DID PROPHECY STOP WITH JOHN?

[Jack]

Of course, but that wasn't a 1000 years on earth.

Anyway I'm looking forward to it!!! This place is a Hell hole. And gonna get MUCH worse soon!!!

 

[Rockerduck]

Anyway I'm looking forward to it!!! This place is a Hell hole. And gonna get MUCH worse soon!!!

I agree with that. I'll meet you there.

 

[Jack]

I agree with that. I'll meet you there.

Won't it be GREAT!!!

 

[HealthyShape]

You referred to "what Jesus came to do" as being out of context--which is indeed a contradiction--because "the OT prophets and Law" is what He came to fulfill. And yet "It is finished."

But that did not "end" all in the way that you suggested, because the prophecies of old also included "the gentiles", that other fold which He "must also bring." What ended was only the first of "times" of "a time, times, and half a time", that time of the house of Israel of which He first came.

As for what ended at the time of Christ in the overall plan of God--every context--that was just the manifestation of what was finished even "before the foundation of the world." Even so, the second of the two "times", "the times of the gentiles", was also foretold by the prophets, and was yet to be made manifest and thus fulfilled also.

As for "Jesus Christ" being "the same yesterday, today, and forever"--the saying is true always and "forever." That's the point.

The context is the verse "The law and the prophets till John". It seems to me you are talking about something else, even though I do not know what it is.

The verse meant that John the Baptist was the last part of the OT, IMO. After him, Jesus and the fulfillment came. But no other "OT kind of prophet" existed after John.

 

[Davy]

The "Thousand years on earth reign with Christ" is false doctrine.

Of course that statement above is NOT true. It goes against the Ezekiel 40 through 47 Chapters which are all.. future prophecy that happen AFTER Jesus' future 2nd coming. And don't be confused by its mention of sacrifices, because Jesus fulfilled that upon His cross. Ezekiel 47 spotlights future prophecy about the return of God's River and The Tree of Life back to this earth, and links it with the future Millennial sanctuary on earth per that Ezekiel 47 Chapter.

 

[Doug]

It was not written today. It was written when Israel was in the land, the temple was standing etc. You need to realize the proper historical context.

And the ruling is spiritual and from the spiritual Jerusalem. It was never meant to be physical.

Scripture foretold that Christ would be born a virgin in Bethlehem would be crucified and rise again.......that was literal and physical not spiritual
In the same fashion scripture foretold a literal physical kingdom

 

[HealthyShape]

Scripture foretold that Christ would be born a virgin in Bethlehem would be crucified and rise again.......that was literal and physical not spiritual
In the same fashion scripture foretold a literal physical kingdom

Well, the reasoning "some few prophecies were literal, therefore this one must be literal, too" does not work, IMO.

We even have the words of Christ saying that His kingdom is not of this world, the words of the apostles that the kingdom of God is spiritual etc. And never any claim that it is physical.

 

[ScottA]

The context is the verse "The law and the prophets till John". It seems to me you are talking about something else, even though I do not know what it is.

The verse meant that John the Baptist was the last part of the OT, IMO. After him, Jesus and the fulfillment came. But no other "OT kind of prophet" existed after John.

Yes, I understood that to be what you said the first time.

And yes, that ended the Old Testament time before Christ. However, the OT prophecies by the OT prophets did not end there--because their prophecies included the times of the gentiles. Do you not understand that?

Also (because you did not hear me the first time, or refuse to even consider it) the word of Christ--the Word--including those words of the OT prophets, was and is to be "the same yesterday, today, and forever." Meaning, yes, the times changed--but God (and His sending of prophets--His Way) does not change. His Word, His Way. This fact is confirmed in the book of Revelation (10:7), where the "finish of the mystery of God" that only comes with the sounding of the seventh angel, "when he is about to sound"--was yet to come "as"...in the same way "as He declared to His servants the prophets."

 

[HealthyShape]

And yes, that ended the Old Testament time before Christ. However, the OT prophecies by the OT prophets did not end there--because their prophecies included the times of the gentiles. Do you not understand that?

Also (because you did not hear me the first time, or refuse to even consider it) the word of Christ--the Word--including those words of the OT prophets, was and is to be "the same yesterday, today, and forever." Meaning, yes, the times changed--but God (and His sending of prophets--His Way) does not change. His Word, His Way. This fact is confirmed in the book of Revelation (10:7), where the "finish of the mystery of God" that only comes with the sounding of the seventh angel, "when he is about to sound"--was yet to come "as"...in the same way "as He declared to His servants the prophets."

It was fulfilled in Christ, as I said - the fulfillment was in Christ. So, no, I do not understand what you are trying to say. Maybe you are trying to say that if the OT prophecies were about Christ and Christ is forever, then the prophecies of the OT are forever or something? That was covered in my post when I said "then the fulfillment came".

In other words, I still do not know what you are trying to say. You seem to both agree and disagree with me in the same time, but the exact connection of your thoughts is not too clear to me.

 

[ScottA]

It was fulfilled in Christ, as I said - the fulfillment was in Christ. So, no, I do not understand what you are trying to say. Maybe you are trying to say that if the OT prophecies were about Christ and Christ is forever, then the prophecies of the OT are forever or something? That was covered in my post when I said "then the fulfillment came".

In other words, I still do not know what you are trying to say. You seem to both agree and disagree with me in the same time, but the exact connection of your thoughts is not too clear to me.

Yes, it is true that it was all finished in Christ. But that is subjective, because... 1)He was (past tense) slain before the foundation of the world; 2) then came and fulfilled the law and the prophets for that first told that He must bring (the house of Israel)--which He finished, and even finished for the world from all of time beginning to end; BUT 3) As He himself said "Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall be perfected"--He also must bring that other fold of the gentiles "tomorrow" also foretold by the law and the prophets.

So, my point is, that it is not right to categorically say Jesus finished the law and the prophets, and the whole thing ended then and there--except regarding the house of Israel, or referring to everything actually being finished before the world even began. In other words, to categorically just say that Jesus finished everything then--is only part of the whole, part of the truth--not "all truth." And that is were the idea that His Way of sending prophets ended at that time, as if "I change not" were a lie. That is not the truth from God who changes not.

 

[DJT_47]

Prophesy was one of the spiritual gifts listed in 1Cor 12:8-10. How were those gifts including the gift of prophesy, made manifest? They were all manifested by the laying on of the apostle's hands. And we're told that the gifts would cease per 1 Cor 13:8. So, you can conclude that the gift of prophecy continued for some period as did the other gifts.

 

[MatthewG]

Prophecy stopped with Jesus.

Encouraging people in their walk of faith is great.

I just don't believe people who say "oh Jesus is coming back soon!"

I also just don't believe people who say "oh, I went to that church and I was healed of some pain or whatever..."

Lots of misinformation out there. Jesus was the final and great prophet whom revealed his message to John to be told to the church bride of christ in that age which he was stated to come back soon... which of course many people go to some other verse or something else to negate what is being said in the first place.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

[Mark 1:15 KJV] 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

What is meant that the time was fulfilled?

The time that the prophets wrote about are in view. The prophets wrote of the coming Davidic kingdom on earth, in which, believing Israel will inherit the kingdom and reign with Christ on earth for a thousand years.

[Matthew 11:13 KJV] 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Some say the prophets ended with John. I say that this is not what the verse is saying. This verse is saying that what ended was the prophets speaking about the coming kingdom. Prophecy about the coming kingdom ended with John.

[Luke 16:16 KJV] 16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.hen prop

When John appeared, prophecy about the kingdom stopped, and the kingdom was then preached as being at hand.

Canonized prphecy ceased. but god still tells people of future things eeither individually or as part of a local assembly.

 

[ScottA]

Canonized prphecy ceased. but god still tells people of future things eeither individually or as part of a local assembly.

Unfortunately, the canonizing process has occurred under the watch of many "false teachers" and those who follow the flesh while quenching the spirit. For which "correction" is also a measure given by God during the same time period of the Church age.

 

[ScottA]

Prophecy stopped with Jesus.

That is not biblical Matthew. For by the Holy Spirit "some prophets" are given.

But since you reference Jesus as when prophecy stopped (past tense)-- Was Jesus "stopped?" No, but as Daniel revealed, He was merely "cut off" "in the middle"--in the flesh.

 

[MatthewG]

Don’t know what to say to you ScottA. As you proclaimed you are supposedly a prophet by God bestowing it upon you.

I don’t care about that though. I know you do believe in the resurrection of Yeshua.

I do see prophets as people who encourage to be promoted in growth and watering and it will be God who gives the increase to those who are faithful and he rewards them in spiritual growth in abiding in Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

Don’t know what to say to you ScottA. As you proclaimed you are supposedly a prophet by God bestowing it upon you.

I don’t care about that though. I know you do believe in the resurrection of Yeshua.

I do see prophets as people who encourage to be promoted in growth and watering and it will be God who gives the increase to those who are faithful and he rewards them in spiritual growth in abiding in Christ.

I use the example of Paul and his friend feeding and watering others but the message saying God gives the increase. That doesn’t mean like we increase in ourselves it is an increase in become closer to God as we go about life abiding in the Messiah and allowing God to work in our heart and mind and his sons spirit come through us which does the good.

I just dont believe there people out there making prophetic utterances which are in concordance with what God has already stated in the Bible…

People always who gamble use the string line of often chance of something going down…

Doesn’t mean it was something that had to deal with God though, cause I just don’t believe things like that are just truly from God…





It’s like someone saying oh yes Jesus is coming and there will be a meteor in the sky plus a comet and when it crosses over it will be him that will take us and we will awake to see him, all we have to do tonight is drink this morning juice and by night fall and we go to sleep we will be taken off…


Loads of strange things like this exist out there.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Unfortunately, the canonizing process has occurred under the watch of many "false teachers" and those who follow the flesh while quenching the spirit. For which "correction" is also a measure given by God during the same time period of the Church age.

So you believe the bible is flawed then?

 

[Muna]

Yes, I understood that to be what you said the first time.

And yes, that ended the Old Testament time before Christ. However, the OT prophecies by the OT prophets did not end there--because their prophecies included the times of the gentiles. Do you not understand that?

Also (because you did not hear me the first time, or refuse to even consider it) the word of Christ--the Word--including those words of the OT prophets, was and is to be "the same yesterday, today, and forever." Meaning, yes, the times changed--but God (and His sending of prophets--His Way) does not change. His Word, His Way. This fact is confirmed in the book of Revelation (10:7), where the "finish of the mystery of God" that only comes with the sounding of the seventh angel, "when he is about to sound"--was yet to come "as"...in the same way "as He declared to His servants the prophets."

So in the above shows "as he declared to his servants the prophets", which includes the Gentiles, and following after the verse you point out in Rev 10:7 it speaks of prophesying again after that before all the same here

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

These prophesying here as well

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

 

[ScottA]

So you believe the bible is flawed then?

No, not at all. But since you ask in the way that you have, let me ask you a question:

So you believe that "first to the Jew and then to the Greek (gentile)" and "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever" are false?