Did Jesus say that adultery is grounds for divorce? - Nope.

[Behold]

Jesus said there is no grounds for divorce except for fornication. Now read verse 10 again.


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Fornication, committed by a married person, is adultery.


If you study "Adultery" in the NT... you find this verse...

"So, if while her HUSBAND is still alive, she be married to another.... she hath committed Adultery"..

So, That verse says, that the woman has ""2 Husbands..:": As, The first one isn't dead..

So, 2 Husbands, is adultery, and fornication joins you in covenant relationship with the person you are sleeping with, who is not your married partner.

 

[Ritajanice]

When my wife turned 40, I considered trading her in for two 20s. - LOL

Are you being serious????.....I bet you never told your wife that????

Where is your mind, it’s needs renewing.LOL....hehehehe....so does mine for laughing,hehehe.

 

[Ritajanice]

I was divorced by my ex-wife against my will. A later realized that it ended up being a blessing that she divorced me. I was in severe depression because of the marriage and had I remained I would have likely killed myself. After we separated, I was able to come off depression medication a couple months later.

We were not put together by God. That much I can tell you. There were red flags all along that I ignored. Her family and mine tried to warn me. I wouldn't listen. We were also pressured into getting married by her then cult leader pastor and his friends.

I will say that three good things came out of the marriage though. My two children and now knowing what a marriage not put together by God looks like.

I am now in a relationship that has God's hands in it. It is the best relationship I have ever had and we will be getting married once my bankruptcy has cleared.

My ex-wife has remarried and from what I can tell is still unhappy. She still causes me issues and doesn't really care for our children beyond the child support that I give her each month. She didn't want them for Christmas at all. She doesn't want them on mother's day or her birthday. Now, for two years I didn't want them on my birthday, but I was out of town celebrating. She just didn't want them. When I don't have them for a weekend I ask for them two weekends in a row, which turns into the weekends in a row. If she doesn't have them, she will not ask for more time with them.

Does she get them during the week? Yep, but they are in school. She just didn't want them, but won't give them up to me because she'll lose her monthly child support.

What a wonderful testimony to our Lord , Brother..I am so happy that God has blessed you with your partner ,God brought to you, your true love..,,Happy to also hear of your forthcoming marriage....God Bless You All.

 

[St. SteVen]

Yep!

Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 19 - Mounce Reverse Interlinear New Testament

Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he left Galilee and went to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan River. Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. Some Pharisees came to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause?” He answered...

www.biblegateway.com

Sexual immorality is sex outside marriage.

And that divorcee under those grounds is allowed to remarry.

Is that what Jesus said?

Jesus told us that the enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy.
But he came to give us life. So...

Is divorce life-giving? (nope) It's kill, steal, and destroy.
Therefore from the enemy, not from Jesus.

Did Jesus say that sexual immorality is grounds for divorce? (kill, steal, and destroy)
What a terrible thing to accuse Jesus of. Shameful.

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[St. SteVen]

Are you being serious????.....I bet you never told your wife that????

Where is your mind, it’s needs renewing.LOL....hehehehe....so does mine for laughing,hehehe.

LOL
It was a joke.
Yes, I say all sorts of crazy things to my wife. All in fun.
We're madly in love, no worries. We both drive each other mad.
But why not?

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[Ritajanice]

LOL
It was a joke.
Yes, I say all sorts of crazy things to my wife. All in fun.
We're madly in love, no worries. We both drive each other mad.
But why not?

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I know it was a joke,Brother.....my ex husband used to say the same to me...trade you in for a younger model....he did as well....20 yrs younger....

Best thing that ever happened to me, not long after along came God....

God blessed me with humour....

 

[Ritajanice]

We're madly in love

How wonderful.....x

 

[TLHKAJ]

5What do you make of this?
How many wives? - LOL

John 10:16 NIV
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also.
They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

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You are taking scripture out of context in your endeavors to justify your desires. Nowhere in that verse or the surrounding verses is it talking about wives.
Jesus came to His own and His own received Him not. He came to the Jews first. He was speaking of the Gentiles who would believe on Him. In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, male nor female ....all are one in Christ. We as believers are Abraham's sees and heirs according to the promise.


Isaiah 42:6-7
[6]I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
[7]To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Isaiah 49:6
[6]And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Matthew 28:19-20
[19]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[20]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Mark 16:15
[15]And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Acts 22:21
[21]And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

Acts 28:28
[28]Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Galatians 3:28-29
[28]There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[29]And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[St. SteVen]

How wonderful.....x

Our marriage has survived all odds.

I proposed to her before I left for a Summer missions trip to Europe.
When I returned we postponed our wedding. We needed more time.
We married for sickness and poverty and whatever.
That's exactly what we got.

But we were committed and stuck it out no matter what.
And we still stand strong.

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[St. SteVen]

You are taking scripture out of context in your endeavors to justify your desires.

Stop it. I have no desire to have more than one wife.
Why do you have such a low view of me? (or men in general?)
Get over it!

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[TLHKAJ]

The simple truth is that the word that is translated as "fornication" in Matthew 19:9 is porneia and it includes not only fornication, but also incest, idolatry, harlotry, and adultery.

Greek: πορνεία
Transliteration: porneia
Pronunciation: por-ni'-ah
Definition: From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

It doesn't change the logic at all of what Jesus was saying. If one's spouse has committed fornication, adultery, incest, harlotry, idolatry ....that is grounds for divorce. If the divorce for any other reason, and remarry, they are guilty of adultery. Why? Because what God has joined together, let no man put asunder.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Is divorce life-giving? (nope) It's kill, steal, and destroy.
Therefore from the enemy, not from Jesus.

Did Jesus say that sexual immorality is grounds for divorce? (kill, steal, and destroy)
What a terrible thing to accuse Jesus of. Shameful.

So according to you, a woman who is married to a man who is an idolator, abuses her sexually, forces her into prostitution, has sex with other women, commits incest with their children .... should not divorce her husband because (in your opinion) to divorce would be "kill, steal, and destroy." So none of the sexual perversions are "kill, steal, and destroy"???

 

[Aunty Jane]

I like what @BarneyFife wrote earlier.

I am not familiar with this terminology.....my interest is in what Jesus said and how his Jewish audience understood him from their perspective. We can sometimes forget that Jesus wasn’t a “Christian”...he was a Jew and born under law.... a law that was to give way to the teachings of a new covenant, the terms of which were very different and implemented only after Jesus had paid for the redemption of the human race with his own life. Jeremiah had prophesied about this new covenant so the Jews had no excuse to reject its mediator. The Jewish religion had been hijacked centuries before Jesus came by corrupt men who turned the scriptures into something that glorified themselves and disobeyed the God who gave them those scriptures, largely about their shortcomings.

Seems we both take the approach that fits our presuppositions.

We can take whatever approach suits our suppositions, but it doesn’t make them right....
Like any belief that we take on board, the heart is involved and sometimes it can’t be trusted.

Jeremiah wrote.....Jer 17:9-10...

“The heart is more treacherous* than anything else and is desperate.
Who can know it?
10 I, Jehovah, am searching the heart,
Examining the innermost thoughts,
To give to each one according to his ways,
According to the fruitage of his works.”

So our motives are made evident by God searching the heart, and “examining” our “innermost thoughts”......and then giving us his his acceptance or rejection, based on what we do with what we know....
There is a difference between what we know....and what we think we know......this is why we need to make a careful examination of the scriptures for ourselves, not just accepting man made doctrines as if they should never be questioned.....my policy is “question everything”. Examine every teaching to see if it is cracked up by the whole Bible, not just some misinterpreted and misapplied verses.

Your rebuttal is loaded with assumptions.

Since the scriptures are not specific in certain areas, that doesn’t mean we can’t use what IS in the scriptures to make some of those assumptions. Since all the original disciples of Jesus were Jewish, we can see how Christ’s teachings may have been difficult to implement, especially in Jewish households with more than one wife, but as time went on and the hearts of many saw the need to make that adjustment in a long standing practice, we get a clearer picture of what must have been for some, a dilemma.

Since men had to pay a dowry for an intended wife, that in itself may have meant that those who had little means did not have more than one wife. And since wealth was something that acted as a hinderance in a Christian’s life, we can assume that not many who were wealthy responded to the Christian ethic of sharing their wealth with their poorer brothers and sisters.

When a rich man asked Jesus how to obtain everlasting life, he told him to keep God’s commandments, so when the man said that he already did that.....
“21 Jesus said to him: “If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come be my follower.” 22 When the young man heard this, he went away grieved, for he had many possessions. 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Truly I say to you that it will be difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of the heavens. 24 Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to get through a needle’s eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.”

So we can deduce certain things by reading through the scriptures for clues.

 

[Ritajanice]

The simple truth is that the word that is translated as "fornication" in Matthew 19:9 is porneia and it includes not only fornication, but also incest, idolatry, harlotry, and adultery.

Greek: πορνεία
Transliteration: porneia
Pronunciation: por-ni'-ah
Definition: From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

It doesn't change the logic at all of what Jesus was saying. If one's spouse has committed fornication, adultery, incest, harlotry, idolatry ....that is grounds for divorce. If the divorce for any other reason, and remarry, they are guilty of adultery. Why? Because what God has joined together, let no man put asunder.

That’s interesting...because I know in my heart that God did not join me to my two husbands.....I DID...

Even when I was dating them both, I was not in love with them, and my conscience told me not to marry either one...I went against my gut feeling and married them.

The marriages were dreadful and extremely abusive....I was brought up in emotional abuse, therefore thought it was normal...it’s not as God showed me...as after I was divorced for the second time, not long after I became Born Again.

My True Love is God...there is none like him..none can love us as God loves us.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Stop it. I have no desire to have more than one wife.
Why do you have such a low view of me? (or men in general?)
Get over it!

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Because of your multiple threads and posts stating that polygamy is just fine with God... jokes about trading in your wife for 2 ....and another post where you mentioned that the Bible was okay with men having multiple wives AND sex slaves... and you use the examples of fallen men as the examples rather than what God set forth as the precedent. Maybe that's why. lol

 

[St. SteVen]

It doesn't change the logic at all of what Jesus was saying. If one's spouse has committed fornication, adultery, incest, harlotry, idolatry ....that is grounds for divorce. If the divorce for any other reason, and remarry, they are guilty of adultery. Why? Because what God has joined together, let no man put asunder.

You say "one's spouse"?
No, Jesus is talking about grounds for divorcing a WIFE.

Matthew 5:32 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

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[TLHKAJ]

You say "one's spouse"?
No, Jesus is talking about grounds for divorcing a WIFE.

Matthew 5:32 KJV
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

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Obviously, he was speaking to a group of men ....so he would be addressing them according to their questions (as they were men/husbands) and their situations. They weren't transgenders or gender confused ....they were men married to women. Use some common sense.

Let's see that scripture in context and you'll see Jesus was talking to men/Pharisees who had questions about divorce.

Matthew 19:3-9
[3]The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
[4]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
[5]And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
[6]Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
[7]They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
[8]He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
[9]And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

These were men who had wives. So Jesus wouldn't address them as women having husbands. Maybe you believe women have no value or rights in God's eyes.....? I suppose that's why you say sexual perversion is not a Biblical grounds for divorce. Men have a Biblical right to any sexual escapades they choose? Only women have rules imposed on them? Did Jesus not value women, in your opinion? We have Biblical examples to the contrary.

 

[St. SteVen]

So according to you, a woman who is married to a man who is an idolator, abuses her sexually, forces her into prostitution, has sex with other women, commits incest with their children .... should not divorce her husband because (in your opinion) to divorce would be "kill, steal, and destroy." So none of the sexual perversions are "kill, steal, and destroy"???

No.
What I am saying is that divorce is a terrible thing. But so is amputating a limb to save a life.
Jesus is NOT promoting divorce, because it is a terrible thing. That's what I am saying.
Are there good reasons to divorce? Yes. But it is still a terrible thing.
Jesus blesses marriage NOT divorce!

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[St. SteVen]

my interest is in what Jesus said and how his Jewish audience understood him from their perspective.

If that was true you would understand my perspective. Alas... (sigh)

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[St. SteVen]

I am not familiar with this terminology.....my interest is in what Jesus said and how his Jewish audience understood him from their perspective. We can sometimes forget that Jesus wasn’t a “Christian”...he was a Jew and born under law.... a law that was to give way to the teachings of a new covenant, the terms of which were very different and implemented only after Jesus had paid for the redemption of the human race with his own life. Jeremiah had prophesied about this new covenant so the Jews had no excuse to reject its mediator. The Jewish religion had been hijacked centuries before Jesus came by corrupt men who turned the scriptures into something that glorified themselves and disobeyed the God who gave them those scriptures, largely about their shortcomings.

Do you understand that there was a provision in Jewish law to protect husbands form the fraud of receiving a claimed virgin wife from a set of parents that was actually guilty of fornication? That's how his Jewish audience understood him. IMHO

I suppose you will drag us through word definitions again. Don't bother. (please)

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