Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

[Eternally Grateful]

To see the Isreal factor. Go to Abraham’s covenant

In you (your seed) shall all nations of world be blessed

This is for Jew and gentile.

 

[Hiddenthings]

if a man chooses to believe a lie
rather than the truth , whose fault is that . it would be the fault of such a one .
The sheep , whose love would be of the truth , of the LORD , follow the bidding of the SPIRIT
which guides them into all TRUTH .
And when sheep see those in any dissumalation , in sin and error
Correction time .
Let love be WITHOUT dissumlation .
And yet the version of todays love i see in most churches
has caused GREAT DISSUMLATION from the TRUTH .
PUAL corrected dissumlation . As he did with peter and all others if he seen error .
Many today seem to love this love that dissumulates FROM the one true gospel
FROM the one true JESUS the CHRIST .
And it has led them into only greater and greater darkness .
LOVE , if it be of GOD , would have REJOICED IN THE TRUTH , not in a lie , not in inquity , IN TRUTH .
And every lovely word of the LORD , IS TRUTH . AS HE IS TRUTH and in HIM IS no darkness
The LOVE OF GOD shed upon the heart of the sheep
is not like the love of the world . But do beware
for the love of the world can come cloaked as though tis love
and with good works , But it will come to shut out the TRUTH of the GOSPEL
and make the road to GOD very broad , sin accepting , unbeleif accepting . The devil is a liar
and he can twist any word , any scrip and will always present
twisted truths to implant a lie and NOT THE TRUTH . FOR THERE IS NO TRUTH IN HIIM .

True love, rooted in God, rejoices in truth, not in lies or compromise and many today have embraced a false version of love that hides the truth of the Gospel and leads people into error.

It's my view that if a Christian were to understand the true Gospel completely and utterly, they would struggle to accept its reality...this is why they cling to man-made ideals like "heaven going" and many other teachings like it.

 

[Lambano]

Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?​

Don’t worry; there still seems to be plenty still left.

 

[MatthewG]

Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?​

Don’t worry; there still seems to be plenty still left.

Dang his blood didn't do anything then.

1 john 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


That would mean believer, and unbeliever alike.



Propitiation- Propitiation is a theological term that refers to the act of appeasing or satisfying the wrath of God due to human sin. It is a concept deeply rooted in the sacrificial system of the Old Testament and finds its ultimate fulfillment in the New Testament through the atoning work of Jesus Christ.





While the Wrath of God was still poured upon the people whom rejected God and Yeshua and put Yeshua to death, that was foretold to happen in the old testament, and the Apostolic record.

God kept that promise.

Today, because of Jesus, God is no longer mad at the world period.



The only sin that remains is that of a heart that doesn't care or give anything honor to God period, and that stim from Choice.

Though Jesus and his blood covers their sins. They actively choose to not want a life with him, and God set up a place from them outside of the Kingdom of God... according to Revelation.

 

[Scott Downey]

Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?​

Don’t worry; there still seems to be plenty still left.

John 8:21
Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

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21 Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

22 So the Jews said, “Will He kill Himself, because He says, ‘Where I go you cannot come’?”

23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

25 Then they said to Him, “Who are You?”

And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning. 26 I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him.”

27 They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father.

 

[MatthewG]

John 8:21
Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

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21 Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

22 So the Jews said, “Will He kill Himself, because He says, ‘Where I go you cannot come’?”

23 And He said to them, “You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

25 Then they said to Him, “Who are You?”

And Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning. 26 I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I heard from Him.”

27 They did not understand that He spoke to them of the Father.

So either Jesus took care of the sin or he just a failure. Thats the way I look at it.



People can continue to say look at the world ya ya, but Jesus blood covered it already.

 

[marks]

The believing gentiles are joined into the 'commonwealth of Israel'

Ephesians 2:12-19 KJV
12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17) And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

This says we were aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, with the significance that we had no access to God.

It does NOT say that we are brought into the commonwealth of Israel, it says we are fellowcitizens with the saints, and the household of God, but look at what our citizenship is:

Philippians 3:20-21 LITV
20) For our citizenship is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21) who will transform our body of humiliation, for it to be conformed to His body of glory, according to the working of Him to be able even to subject all things under Himself.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Amen. It’s sad that it happens from those who represent God (at least claim they do)

We truly benefit from self-awareness, that is, if we are willing to be real.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes. We see what we want to see not what it says. I have been guilty myself. May still be in some areas

I think we will spend the rest of our lives continuing to learn from the Bible. At least I've not reached the end yet! However deep I go, I find Scripture goes deeper still!

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think we will spend the rest of our lives continuing to learn from the Bible. At least I've not reached the end yet! However deep I go, I find Scripture goes deeper still!

Much love!

I like what Paul said. He continues to run the race.

If Paul had not arrived yet. who are we to think we have

 

[MatthewG]

I like what Paul said. He continues to run the race.

If Paul had not arrived yet. who are we to think we have

Keep running the race until you die cause that is what happened to Paul. The Bride of Christ whom was taken, they all seen Yeshua, died and was taken, at least that is what I believe.


You are responsible for how you build up yourself in the spiritual things of Christ, the spiritual man/woman, because at the end of your life, you receive your reward, be it a resurrection of life, or resurrection of the dead (which is better than the normal resurrection) Which Paul spoke of there.

 

[Scott Downey]

Ephesians 2:12-19 KJV
12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17) And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

This says we were aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, with the significance that we had no access to God.

It does NOT say that we are brought into the commonwealth of Israel, it says we are fellowcitizens with the saints, and the household of God, but look at what our citizenship is:

Philippians 3:20-21 LITV
20) For our citizenship is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21) who will transform our body of humiliation, for it to be conformed to His body of glory, according to the working of Him to be able even to subject all things under Himself.

Much love!

If we were aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, and now are brought near, and are fellow citizens with the saints and household of God, that means we are the Israel of God now in Christ, same as believing Jews in the covenants of God. This is implied by what Paul says, that believing Jews are brethren to believing gentiles. They are of the same new covenant in Christ. That is how I read this. There are not 2 people of God, for we are all one in Christ. And we both will have the same inheritance in the Saints.

— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Galatians 6

Glory Only in the Cross​

11 See with what large letters I have written to you with my own hand! 12 As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ. 13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by [b]whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation.

Blessing and a Plea​

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

17 From now on let no one trouble me, for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.

 

[pandaflower]

Sadly OSAS seems attributed to Calvinism. So when you’re trying to defeat what you claim is an enemy (which many claim calvinists are their enemy). They must defeat all their beliefs. OSAs being one of them

Most of what I see in the anti OSAS group is anti Calvin at the heart of you can see it by how the see things we do
Not even believe (usually a Calvinist view) and can not comprehend that we do
Not believe what they accuse us

It seems so.

Calvinism being the go-to word so to imply someone charged as a Calvinist is therefore not Christian.
It's a shame.
Though it does have a silver lining. Those accusers are showing they don't read their Bible as closely as they should.

 

[marks]

There are not 2 people of God, for we are all one in Christ.

Yes, we are one in Christ, but not that we are one in Jacob. I'm not sure what to add at this point, I feel like I understand your POV on this, though I don't agree.

As always, thank you for pleasant discussion!

Much love!

 

[Davy]

so God needs proof?

I wonder if you are able... to read... the simple Bible Scripture below, especially that part in red:

Acts 17:29-30
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
KJV


Rom 5:13-14
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of Him That was to come.
KJV

 

[Lizbeth]

Ephesians 2:12-19 KJV
12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14) For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15) Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16) And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17) And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18) For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

This says we were aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, with the significance that we had no access to God.

It does NOT say that we are brought into the commonwealth of Israel, it says we are fellowcitizens with the saints, and the household of God, but look at what our citizenship is:

Philippians 3:20-21 LITV
20) For our citizenship is in Heaven, from where we also wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
21) who will transform our body of humiliation, for it to be conformed to His body of glory, according to the working of Him to be able even to subject all things under Himself.

Much love!

A commonwealth is a grouping of nations. And the commonwealth of Israel that is being referred to is "the Israel of God", ie, believing Israel, not "Israel after the flesh." So we believing Gentiles of other nations have joined the commonwealth of the Israel of God. We Gentiles are unnatural branches which have been grafted into it, as it were.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes, we are one in Christ, but not that we are one in Jacob. I'm not sure what to add at this point, I feel like I understand your POV on this, though I don't agree.

As always, thank you for pleasant discussion!

Much love!

Honestly there is no difference between believing jew or believing gentile, God says they are both one new man from the 2 of them in Christ.

Colossians 3:11
where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

Ephesians 2:15
having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

 

[marks]

Honestly there is no difference between believing jew or believing gentile, God says they are both one new man from the 2 of them in Christ.

Ephesians 2:15
having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,

I completely agree!

Much love!

 

[Scott Downey]

I completely agree!

Much love!

I added in the Colossians verse to my post.

 

[Scott Downey]

Paul makes the point that all are one in Christ and all are heirs to the promises of God,
There is no separation.
If there was a separation, that would be very depressing and a false gospel of Christ.
Paul really got on Peter about Peter drawing back from fellowshipping with gentiles when certain me came from James, shunning them.
That would be cruel to shun believers according to races of men.
Be like today shunning believing blacks or poor people.

Here is what James says, you can review how Paul also rebukes Peter to his face
It is an evil thing to do to a fellow saint of Christ

My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality. 2 For if there should come into your assembly a man with gold rings, in [a]fine apparel, and there should also come in a poor man in [b]filthy clothes, 3 and you [c]pay attention to the one wearing the fine clothes and say to him, “You sit here in a good place,” and say to the poor man, “You stand there,” or, “Sit here at my footstool,” 4 have you not [d]shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?

5 Listen, my beloved brethren: Has God not chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? 6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Do not the rich oppress you and drag you into the courts? 7 Do they not blaspheme that noble name by which you are called?

8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you [e]show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.