Did Jesus say that adultery is grounds for divorce? - Nope.

[Aunty Jane]

First, I don’t believe Earth could sustain an eternally living population—though this is only my assessment based on current knowledge.

I understand your logic there, but I like to step back and take a wider view. I also wondered about that question. But looking at the vastness of the Universe and knowing that God does not do anything without a reason or purpose, why would he choose a small and insignificant planet at the edge of a relatively small galaxy among billions, to create sentient life?

Reflecting on his word, the spirit beings who inhabit the heavenly realm were the first of God’s creation. They were there shouting for joy when God had finished his material creation. (Job 38:4-7) Jehovah is a Creator, not a magician, so creation may well have taken millions of years. A “thousand“ of our earth years is like “one day” to him. (2 Peter3:8) He has no time limits but his work is highly organized as the creative “days” had specific elements that were completed and evaluated at the end of each “day”. At the completion of the final day, he was able to pronounce the finished product as “very good”.
What does “very good” mean to the Almighty Creator…..absolute perfection!

So taking that information and putting things in perspective, I see the earth as a starting point in his creation of mortal life. (These are just my own musings) If you view the earth as a gigantic space ship traveling through space, with passengers on board whose every need was catered for, and being given rewarding work to do on the journey, we know that there are other “space ships” already in existence that have not yet been modified to accommodate life…..perhaps in the same raw state that the earth was in before God prepared it for habitation…….and once this earth was “filled” as God told Adam and his wife to do, what is to stop the Creator repeating the process and filling the whole universe with sentient life?

Why are we here….and going through this test of our character? What is God looking for in those who will be granted everlasting life on this beautiful ‘space ship’?

Being mortal doesn’t necessarily mean that we “have” to die….only that we “could” under certain circumstances. God told the first humans about the only cause of death that he mentioned. Since humans had the means provided there in the garden for their lives to continue indefinitely, (Gen 3:22-24) God had to have in mind the future time when this planet was filled to a comfortable capacity……what then?
If his purpose was to have the earth “filled” could he not simply stop procreation, once that capacity was reached? Isn’t this why were were given procreative abilities….angels have no gender and no procreative abilities…because they are a different creation, living in a completely different realm….but they too are sons of God.

As with all things created, no matter how well designed they are, prototypes require a time of testing to see if problems arise due to things beyond the designer’s control. What was there about God’s creation of humans that was different to all other life forms? They alone were gifted with free will, which the Creator could not control without taking that gift away from them…..he didn’t make them like the animal kingdom, operating purely on instinct….which is virtually ‘inbuilt programming’ that requires no education. Like how birds build nests specific to their species to raise their young, who were not around to see how their parents constructed them.

Instinct is a marvelous thing, but it requires no love of the kind that God seeks from his children. You cannot force anyone to love you, which is why God won’t force himself on anyone….we have to willingly serve him out of genuine love and appreciation for who he is, and what he has done by granting us life in the first place.

Instinct is an amazing quality in all living things, but it does not involve planning….God is the planner and all creatures know their place without the need to understand the ‘past, present and future’ events…..all creatures live in the present…..we alone can evaluate present and future plans with a view to past experience. This is how we are made in God’s image. Everything we do can be evaluated logically, with consequences mindfully taken on board…..which is why Adam and his wife had no excuse to disobey…..they knew the penalty, and satan too abused his free will. We are living in the consequences of their actions.

What is the lesson? Your actions do not affect only yourself.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Have you had a personal encounter with God outside of scripture?

Yes,I have. Please read this link, full of it.

Sorry. That was too long to read the whole thing
and it doesn't sound like a personal encounter with God to me.
But I could be wrong?

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[soberxp]

What is the lesson? Your actions do not affect only yourself.

Yes,I understand it.
The lesson is only obey to God, you can't run away, no where to hidden from God, cuz no matter what only God could gives us the good about everything.

Our actions do not affect only ourself.
But the impact is something that takes a long time to be felt.

Maybe in the future anything will be possible.
Maybe God will arrange for everyone according to people's will, some willing to stay in the new earth, some willing to stay in heaven,

Or maybe it was the Kingdom of God, not forbidden, free to travel.

Who really Knows?

 

[soberxp]

St. SteVen said:
Have you had a personal encounter with God outside of scripture?

Sorry. That was too long to read the whole thing
and it doesn't sound like a personal encounter with God to me.
But I could be wrong?

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Never mind, if you willing to read it.
Nothing wrong.
Whatever you like call it.

 

[Aunty Jane]

It’s good to contemplate things from a different perspective sometimes to entertain what might come in the future…. but always sticking to the Bible’s narrative in the process.

the Bible states that the resurrected will be 'like the angels in heaven' (Matthew 22:30), so in that state, we will likely serve God alongside them in His Kingdom.

Yes, they will be like the angels in one specific way….they will be genderless and not marry or procreate. Those taken into the heavenly Kingdom will be like God’s other spirit sons, given a new birth to a whole other life in a very different realm. They are the “chosen ones”, but not all who claim Jesus as their Lord are chosen. (Rev 14:15) They have a specific role as kings and priests. (Rev 20:6)

The Kingdom of God is where He reveals His wisdom and knowledge—which absent in this world, for this world is temporary and cannot fully reflect the totality of God’s wisdom and knowledge.
1 Corinthians 2:9
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

What God has in store for his human creation is beyond our imagination because we never got to enjoy the life that he originally planned for us…..but it never went away. Earth was never to be a training ground for heaven….we were created for the earth and the earth was created for us. It provides for our every need and will go on doing so for as long as life exist here. Only those who genuinely love God will get to experience that life. (Rev 21:2-4)

The Kingdom of God is the governmental arrangement with Christ as King, and his bride as assistants in heaven bringing all things back into reconciliation with the Creator. (Isaiah 9:6) They are to be rulers and priests in that kingdom…..which would be useless if they had no subjects, or those who need priestly guidance along the way.
God did not create the earth for nothing but to be inhabited. (Isa 45:18)

I believe God’s ultimate purpose is to shape us into beings fully capable of wielding His same divine nature.

We don’t need to be in heaven to reflect God’s qualities and attributes….he can foresee the perfected human race serving him happily in paradise on earth…which was his original purpose for us. We choose to obey him because of the precious gift of life, and because he is our Father who caused us to be here. We love everything about him.

As for the fruit in Eden—I don’t think it merely represented food. Rather, it symbolized God’s wisdom and knowledge.

Yes, the fruit was a representation……but it was a symbol of God’s Sovereignty….his right to dictate the terms for our existence here. It was God’s Sovereignty that was challenged by all three rebels, disobeying a clear directive that carried the death penalty if it was not observed. The fruit was not the issue….God claimed that tree as his own property….so it was who that tree belonged to, and stealing something that was rightfully his, as our King and ruler.

This was carried over into human rulership, as when a subject stole something that was a Monarch‘s property…even something as insignificant as a piece of fruit…it carried the death penalty.

God knew that humans would make mistakes when he created us, and God had a plan to save us.

God can foresee all things if he chooses to, but in Eden, all contingencies were planned for, depending on what course the humans took of their own free will. God did not plan the fall, but had a solution to any and all decisions that they made. He will keep to his original purpose. (Isa 55:11)

Free will meant that God did not decide in advance that they would sin, but decided in advance how he would handle the situation, no matter what choices they made. The plan to save us was not mentioned until the sin took place. Before that happened there was no need for a savior or a kingdom.

 

[soberxp]

Free will meant that God did not decide in advance that they would sin, but decided in advance how he would handle the situation, no matter what choices they made. The plan to save us was not mentioned until the sin took place. Before that happened here was no need for a savior or a kingdom.

I used to think it was Eve's mistake, but I realized I might be wrong, and God did accept that humans don't make mistakes, But God knows that humans make mistakes, and I don't know if life would be ordinary if humans never made mistakes, But I think if I've been through the wrong things, maybe I can better experience the perfect things. Since God didn't stop Eve from making a mistake, God's plan must have been the most reasonable and best.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I like that last part. lol

Lot knew his two visitors were angels. He offered his two daughters to the gay men of Sodom so they'd be sexually satisfied having initially demanded sex with the angels.

Lot must have known something about angel anatomy.

Plus the sons of God, in early text,had sex with human females who then bore offspring.
Sounds like testicles were a thing there too.

I’m outnumbered. Lol

But I still don’t think the text is about angels having testicles. I genuinely don’t. I remember my stepfather used to tell me about a verse in the bible where man spilled his seed on the ground. As a child it sounded so vulgar, but he acted like the topic of sperm being spilled on the ground was ok because it’s in the bible( that was his interpretation). Then of course there’s the verse that women ought to have power on their head because of the angels. I get most, if not all think it’s because the angels want to have sex with them. There is another perspective.

As I’ve shared already in the thread, there are other ways to reproduce offspring besides sex. the majority of the Word, (Imo)speaks of the seed that creates off-spring sowing in the mind and heart of others…either for God or against God. For example how the Pharisees and the Sadducees reproduced —children by what they sowed into others. When Jesus said their father was the devil…I don’t think that means the devil had sex to procreate children but something was indeed passed down. Someone once told me that satan had sex with Eve. I’ve heard a lot of different perspectives, which make me more hesitant what I repeat as being truth. Just because people say something and believe it whole heartedly, doesn’t make it true. i get that goes for me too, but I still can have an opinion.

 

[soberxp]

I’m outnumbered. Lol

But I still don’t think the text is about angels having testicles. I genuinely don’t. I remember my stepfather used to tell me about a verse in the bible where man spilled his seed on the ground. As a child it sounded so vulgar, but he acted like the topic of sperm being spilled on the ground was ok because it’s in the bible( that was his interpretation). Then of course there’s the verse that women ought to have power on their head because of the angels. I get most, if not all think it’s because the angels want to have sex with them. There is another perspective.

As I’ve shared already in the thread, there are other ways to reproduce offspring besides sex. the majority of the Word, (Imo)speaks of the seed that creates off-spring sowing in the mind and heart of others…either for God or against God. For example how the Pharisees and the Sadducees reproduced —children by what they sowed into others. When Jesus said their father was the devil…I don’t think that means the devil had sex to procreate children but something was indeed passed down. Someone once told me that satan had sex with Eve. I’ve heard a lot of different perspectives, which make me more hesitant what I repeat as being truth. Just because people say something and believe it whole heartedly, doesn’t make it true. i get that goes for me too, but I still can have an opinion.

Angels can enter this world, just as Jesus came back to this world after his resurrection to be with his disciples.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Angels can enter this world, just as Jesus came back to this world after his resurrection to be with his disciples.

If there is one thing all mankind has…it is an active imagination. I think sometimes men/women make it up as they go along so it will fit what they believe. I guess that is how we convince ourselves. It makes it hard to believe anything. At this point I don’t even trust my own mind.

 

[soberxp]

If there is one thing all mankind has…it is an active imagination. I think sometimes men/women make it up as they go along so it will fit what they believe. I guess that is how we convince ourselves. It makes it hard to believe anything. At this point I don’t even trust my own mind.

Believe me, I have seen that they can be transformed from a spiritual body into a body like ours, just as Jesus said he was transforming.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Believe me, I have seen that they can be transformed from a spiritual body into a body like ours, just as Jesus said he was transforming.

you haven’t said whether it was an evil angel or a good one. I hope it wasn’t traumatic for you. If I’m wrong and they do desire to have relations with humans, then it wound be a terrifying thing to see a spiritual creature transform into human form to do harm.

 

[soberxp]

you haven’t said whether it was an evil angel or a good one. I hope it wasn’t traumatic for you. If I’m wrong and they do desire to have relations with humans, then it wound be a terrifying thing to see a spiritual creature transform into human form to do harm.

It's not what you think, it's just that angels show how they came into this world from another dimension.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's not what you think, it's just that angels show how they came into this world from another dimension.

You saw this , and understand? I have never seen anything like that, which makes it hard for me to believe it. But I do believe in things we can’t explain.

 

[Grailhunter]

I’m outnumbered. Lol

But I still don’t think the text is about angels having testicles. I genuinely don’t. I remember my stepfather used to tell me about a verse in the bible where man spilled his seed on the ground. As a child it sounded so vulgar, but he acted like the topic of sperm being spilled on the ground was ok because it’s in the bible( that was his interpretation). Then of course there’s the verse that women ought to have power on their head because of the angels. I get most, if not all think it’s because the angels want to have sex with them. There is another perspective.

As I’ve shared already in the thread, there are other ways to reproduce offspring besides sex. the majority of the Word, (Imo)speaks of the seed that creates off-spring sowing in the mind and heart of others…either for God or against God. For example how the Pharisees and the Sadducees reproduced —children by what they sowed into others. When Jesus said their father was the devil…I don’t think that means the devil had sex to procreate children but something was indeed passed down. Someone once told me that satan had sex with Eve. I’ve heard a lot of different perspectives, which make me more hesitant what I repeat as being truth. Just because people say something and believe it whole heartedly, doesn’t make it true. i get that goes for me too, but I still can have an opinion.

The “sons of God” were probably some type of angels. And they did more than impregnate women, they took wives. Of course the story is an enigma because it is short and leaves more questions than answers.

And the guy that spilled his seed on the ground was probably killed because he was being spiteful against his dead brother’s wife, when he was obligated to take her as his wife due to the Mosaic Law concerning the levirate wife. He withdrew from her and spilled his seed on the ground so he would not give her a baby and take her as his wife.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Angels can enter this world, just as Jesus came back to this world after his resurrection to be with his disciples.

Yes...Jesus was not resurrected in the flesh, but he was “made alive in the spirit”, given a spirit body in order to re-enter the spirit realm; he too could materialize in human form, in order to remain on earth for 40 days, to strengthen his apostles for the tough days that lay ahead.

It was against God’s law to communicate with spirits, (Deut 18:9-12) so Jesus physically “appeared” to his disciples during that 40 day period....but he did not stay with them as he had done for the previous three and a half years.

The demonic possession of humans that the Bible mentioned in Jesus’ day proves that wicked angels were active back then. They still are, impersonating the dead to gullible people who don’t know what the Bible teaches about life and death. (Eccl 9:5; 10) They are deceptive just like their leader.

 

[Aunty Jane]

For example how the Pharisees and the Sadducees reproduced —children by what they sowed into others. When Jesus said their father was the devil…I don’t think that means the devil had sex to procreate children but something was indeed passed down.

This doesn’t explain God’s response to what happened in Noah’s day.....or to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. This was a wickedness that was not allowed to continue....things that went beyond the realms of mere human wickedness....it went above and beyond.

Someone once told me that satan had sex with Eve. I’ve heard a lot of different perspectives, which make me more hesitant what I repeat as being truth.

I have heard that one too, but it doesn’t explain the reason why Adam is blamed for the original sin....not Eve. (Rom 5:12; 1 Tim 2:13-14) Adam could have changed the course of human history if he had just stayed loyal to his God and obeyed his command. The devil used the woman to purposely divide Adams loyalties. And he got what he wanted.

Just because people say something and believe it whole heartedly, doesn’t make it true. i get that goes for me too, but I still can have an opinion.

I agree, it’s one thing to suggest something, but another thing entirely to force our views on others as if they cannot be legitimately challenged. We are each responsible for what we accept as truth...and one persons truth is another’s fiction. God is that one who draws us to his truth, (John 6:44; 65) which is why we can allow him to choose whom he wants as a subject of his Kingdom.

 

[Treeline]

Why are we here….and going through this test of our character? What is God looking for in those who will be granted everlasting life on this beautiful ‘space ship’?

The Earth is like an army "testing ground"-



"All creation groans in pain from the beginning til now" (Rom 8:22)
"We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22)

Jesus welcomes anybody into his squad:-
"Whoever comes to me I'll never turn away" (John 6:37)

And he'll lead from the front:-
"To follow me you must carry your own cross daily" (Luke 9:23)

The C.O. shows no favouritism:-
"God didn't spare his own son" (Rom 8:32)
"We share in Jesus's sufferings in order to share in his glory" (Rom 8:17)

We have to tough it out-
"Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life.." (James 1:12)
"I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith" (2 Tim 4:7)

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The “sons of God” were probably some type of angels. And they did more than impregnate women, they took wives. Of course the story is an enigma because it is short and leaves more questions than answers.

We speak of when the sons of God sang with joy. John 3:29-30 He who has the bride is the groom; but the friend of the groom, who stands and listens to him, rejoices greatly because of the groom’s voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. [30] He must increase, but I must decrease.
What is “they believe in fables”?? What is a fable? A story passed down from generation to generation that gives a moral lesson?
Job 38:6-7 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; [7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Paul said this: Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Paul speaks of “that your joy be made full” the joy there, is a Fruit of the Spirit of God. Joy no man can take(steal as a thief) from you.
Who is the “corner stone” God laid which no other man can lay? “Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened.” “Where were you when I laid the cornerstone?”
Ephesians 2:20-22 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together grows unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom you also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
No wonder all the “sons of God” shouted for joy! For Hebrews 12:2 looking only at Jesus, the originator and perfecter of the faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

We are discussing “the sons of God” “Angels” “messengers of God” but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
How do we describe the angels of God, the Sons of God? I do think this passage below …is when they mingled themselves with the seed of men. You said: The “sons of God” were probably some type of angels. And they did more than impregnate women, they took wives. Of course the story is an enigma because it is short and leaves more questions than answers.

Daniel 2:41-44
And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with miry clay. [42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry clay, …..they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. [44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
—-I still think it has to do with sowing a field….the parable of the seed and sower tells of heavenly things by speaking of earthly things like “ground” and “seed”.
I don’t dispute the sexual implications throughout the Word—“see here, it means sex!”, yet I can’t ignore the spiritual teaching it points to.

judges 6:3 for it was when Israel (the Sons of God, however they are not all of Israel but those born of the Spirit of God) when Israel had sown (to sow, scatter seed) …
5:4 so they came up against them and destroy the produce (of the soil) even the sheep and cattle…
See the parable of the sower and the seed.
Out of the ground (heart/soil) grows
Out of the good ground …there is increase.
Back to judges 6:4 Israel was brought low …and they cried unto the LORD.

And the guy that spilled his seed on the ground was probably killed because he was being spiteful against his dead brother’s wife, when he was obligated to take her as his wife due to the Mosaic Law concerning the levirate wife. He withdrew from her and spilled his seed on the ground so he would not give her a baby and take her as his wife.

Interesting. 8And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
The LORD God killed him because he spilled his sperm on the ground?
From Google: "So shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it."

• Meaning: This verse indicates that God's spoken word is effective. (Not spilled on the ground) Like rain and snow that cause plants to grow, God's word will accomplish the task He sends it to do. It won't be unproductive or fail to achieve its intended outcome.
• Profitable: The word "profitable" in the quote aligns with the idea that God's word yields positive results, achieving His desires.
• None fall to the ground: This relates to "it shall not return to me empty" (due to spite of men?) in Isaiah 55:11. It means that God's word is never wasted or without effect.

Do we claim God was angry because sperm was wasted and spilled on the God? Or because God desires His Word to increase, and grow up, increased in Christ, the cornerstone laid which no man can lay, besides Christ whom God sent?

Do we have to remain talking about earthly things saying to procreate is sexual? When do we move on to spiritual things? It makes me think of Paul saying he still had to speak to them carnally? If they wanted lesson on sexual procreation…whose wife will she be? .is it what they are familiar with?

Interesting they asked Jesus about ‘And the guy that spilled his seed on the ground was probably killed because he was being spiteful against his dead brother’s wife, when he was obligated to take her as his wife due to the Mosaic Law concerning the levirate wife. He withdrew from her and spilled his seed on the ground so he would not give her a baby and take her as his wife.’

Mark 12:19-27 Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. [20] Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed. [21] And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise. [22] And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also. [23] In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife. [24] And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? [25] For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. [26] And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? [27] He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

Why didn’t He answer them about earthly things staying on their topic of which husband she belongs to? Instead He spoke to them about heavenly things…He didn’t speak of sperm or sex or whose wife she belonged to … everything is His, the one they are asking whose fruit and produce will she belong to? ….if they all “had her”. Just like the woman by the well had multiple husbands…what did Jesus tell her? interesting it sums up that they hated the rightful Heir and desires to have Him killed. …as if they squabble over Why should I serve God unless you tell us first, whom she belongs to, when the seven all had her . Tell us whose wife is the Proverbs 31 Woman? Is She ours? She is our wives whom serve us? Right? you do err, He told them. “Those of the resurrection are as the Angels of God…they do not marry and give in marriage.” They belong to God, Born of Him?? Haven’t you read where Paul said “yet it is not I, but Christ Lives in me?”

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This doesn’t explain God’s response to what happened in Noah’s day.....or to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. This was a wickedness that was not allowed to continue....things that went beyond the realms of mere human wickedness....it went above and beyond.

All mere human wickedness is just as sinful as homosexuality. To me that is what we are missing. Everything else is lesser evil, except for this gross immoral behavior? That is why the harm they wanted to do to the men had be this? It’s the most gross. I understand. That is not how I understand it but instead: if you fail in any point, you fail in all.

I agree, it’s one thing to suggest something, but another thing entirely to force our views on others as if they cannot be legitimately challenged. We are each responsible for what we accept as truth...and one persons truth is another’s fiction. God is that one who draws us to his truth, (John 6:44; 65) which is why we can allow him to choose whom he wants as a subject of his Kingdom.

I agree. We are responsible for what we accept as truth. I love what you said …one persons truth is another’s fiction. With all due respect … …if I understand correctly you follow the teaching of Jehovah witnesses? which makes God can choose whom He wants as a subject of his kingdom vital to your belief?? I don’t disagree, but still it means something different to me. I agree, that is your right to have a perspective. But at the same time I can have another perspective, that doesn’t mean I’m forcing you to believe it. Same as I don’t think you are forcing me to believe your perspective.

 

[Grailhunter]

We speak of when the sons of God sang with joy. John 3:29-30 He who has the bride is the groom; but the friend of the groom, who stands and listens to him, rejoices greatly because of the groom’s voice. So this joy of mine has been made full. [30] He must increase, but I must decrease.
What is “they believe in fables”?? What is a fable? A story passed down from generation to generation that gives a moral lesson?
Job 38:6-7 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; [7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Paul said this: Galatians 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
Paul speaks of “that your joy be made full” the joy there, is a Fruit of the Spirit of God. Joy no man can take(steal as a thief) from you.
Who is the “corner stone” God laid which no other man can lay? “Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened.” “Where were you when I laid the cornerstone?”
Ephesians 2:20-22 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; [21] In whom all the building fitly framed together grows unto an holy temple in the Lord: [22] In whom you also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
No wonder all the “sons of God” shouted for joy! For Hebrews 12:2 looking only at Jesus, the originator and perfecter of the faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

We are discussing “the sons of God” “Angels” “messengers of God” but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
How do we describe the angels of God, the Sons of God? I do think this passage below …is when they mingled themselves with the seed of men. You said: The “sons of God” were probably some type of angels. And they did more than impregnate women, they took wives. Of course the story is an enigma because it is short and leaves more questions than answers.

Daniel 2:41-44
And whereas thou saw the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as you saw the iron mixed with miry clay. [42] And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken. [43] And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry clay, …..they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. [44] And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
—-I still think it has to do with sowing a field….the parable of the seed and sower tells of heavenly things by speaking of earthly things like “ground” and “seed”.
I don’t dispute the sexual implications throughout the Word—“see here, it means sex!”, yet I can’t ignore the spiritual teaching it points to.

judges 6:3 for it was when Israel (the Sons of God, however they are not all of Israel but those born of the Spirit of God) when Israel had sown (to sow, scatter seed) …
5:4 so they came up against them and destroy the produce (of the soil) even the sheep and cattle…
See the parable of the sower and the seed.
Out of the ground (heart/soil) grows
Out of the good ground …there is increase.
Back to judges 6:4 Israel was brought low …and they cried unto the LORD.

Give me a shorted version of your point….please.