Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

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Question: - Have people, both gentile and Christian at large, stopped sinning?

Thats the wrong question you are asking.

The correct Question is........."why does God not charge sin to the Born again". ? = Paul teaches.

= Romans 4:8
= 2 Corin 5:19
= John 3:17

So, Reader... When you learn the reason why.., they you have finally learned why Jesus died on The Cross, as the "blood Atomement".
 

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Question: - Have people, both gentile and Christian at large, stopped sinning?

If your answer is yes, then I am mystified as to how this was achieved.

If your answer is no, then what I said about people humbling themselves and repenting of their sins is also true, because they will be judged to be righteous because their sins will be covered by the Blood of Christ dying on the cross.
Stop sinning?? What are you getting at? I don't see how that has anything to do with our discussion.

I don't see a connection between your comments after "If your answer is no."
 

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"why does God not charge sin to the Born again". ?

Because they have repented of turning away from God.

But your intrusion into my conversation with Kwun is introducing a new topic which is taking the conversation away from the purpose of title's question of: - Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?
 

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Because they have repented of turning away from God.

The only repentance that God requires of a sinner is to repent from unbelief......as that mean they have now TRUSTED....in Christ., and their.: "faith is counted by God".


- Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

Jesus died for the sin of the : """""world""""".

This word "world" means.......all the people on it.........so, Christ on The Cross has become for them......"God hath made Jesus to be sin for us".......as "the one time eternal sacrifice for sin"..

This is an OFFER.... of that Salvation ......to "all who will believe" who are in the World.

"For God so loved the WORLD".......... of People........ All........that Jesus's offer of becoming their Sin, so that they can become "the righteousness of God in Christ".......is Jesus taking away the sin of the world.......one believer at a time.
 

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The only repentance that God requires of a sinner is to repent

Oh Behold, God in Genesis 12:3 tells us that Abraham's descendants will be a blessing for all the people who inhabit God's fertile soil drawing their nourishment from God Himself. The translators have translated the Hebrew Root Word H:0127 which has the meaning of soil as either "land" or "earth."

This covenantal understanding with Abraham is very clear and is also applicable now even until the final judgement. It is the Refreshed ancient Salvation Covenant.

Shalom
 
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Oh Behold, God in Genesis 12:3 tells us that Abraham's descendants will be a blessing for all the people who inhabit God's fertile soil drawing their nourishment form God Himself. The translators have translated the Hebrew Root Word H:0127 which has the meaning of soil as either "land" or "earth."

This covenantal understanding with Abraham is very clear and is also applicable now even until the final judgement. It is the Refreshed ancient Salvation Covenant.

Sjalom

Paul teaches that Abraham is the "father of our faith"....regarding Christianity.
 

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Ye who practice ........................
as paul himself warned
LET all who name the name of Christ depart from inquity .
There are many who support the rainbow
and other sins , who give their money to the poor
and yet , And yet ....................
They loved their sin and justified their sin and created a jesus that accepts their sin .
But that aint the LOVE GOD sheds upon the heart of the sheep .
MANY will wail scott .
And even many who used THE NAME OF JESUS will wail loudly for they did evil in HIS NAME and JUSTIFED
much evil IN HIS name . Using His name .
I know , i know , i have to be the one that does so remind . But seeing i do desire
not their death , someone gotta do something and these leaders of much of christendom
have no care for the sheep at all . They love something else , and it AINT GOD , AINT CHRIST
and aint the people they do so decieve under them . This sheep warns
and by grace shall continue to do so till the glorious day I go HOME to the KING .
And what a lovely day for the sheep that will be surely be my friend .
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Once upon a time
there lived a peoples
who had been seperated from all nations .
WHOM GOD had established and a temple to honor HIM even built
by the son of a King whose heart was after GOD .
But with many GOD was not well pleased
and as time went on they got worse and worse
used HIS NAME to pratice and do evil
USED his name to DECIEVE the people
and to bet set up on high and have the priase and worship of men .
BUT HOW MUCH WORSE do you suppose it will be
FOR THOSE WHO had USED THE NAME OF THE GREATEST KING , KING JESUS
and then turned and did the same as did the people under the old covenant had done .
CHRISTENDOM IS RIPE WITH the stench of death and most all
now do exactly what ended up DESTROYING those who did such a thing way back when .
BUT i must admit
I truly and deeply shudder in all out fear for this people .
BECAUSE if they did that under the OLD
what the heck is coming upon those who trod the NEW UNDER FOOT . WHO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT
and follow a lie thtey thought was love .
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What is the one key identifying factor
between JESUS and another jesus .
And what is the one key factor which proves which we one love and are of ...........
another jesus WILL twist what THE JESUS said . it will pick and choose what to beleive
and what to alter and remove .
BUT THE JESUS WOULD NOT EVER ONCE have CONTRADICTED HIS OWN WORDS .
many love a lie scott . many love a love that is not OF GOD at all , though it has come even upon
much of christendom cloaked in wool .
Tell me , if i told you that HEY SCOTT , I DO LOVE JESUS , I DO BELEIVE IN HIM
and yet defended non stop MY SIN and rather preached a jesus
that sure seems okay with it , DO YA REALLY THINK I KNOW , OR EVEN LOVE OR EVEN TRULY BELEIVED IN HIM , HIM
or did i just follow the voice of a god that came and promised me salvation
AND MY SIN and made that road DARN BROAD TO GOD .
I am telling us , warning us , REMINDING EVEN THOSE WHO ALREADY KNOW what i say
WE cannot take ANY TIME OFF . cause the devil and his co workers SURE AINT TAKING TIME OFF to deceive .
WE MAKE OUR LAST and FINAL STAND NOW . Dont think oh i can do this tomorrow
WE dont even know if we ourselves will be here on the morrow . WE DO TODAY . forget yesterday
its gone . TODAY IS THE DAY of salvation , JESUS MUST be preached
tomorrow for some will not come , HECK by the signs of the times
the cockadoodle doo might not even be heard . TODAY IS THE DAY SCOTT
we DO TODAY . WE DO TODAY what is best for the peoples , WHICH DO MEAN CORRECTING and
exposing all errors UNTO THE GLORY OF GOD . Now , TO THE TRENCHES my friend . TO the TRENCHES .
till our last breath or the LORD DO COME ,
FAITHFUL UNTO HE and doing all for the sakes of others no matter the cost to us .
AND scott , BELIEVE ME when i say , THE MORE ONE LOVES , THE LESS THEY WILL BE LOVED .
But rememeber REBUKE a wise man and he will love thee . DO all for the sakes of others
no matter the cost to you . AND DO ALL TO THE GLORY OF GOD , that which HONORS HIM . COUNT that cost
because i tell us many had counted the cost through all ages
that many have BLED , IT COST THEM THEIR OWN LIVES . BUT beleive you me , THEY IN A FAR better place now
as will all sheep be one day . AND that IS WHY WE OWE GOD , HIS CHRIST EVERYTHING
cause not you , not me ever once deserved SUCH A LOVELY HOME . ME most of all deserved The
upmost worst of the lake of fire . BUT THANKS TO GOD , TO HIS CHRIST
I DONT GET what i earned and deserved , I HAVE GRACE and A GOOD END . PONDER on that for a while .
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I quite agree. I know of someone, (not on this site), who goes to church and is currently defending God’s rainbow and is saying that it’s wrong for it to be used to symbolize lgbtuvwxyz. However, she has agreed with someone that it isn’t against the Lord to be lgbtuvwxyz. That just makes no sense. Let’s get back to reading our Bibles.
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2 Cor 5.19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.
All sins were imputed to Christ, who paid for the sins, all of them.
All the sins of all time have been paid for, there is nobody (believers) who answers for sins at the judgment seat of Christ. there is nobody (unbelievers) who answers for sins at the Great White Throne.
THIS is the good news we give to unbelievers.
There is no contingency for one's sins being paid for. (see also 2 Pt 2:1) Here, the false teachers and false prophets have been bought. (That is redemption)
I take that 2 Cor 5:19 verse to be a "statement of intent", like how marks put it. It applies to all who receive that as a gift, but not to those who repudiate the gift. We need to look at the whole counsel of God for "balance", by reconciling it all with the help of the Holy Spirit. For instance, there is this passage to consider:

2Co 5:9-11

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
 
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I take that 2 Cor 5:19 verse to be a "statement of intent", like how marks put it. It applies to all who receive that as a gift, but not to those who repudiate the gift. We need to look at the whole counsel of God for "balance", by reconciling it all with the help of the Holy Spirit. For instance, there is this passage to consider:
Regarding your use of "statement of intent." Could you give me 3 Koine Greek examples in the New Testament? I haven't found an English translation using that translation. I am just making sure you are not inventing some grammatical construct that is not found anywhere else.
2Co 5:9-11

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
The word 'bad' is the the Greek word PHAULOS which means worthless.
This verse is a good example of the fact that the word 'sin' never appears in the Judgment Seat of Christ (better translated Rewards Ceremony). Nor does sin appear at the Great White Throne.

Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
 

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Hello Hidden things,

Everyone has been saved from their sins. Yes. This is because of Jesus's shed blood on the cross.

Not everyone has been saved to the Kingdom of God, there is an outside portion where faithless people are at according to Revelation.

This is because of the choice to believe in God, and to trust in his son Yeshua, one is saved unto the Kingdom of God.
When all sins are forgiven,where do those not saved unto the kingdom of God go when they die?
 
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When all sins are forgiven,where do those not saved unto the kingdom of God go when they die?

Hello Pandaflower,

Revelation 22:15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.

That's what I personally believe, yet many reject that this place is even possible to be in the Heavenly Realm.
 

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Regarding your use of "statement of intent." Could you give me 3 Koine Greek examples in the New Testament? I haven't found an English translation using that translation. I am just making sure you are not inventing some grammatical construct that is not found anywhere else.
It's just a manner of speaking. We always need to "hear what the Spirit is saying". Scripture isn't confined to literal grammatical constructs...it is speaking in spirit and must be spiritually discerned.

The word 'bad' is the the Greek word PHAULOS which means worthless.
This verse is a good example of the fact that the word 'sin' never appears in the Judgment Seat of Christ (better translated Rewards Ceremony). Nor does sin appear at the Great White Throne.
So nobody is going to "die in their sins" then....? Sins are only remitted through faith and repentance....through being converted...Acts 3:19 and 26:18.
 
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When all sins are forgiven,where do those not saved unto the kingdom of God go when they die?

If you are "saved", then God has forgiven all your sin, and you are born........again.......by the Holy Spirit.
This is a spiritual birth that produces a "new creation" = 'in Christ".
So, when this happens the person is born again INTO the KOG.
This is explained as "being translated from darkness......>>TO LIght".
The CHRISTian is not waiting for this to happen.....they are already born again INTO the KOG.
 

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Hello Pandaflower,

Revelation 22:15 Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.

That's what I personally believe, yet many reject that this place is even possible to be in the Heavenly Realm.
I think those outside the heavenly city is where they are now, while faithful believers are inside it now, seated in heavenly places in Christ. One day those outside will be cast into the lake of fire (which I take to be gehenna), along with death and hades, and the old order of things will pass away. The bible says fallen man is like the beasts that perish (ie, they are mortal, not immortal)......made to be taken and destroyed. Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell (gehenna - lake of fire), so it doesn't sound as though they will keep on existing after that.

(I wish the bible translators had not used the word "hell" for both gehenna and hades, because they are not speaking of the same thing....from what I can see, it appears that gehenna is speaking of the lake of fire, the final destination of the wicked, and hades is referring to the place where dead souls are awaiting judgment and lake of fire.)
 

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The forgiveness of sins is only for those who believe in Christ and worship God.
Acts 26

Paul Recounts His Conversion​

12 “While thus occupied, as I journeyed to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, 13 at midday, O king, along the road I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining around me and those who journeyed with me. 14 And when we all had fallen to the ground, I heard a voice speaking to me and saying in the Hebrew language, ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.’ 15 So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will [b]deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I [c]now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified[d] by faith in Me.’

Hebrews 10 is all about the people of God, not the unbelieving.
Christ taking away sins is for the believing world, not the unbelieving world.
As you can read, Christ speaks to Paul, only those who turn to God from Satan may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance in the kingdom of God.

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law),

9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

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Hebrews 10

For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Christ’s Death Fulfills God’s Will​

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified​

11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.

15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is [e]remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

Hold Fast Your Confession​

19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness[f] to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and having a High Priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
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This taking away sins is only for the believing ones.
 
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The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Christ takes away the sin of the world for those who believe in Him
The world does not believe in Him.

John 16, the unbelieving world is not saved. not believing in Christ is sin.

5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me;

10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;

11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.


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John 15

The World’s Hatred​

18 “If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. 20 Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 He who hates Me hates My Father also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father. 25 But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, ‘They hated Me without a cause.’

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John 14

Jesus Promises Another Helper​

15 “If you love Me, [d]keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Indwelling of the Father and the Son​

19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and [f]manifest Myself to him.”

22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
 
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I think those outside the heavenly city is where they are now, while faithful believers are inside it now, seated in heavenly places in Christ. One day those outside will be cast into the lake of fire (which I take to be gehenna), along with death and hades, and the old order of things will pass away. The bible says fallen man is like the beasts that perish (ie, they are mortal, not immortal)......made to be taken and destroyed. Jesus said to fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell (gehenna - lake of fire), so it doesn't sound as though they will keep on existing after that.

(I wish the bible translators had not used the word "hell" for both gehenna and hades, because they are not speaking of the same thing....from what I can see, it appears that gehenna is speaking of the lake of fire, the final destination of the wicked, and hades is referring to the place where dead souls are awaiting judgment and lake of fire.)
Hi Lizbeth,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts—I really appreciate hearing your perspective. And if you're ever curious about how I see it, I'm happy to share when you're ready to ask!
 

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If you are "saved", then God has forgiven all your sin, and you are born........again.......by the Holy Spirit.
This is a spiritual birth that produces a "new creation" = 'in Christ".
So, when this happens the person is born again INTO the KOG.
This is explained as "being translated from darkness......>>TO LIght".
The CHRISTian is not waiting for this to happen.....they are already born again INTO the KOG.
You didn't address my specific question.