nolette, you placed this post of yours -Yesterday at 7:04 PM#339- with reference to a post of mine, this,
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Mark 14–15
Matthew 26–27
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We have four Gospels, and we have ONE day's night in all four Gospels stipulated as per literal time indicating words and phrases, in this 'image'. Would you agree the conclusion to be correct and true in core, essence and detail, literally? So that if we tore out these four passages we would have torn out ONE day's night RECORD?
I'm sure you will agree. Fine, then I have to ask you:
First, You write, this Day's Night was <the day before passover>?
Then why is it written "the first day they killed the passover on"?
Was "the first day they killed the passover on" not <passover>?
It was. If you have any doubt it was, read 2Chronicles 35. To mention only one of MANY Scriptures to the same effect.
But for now I would like to ask you, because you say Jesus Our Passover was killed on Wednesday, 3PM on the 14th day of the month Abib? Don't you say?
You write that <The preparation spoken of by the priests and Scripture is the preparationf for the feast of unleavened bread!> Now I could not agree with you more...or less! Because certainly they could not EAT before they KILLED the passover? Correct!
IN THIS NIGHT THOUGH they ate, but they still had not killed the Passover because in that year the Passover was "Our Passover" "the Passover Lamb of God"! Correct!
Now Mr Nolette, Does this mean ONE NIGHT, THIS DAY'S NIGHT, was the one BEFORE Jesus died?
Was THIS night the first halve PART OF THE DAY on which they killed Our Passover the Passover Lamb of God?
In case you might not be sure, read those four pages and count the instances where "THIS NIGHT" is called in WRITING: "TO-DAY", "THIS NIGHT", "it was NIGHT - THE DAY BEFORE THE FEAST"?
Then Mr Nolette, how many of the "three nights" are LEFT?
So ok, You have it Jesus died on Wednesday, so we're speaking of the night of Tuesday, do we not? Is time reversible? For sure it's not! Tuesday night the first night GONE!
So Wednesday night must be the second night and on Thursday morning it must be the second day of the "three days" left. And the third night HAS to be the Thursday night and Friday morning be the third day --- Wait wait wait! The third day of which or what? The third day of THE "three days" "according to the Scriptures?"
According to the Scriptures then Jesus rose on Friday as per 3PM "mid-afternoon the Sabbath nearing" as per Luke 23:54 and John 19:42?
On your life! For was not Jesus then first BURIED?
But most important now, HOW MANY PAGES are of the Gospels left after the said verses Luke 23:54 and John 19:42 and Jesus was raised from the grave AND DID APPEAR THE DAY AFTER?
There is the night and its day which started when the women started to rest the Sabbath according to the Fourth Commandments from Luke 23:56b--day four. And there is the night and its day the day after the Sabbath was over" from Mark 16:1 on also referred to by John in John 19:10,11 on-- day five. And the night that belonged with or to the First Day of the week when Jesus "early on the First Day appeared risen" or "raised" or "as the Risen One, first to Mary Magdalene" John 19:17 Mark 16:9-- day six!
No wonder some say He rose "after" three days! According to you - who say He rose just after sunset Saturday, Jesus needed FIVE NIGHTS AND SIX DAYS AND ON THE SIXTH NIGHT-OF-DAY HAD TO RISE.
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Yes, from WHICHEVER 'approach' it is DOUBLE God's which were "three days and three nights"--so typically human righteousness of WORKS--the Law's works plus not the Law's works, BEAT IT MUST BEAT GOD'S BEST BY AT LEAST TWICE AS MUCH.
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Ronald Nolette
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I do not say that. Jesus died on Friday on Nisan 14
YOu say this because you seek to force only one day of preparation and that being the preparation of the Passover! Well teh disciples asaked Jesus where they should prepare the passover and they ate the Passover. After the passover (late Thurs eve) they went to the garden, arrested tired, etc.
Now after all that you insist that Jesus died on the day of preparation for the passover when as a good Jew who fulfilled ALL points of the law- he would have had to eaten the passover meal before passover! Not even a 0% chance of that.
God tells us Jesus died the day before teh Sabbath.
God tell sus that that paticular Sabbath was a high day!. Now go learn Jewish cuylture and learn that the day of preparation is the day of cleansing ones house of all leaven in accord with the law!
Go also learn that teh day before Passavoer, the priests would not scurry about all over the place- they would have been at the temple slaughtering thousand so flambs for passover. These are unalterable facts.
A man checks into a motel at 3:00pm on Friday. He leaves the hotel on Sunday morning. Does the motel charge him for two nights or three?
Be kind to the retarded, my friend - explain to me where ever, where once, I spoke or wrote what insisted <Jesus died on the day of preparation for the passover> -- look at YOUR little big word here : <for>. It makes some difference for you. Watch: Jesus tells three of his disciple, "Go and prepare FOR passover so that we MIGHT eat MIGHT keep MIGHT kill the passover". Now that is 'preparation FOR the passover' - most beautiful instance of use John 10:42, "DUE TO [dia] Preparation of the Jews" which That Day began as always 3PM Friday for the Sabbath. One 'prepares' FOR something prospective, not for something that already is ongoing? Hoe's jou hart dan nou? the disciple thought Judas was going to buy something "for the feast" - THE NEXT DAY -- that is to say after the following daylight OF THAT DAY, and would begin "EVENING HAVING COME" - 'opsias genomenehs ehdeh epei Paraskeueh ehn' Mark 15:42 ==== have a look, just posted some sort of scheme
Therefore no my friend, John says in 19:14 "It was 6 AM Preparation OF, Passover" that is to say "it was 6AM Preparation-Passover" Abib 14 2Chronicles 35 et al!
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2:30AM .. tired .. God send us good rest Thank you for the old and thank you for the new day Lord I love you my Saviour God
Davy
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Jesus and His disciples did NOT eat the last supper on the passover, but prior to the passover feast.
John 13:1-2
1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end.
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray Him;
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Matthew 26:20 says Jesus 'sat down' with the twelve Apostles. The passover requirement was to eat the passover standing girded and ready to leave, per Exodus 12:11. Thus sitting reveals further they were not eating the passover.
That last supper happened after sunset Tuesday (Nisan 13) which began Nisan 14 (see Mark 14:12-18; Luke 22:7). Nisan 14 was the preparation day when Jesus was crucified (at evening), and was the requirement of the passover lamb to be killed at evening on 14 Nisan per Exodus 12.
Thus the last supper happened on Nisan 14, but in the evening after sunset when Nisan 13 ended. It was that night of Nisan 14 when Judas left the supper to betray Jesus, and the Pharisee's soldiers came to arrest Jesus in the garden, and then from that same night and then day was Jesus' trial and then delivering up to be crucified, and He gave up the ghost that evening of Nisan 14 just prior to sunset. Nisan 15 that would begin at sunset was to be a "high day", meaning a sabbath of no work in addition to the regular weekly sabbath that would come later that same week. So they rushed to bury Jesus' body on the preparation day (Nisan 14) before it ended at sunset, and the high day would begin.
On Nisan 15, because of it being a 'high day' (sabbath per the passover special requirement), the burial of Jesus' body could not be finished. The Nisan 15 was a Thursday from sunset the 14th, to the next sunset. At sunset Thursday would begin the regular weekly sabbath, sunset Friday to sunset Saturday. At sunset Saturday is when the regular weekly sabbath ended, and would begin Sunday, and that is when both Mary's went to Jesus' tomb with spices to finish His burial preparation, and found the tomb open.
6 Days prior to the Passover:
Six Days Before the Passover (John 12:1) - Appendix to the Companion Bible
See this link about the 3 Suppers:
The Three Suppers. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
John 13:1-2
1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved His own which were in the world, He loved them unto the end.
2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray Him;
KJV
Matthew 26:20 says Jesus 'sat down' with the twelve Apostles. The passover requirement was to eat the passover standing girded and ready to leave, per Exodus 12:11. Thus sitting reveals further they were not eating the passover.
That last supper happened after sunset Tuesday (Nisan 13) which began Nisan 14 (see Mark 14:12-18; Luke 22:7). Nisan 14 was the preparation day when Jesus was crucified (at evening), and was the requirement of the passover lamb to be killed at evening on 14 Nisan per Exodus 12.
Thus the last supper happened on Nisan 14, but in the evening after sunset when Nisan 13 ended. It was that night of Nisan 14 when Judas left the supper to betray Jesus, and the Pharisee's soldiers came to arrest Jesus in the garden, and then from that same night and then day was Jesus' trial and then delivering up to be crucified, and He gave up the ghost that evening of Nisan 14 just prior to sunset. Nisan 15 that would begin at sunset was to be a "high day", meaning a sabbath of no work in addition to the regular weekly sabbath that would come later that same week. So they rushed to bury Jesus' body on the preparation day (Nisan 14) before it ended at sunset, and the high day would begin.
On Nisan 15, because of it being a 'high day' (sabbath per the passover special requirement), the burial of Jesus' body could not be finished. The Nisan 15 was a Thursday from sunset the 14th, to the next sunset. At sunset Thursday would begin the regular weekly sabbath, sunset Friday to sunset Saturday. At sunset Saturday is when the regular weekly sabbath ended, and would begin Sunday, and that is when both Mary's went to Jesus' tomb with spices to finish His burial preparation, and found the tomb open.
6 Days prior to the Passover:
Six Days Before the Passover (John 12:1) - Appendix to the Companion Bible
See this link about the 3 Suppers:
The Three Suppers. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
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Here's the WHOLE problem, one's definition of what "the passover" was-- as here with you in this case:
Passover was "THREE DAYS INDISTINGUISHABLE THICK DARKNESS" for which three days and three nights all Egyptians SAT in one place in the same, "painful" position of DARKNESS or alternatively were forced by the unction of the Almighty to rise and rush to their own DARKNESS OF DESTRUCTION -- urged and prompted on by "My Presence" that "THAT SELFSAME DAY" also went with all of Israel every step of the way "OUT of Egypt", "THROUGH the wilderness" and "through the Red SEA" and "UP, OUT of the Red Sea" and "IN INTO the Land I-AM Promised" to be "PLANTED" on the New Land's shores.
What was the DAY OF DEATH and of the KILLING of the passover VICTIM, WAS, INDEED, "THIS THAT SELFSAME BONE-ESSENTIAL-DAY" [etsem yohm]-- "The Passover", "the fourteenth day of the First Month", "THE FEAST" of REDEMPTION AND SALVATION "THIS THAT DAY - THIS THAT SELFSAME NIGHT" Exodus 12:14,18,40,41,51.
Check That Selfsame Day in JESUS' LIFE HIS DAY OF DEATH - it is identically "THE SELFSAME DAY" to the "day", to the "hour', to the "night", to the EVENT Antitypical.
"On the first day they killed the passover", "always killed the passover". "HAD TO kill the passover"---it is THERE stipulated Luke 22:7 Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 John 13:1 and every Gospel correlating on EVENT of the Lord's Supper at Luke 22:14 Mark 14:17 Matthew 26:20 John 13:30.
What doubt do you BREED that it was not The Passover OF YAHWEH "THAT DAY" of : "DARKNESS", of "great CRY and bewailing", of "DEATH" of The First Born of God?!
About the second "first day" of the passover, its "first day seven days of unleavened bread EAT" you have the right understanding: That, it, "the fifteenth day of the First Month, IS THE FEAST" : the feast day of the passover and therefore, was, "passover" -- JUST LIKE "the Preparation of the Passover" John 19:14, was, "passover" -- "the Passover Preparation" in fact. So you had "passover": 1. "Preparation-Passover" by name; and 2. "Passover Feast" by name of the day. And "after two days" as per Hosea 6, there also was "the third day" to come, BY NAME, in Matthew the fulfilling of Hosea, "the weekly SABBATH" -- "the day which is after the Preparation which was the Fore-Sabbath - 'Friday' or 'the Sixth Day'. And to SEAL the truth here, after these two days there came "the Sabbath the Day BEFORE the First Day of the week" - NATURALLY! Or truly as "APPOINTED BY GOD" (Acts 17).
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<last supper happened after sunset Tuesday (Nisan 13) which began Nisan 14 (see Mark 14:12-18; Luke 22:7). Nisan 14 was the preparation day> This also could have been Correct and Amen had you stuck to only, the Text and all, the text which does not, say what you added, that the Last Supper happened after sunset : <Tuesday> Nisan 13 which began Nisan 14 Mark 14:12-18 Luke 22:7; and does not, say what you omitted, that Nisan 14 "was The Preparation Day OF PASSOVER".
Then unfortunately you simply discarded the text with having stated: <day when Jesus was crucified (at evening), and was the requirement of the passover lamb to be killed>. <after sunset..at evening> was not, <the requirement of (time of day) the passover lamb (had) to be killed>. "Ereb"-"late" could be either late in daylight time or late in the after-daylight time. The passover however had to be killed "BETWEEN the late QUARTERS of daylight time" - "BETWEEN"-"BEHN-ha-arba-yihm", exactly "mid-afternoon" 3PM between "the"-"ha", 3rd and 4th "QUARTERS"-"arba", "of-days'-light"-"yihm". There are NO, NIGHT sacrifices in the entire Bible. (Except those of pagans and idolaters.)
See for yourself how you yourself multiply the original only, three, days of night then daylight-time each. There were only "three days" which were comprised of, only, 1 day and 1 night each. But you place Crucifixion and Burial within, on, the same, 1, day, 'BEFORE SUNSET' instead of AFTER sunset "and it was evening ALREADY" when only, "Joseph, came there"! Read your Bible with the mind of Christ, not the mind of the PAPAL SLAVE!
Again your WHOLE scheme depends on WORKS righteousness. Without <a sabbath of no work> your house of cards tumbles in shreds of thinnest of crinkle paper.
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<the burial of Jesus' body could not be finished.> Consider the utter baselessness of what you say, because it's YOU saying not God saying in SCRIPTURE. <At sunset Thursday would begin the regular weekly sabbath> NO! You're talking directly CONTRARY SCRIPTURE! Where do you read of a night or two nights between the night that began sunset beginning the regular weekly Sabbath? Never mind you calling it <sunset Thursday would begin the regular weekly sabbath>; you can call it anything, the question is where you get any extra days from to build your theory with! You already have had Tuesday night starting crucifixion day; you already have had Wednesday night starting high day of passover; now you jump from Thursday sunset that would begin Friday to Thursday sunset that started the weekly Sabbath and after that would come Friday sunset, and after that sunset Saturday that would begin Sunday's night which YOU SAY JESUS ROSE ON? FIVE nights?! Who can keep count with such confusedness?
Stick to the Scripture's nights and days in the history of the actual events which happened on each. The charts will show you with ONLY SCRIPTURE.
Re: <at sunset Saturday is when the regular weekly sabbath ended, and would begin Sunday, and that is when both Mary's went to Jesus' tomb with spices to finish His burial preparation, and found the tomb open> There so many mistakes in this if Windows could recognise them it would pop up a notice reading 'too many mistakes'.
For one for now: Re: <at sunset Saturday is .. when both Mary's went to Jesus' tomb>.
Ronald Nolette
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Doesn't matter whjat the hotel charges. what matters is how Jews calculated days and a 24 hour period or any portion thereof was considered a day!
But hotels charge by the night. If they charged by the day it would be three days!
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