Did some of the nephlim survive the flood?
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Webers_Home
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God had sex with a betrothed girl? Wouldn't that make Him not just aENOCH2010 said:
fornicator; but also an adulterer? because Jesus' mom was engaged to
Joseph. In that culture, an engaged woman was considered a married
woman. In the passage below: note that Joseph is clearly labeled "her
husband"
†. Matt 1:18-20 . .When His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph,
before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.
And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not wanting to
disgrace her, desired to put her away quietly. But when he had considered
this, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying:
Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife
God himself decreed that having sex with a betrothed virgin is punishable by
death.
†. Deut 22:23-24 . . If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a
husband, and a man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall
bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to
death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry out in the city,
and the man because he humbled his neighbor's wife; so you shall put away
the evil from among you.
In that passage, betrothed virgins are labeled "his neighbor's wife" meaning
of course that betrothed virgins are as good as married. Nice going genius.
You've given the world cause to literally throw rocks at God.
Back to basics:
The Holy Spirit is a non-material being. It cannot impregnate a material
being with any more ease than a horse rancher attempting to get one of his
mares pregnant by blowing air into her uterus with a tire pump. What the
New Testament says is not that God had sex with Jesus' mom, but that
Jesus' conception was a miracle; simple as that-- no fornication, no adultery,
and no rocks. Very tidy; all nice and legal, and all nice and clean.
Buen Camino
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You are incorrect. The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead. God is Spirit John 4:24, Jesus is Spirit but came from heaven in the form of flesh to save flesh. Hebrews 2:14-17, Philippians 2:6, 7, 8. The Holy Spirit - is Spirit 2 Peter 1:21 and the guarantee of our redemption Ephesians 1:13, 2 Corinthians 5:5. Your analogy re; the Holy Spirits power is extremely vulgar and borders on blasphemy... :huh: The bible says that Jesus was born of a virgin by the Holy Spirit. Matthew 1:18, Luke 1:35, Why do you not believe that???
If Jesus came in the form of a miracle then what hope is there for mankind? since the end result of your theology would mean that salvation can only be had by a miracle and not by the blood of his only begotten Son who died on the cross on our behalf?
Webers_Home
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If it were true that God's Spirit impregnated Jesus' mom, then that would
mean Mary wasn't a virgin when Jesus was born because, technically, she
would have been laid by God. It would also mean that Joseph didn't marry
a virgin; but married a girl commonly regarded as damaged goods.
There are people harboring some very strange thoughts about the Holy
Ghost's relationship with Jesus' mom. I've even heard some claim that Mary
was the Holy Ghost's wife. Were that true, then Jesus' mom would have
been an adulteress when she married Joseph.
†. Rom 7:1-3 . . Do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who
know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he
lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is
living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the
husband. So then if, while her husband is living, she is joined to another
man, she shall be called an adulteress
you seriously have me to believe that your interpretations are infallible and
that you speak as the voice of God? With all due respect Super Moderator
Angelina, your being an expert in interpreting the rules of conduct on this forum
doesn't eo ipso make you an expert in interpreting the Bible. In other words:
wearing that moderator's badge doesn't make you right; it just makes you a
judgmental bigot in an ivory tower. And there is no man-made tower on earth
that God cannot tear down.
Buen Camino
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If it were true that God's Spirit impregnated Jesus' mom, then that would
mean Mary wasn't a virgin when Jesus was born because, technically, she
would have been laid by God. It would also mean that Joseph didn't marry
a virgin; but married a girl commonly regarded as damaged goods.
There are people harboring some very strange thoughts about the Holy
Ghost's relationship with Jesus' mom. I've even heard some claim that Mary
was the Holy Ghost's wife. Were that true, then Jesus' mom would have
been an adulteress when she married Joseph.
†. Rom 7:1-3 . . Do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who
know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he
lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is
living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the
husband. So then if, while her husband is living, she is joined to another
man, she shall be called an adulteress
Is it impossible that you are the one who is incorrect rather than me? WouldAngelina said:
you seriously have me to believe that your interpretations are infallible and
that you speak as the voice of God? With all due respect Super Moderator
Angelina, your being an expert in interpreting the rules of conduct on this forum
doesn't eo ipso make you an expert in interpreting the Bible. In other words:
wearing that moderator's badge doesn't make you right; it just makes you a
judgmental bigot in an ivory tower. And there is no man-made tower on earth
that God cannot tear down.
Buen Camino
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You quoted the scripture yourself that refutes your interpretation, Matt 1 When His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found to be with child BY the HOLY SPIRIT.Webers_Home said:
What part of "born of a virgin" do you not understand? If Jesus was "born of a virgin" this naturally means that he was born of a woman who had not had sexual relations with anyone prior....Her husband was thinking of secretly putting her away because he found that she was with child and did not want her to be made a public spectacle but an angel of the Lord told him in a dream not to be afraid of taking her as his wife...Matthew 1:19, 20, 21.
My understanding of scripture is not infallible however, I am not quoting from my own understanding [unlike yourself] but scripture which btw - interprets itself!
Have you read the bible?
Webers_Home
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You say your understanding of scripture isn't infallible; and then you turnAngelina said:
right around and lecture me as if you believe it is. That's mixed up thinking.
If you truly believe that your understanding isn't infallible, then you need to
soft pedal your understanding instead ramming it down people's throat. In
other words: give yourself room for error instead of pontificating your
understanding and laying it down as if it were law. Never tell someone they
are wrong or that they are incorrect when there is always the possibility that
it is you yourself who is in error. In other words; from now on, be discreet
with your choice of words lest the hapless day arrives when you are forced
to eat them.
It's common for people poorly trained in the scriptures to attest that theAngelina said:
Bible speaks for itself. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Bible has
to be interpreted by Spirit-trained Bible teachers because its words are the
mind of God rather than the mind of man.
You think because you've read the Bible that you know what it says; when all
that you really know is what its words say; but you cannot be sure that you
know what God is saying with those words. It's always been a fascination to
me that the very words that reveal the mind of God also serve to conceal it.
Take for example ENOCH2010's insistence that the words "by the Holy Spirit"
means that God impregnated Jesus' mom. Well; according to Webster's,
impregnate means to fertilize. Now, in some people's minds; fertilization infers
that God had sex with Jesus' mom; and you'd be surprised at the number of
people who really think that's exactly what happened. But if that were true,
then it could not be said that Jesus was virgin-conceived nor could it be said
that Jesus was virgin-born.
No; the real miracle in Jesus' conception is that his mom's ovum produced a
human being sans fertilization of any kind; either human or divine; and that
doesn't surprise me because if God could produce a fully-functioning human
being from lifeless earthen dust, then it should be even easier for Him to
produce a fully-functioning human being from living human tissue; viz: if He
did it once before with Eve; then it should have been no problem for Him to
repeat the process once again with Christ.
ps: Don't forget what I said: there is not a man-made tower on earth that
God cannot pull down. This is a second warning.
A man who remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be
destroyed-- without remedy. (Prov 29:1)
Buen Camino
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The only person in this thread that has said anything about God having sex with Mary is you. I have only shown you what the Bible says, I think I'll believe what the Bible says and let every man be a liar.Webers_Home said:
Thank you ENOCH2010, I agree!
I believe what the bible says over personal interpretations also because the bible is the written by men, inspired by God. The bible does not leave room for personal interpretation or those who desire to twist his words for their own personal vainglory. Which means that truth from lie is clear to all....
Shalom!
I believe what the bible says over personal interpretations also because the bible is the written by men, inspired by God. The bible does not leave room for personal interpretation or those who desire to twist his words for their own personal vainglory. Which means that truth from lie is clear to all....
Shalom!
Webers_Home
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That is such a worn-out cliché; even the Jehovah's Witnesses use it.ENOCH2010 said:
Yet another worn-out cliché. It's one that even atheists use from time toENOCH2010 said:
time. In reality you are believing what you think the Bible says; which is
really no different than what everybody else does; both pro and con.
Are you exempt?ENOCH2010 said:
Buen Camino
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Webers_Home
Well-Known Member
Well; you needn't be concerned about me complaining to forumENOCH2010 said:
management if that's what's stopping you. Complaining is the world's
way of coping with abuse. It is Christ's wishes that his followers turn
the other cheek as per Matt 5:39.
Buen Camino
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Arnie Manitoba said:
Again, the book of Enoch is not recognized by the management of this site as being a part of the biblical canon.
The books that are recognized as being canonical are books accepted by all branches of the universal Church.
Enoch isn't one of them.
For one reason or another "The book of enoch"was excluded from the Bible.But whether you believe it or not it makes for interesting reading.Dodo_David said:
Jude 14 "And Enoch also the seventh from adam,prophesied of these saying,behold,the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints..."
If saint Jude quoted from the book of enoch,then there must be a reason .
I never said it was . I think you are confused about who said what.Dodo_David said:
Here is what I said
Arnie Manitoba said:
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Here are a few key segments from the Book of Enoch which delve into the topic of the Nephilim:
Enoch 6:6 - iii, 3 Excellent lengthy account of the angelic fallen Watchers which for brevity purposes you'll have to research for yourselves.
1 Enoch 6:1 1 And when the sons of men had multiplied, in those days, beautiful, and comely daughters were born to them. 2 And the watchers, the sons of heaven, saw them and desired them. And they said to one another, “Come, let us choose for ourselves wives; from the daughters of men, and let us beget for ourselves children.” 3 And Shemihazah, their chief, said to them, “I fear that you will not want to do this deed, and I alone shall be guilty of a great sin.” 4 And they all answered him and said, “Let us all swear an oath, and let us all bind one another with a curse, that none of us turn back from this counsel until we fulfill it and do this deed.”
1 Enoch 6:6 6 And they were, all of them [watchers], two hundred, who descended in the days of Jared onto the peak of Mount Hermon. And they called the mountain “Hermon” because they swore and bound one another with a curse on it.
1 Enoch 7:1 1 These and all the others with them took for themselves wives from among them such as they chose. And they began to go in to them, and to defile themselves through them, and to teach them sorcery and charms, and to reveal to them the cutting of roots and plants. 2 And they conceived from them and bore to them great giants. … And they were growing in accordance with their greatness. 3 They were devouring the labor of all the sons of men, and men were not able to supply them. 4 And the giants began to kill men and to devour them. 5 And they began to sin against the birds and beasts and creeping things and the fish, and to devour one another’s flesh. And they drank the blood. 6 Then the earth brought accusation against the lawless ones.
1 Enoch 8:1 1 “Asael taught men to make swords of iron and weapons and shields and breastplates and every instrument of war. He showed them metals of the earth and how they should work gold to fashion it suitably, and concerning silver, to fashion it for bracelets and ornaments for women. And he showed them concerning antimony and eye paint and all manner off precious stones and dyes. And the sons of men made them for themselves and for their daughters, and they transgressed and led astray the holy ones. 2 And there was much godlessness upon the earth, and they made their ways desolate. 3 Shemihazah taught spells and the cutting of roots. Hermani taught sorcery for the loosing of spells and magic and skill Baraqel taught the signs of the lightning flashes. Kokabel taught the signs of the stars. Ziqel taught the signs of the shooting stars. Arteqoph taught the signs of the earth. Shamsiel taught the signs of the sun. Sahriel taught the signs of the moon. And they all began to reveal mysteries to their wives and to their children. 4 (And) as men were perishing, the cry went up to heaven.”
1 Enoch 9:1, 6-10 1 Then Michael and Sariel and Raphael and Gabriel looked down from the sanctuary of heaven upon the earth and saw much bloodshed upon the earth. All the earth was filled with the godlessness and violence that had befallen it. … 6 You see what Asael has done, who has taught all iniquity upon the earth, and has revealed the eternal mysteries that are in heaven, which the sons of men were striving to learn. 7 And (what) Shemihazah (has done) to whom you gave authority to rule over them who are with him. 8 They have gone in to the daughters of the men of earth, and they have lain with them, and have defiled themselves with the women. And they have revealed to them all sins, and have taught them to make hate-producing charms. 9 And now behold, the daughters of men have born sons from them, giants, half-breeds. And the blood of men is shed upon the earth, And the whole earth is filled with iniquity. 10 And now behold, the spirits of the souls of the men who have died make suit; and their groan has come up to the gates of heaven; and it does not cease to come forth from before the iniquities that have come upon the earth. …
1 Enoch 10:1 1 Then the Most High said, and the Great Holy One spoke. And he sent Sariel to the son of Lamech [Noah], saying, 2 “Go to Noah and say to him in my name, ‘Hide yourself. And reveal to him that the end is coming, that the whole earth will perish; And tell him that a deluge is about to come on the whole earth and destroy everything on the earth. 3 Teach the righteous one what he should do, the son of Lamech how he may preserve himself alive and escape forever. From him a plant will be planted, and his seed will endure for all the generations of eternity.”
1 Enoch 10:4-8 4 To Raphael he said, “Go, Raphael, and bind Asael hand and foot; and cast him into the darkness; And make an opening in the wilderness that is in Doudael. 5 There cast him, and lay beneath him sharp stones and jagged stones. And cover him with darkness, and let him dwell there forever. Cover up his face, and let him not see the light. 6 And on the day of the great judgment, he will be led away to the burning conflagration. 7 And heal the earth, which the watchers have desolated; and announce the healing of the earth; that the plague may be healed, and all the sons of men may not perish because of the mystery that the watchers told and taught their sons. 8 And all the earth was made desolate by the deeds of the teaching of Asael. And over him write all the sins.”
1 Enoch 10:9-10 9 And to Gabriel he said, “Go, Gabriel, to the bastards; to the half-breeds, to the sons of miscegenation; and destroy the sons of the watchers from among the sons of men; send them against one another in a war of destruction. And length of days they will not have; 10 and no petition will be (granted) to their fathers in their behalf, that they should expect to live an eternal life, nor even that each of them should live five hundred years.”
1 Enoch 15:8-12, 16:1 8 But now the giants who were begotten by the spirits and flesh—they will call them evil spirits upon the earth, for their dwelling will be upon the earth. 9 The spirits that have gone forth from the body of their flesh are evil spirits, for from humans they came into being, and from the holy watchers was the origin of their creation. Evil spirits they will be on the earth, and evil spirits they will be called. 10 The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling; but the spirits begotten in the earth, on earth is their dwelling. 11 And the spirits of the giants <lead astray>, do violence, make desolate, and attack and wrestle and hurl upon the earth and <cause illnesses>. They eat nothing, but abstain from food and are thirsty and smite. 12 These spirits (will) rise up against the sons of men and against the women, for they have come forth from them. Chapter 16:1 1 “From the day of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the soul of whose flesh the spirits are proceeding, they are making desolate without (incurring) judgment. Thus they will make desolate until the day of the consummation of the great judgment, when the great age will be consummated. It will be consummated all at once.
1 Enoch 10:11-15 11 And to Michael he said, “Go, Michael, bind Shemihazah and the others with him, who have united themselves with the daughters of men, so that they were defiled by them in their uncleanness. 12 And when their sons perish and they see the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, until the day of their judgment and consummation, until the eternal judgment is consummated. 13 Then they will be led away to the fiery abyss, and to the torture, and to the prison where they will be confined forever. 14 And everyone who is condemned and destroyed henceforth will be bound together with them until the consummation of their generation. <And at the time of the judgment, which I shall judge, they will perish for all generations.> 15 Destroy all the spirits of the half-breeds and the sons of the watchers, because they have wronged men.
1 Enoch 12:3-6 3 I, Enoch, was standing, blessing the Lord of majesty, the King of the ages. And behold, the watchers of the Great Holy One called me, Enoch the scribe, and said to me, 4 “Enoch, righteous scribe, go and say to the watchers of heaven—who forsook the highest heaven, the sanctuary of the(ir) eternal station, and defiled themselves with women. As the sons of earth do, so they did and took wives for themselves. 5 And they wrought great desolation on the earth—‘You will have no peace or forgiveness.’ 6 “And concerning their sons, in whom they rejoice—The slaughter of their beloved ones they will see; and over the destruction of their sons they will lament and make petition forever, and they will have no mercy or peace.
1 Enoch 13:4-7 4 And they asked that I write a memorandum of petition for them, that they might have forgiveness, and that I recite the memorandum of petition for them in the presence of the Lord of heaven. 5 For they were no longer able to speak or to lift their eyes to heaven out of shame for the deeds through which they had sinned and for which they had been condemned. 6 Then I wrote out the memorandum of their petition, and the requests concerning themselves, with regard to their deeds individually, and concerning <their sons> for whom they were making request, that they might have forgiveness and longevity. 7 And I went and sat by the waters of Dan in the land of Dan, which is south of Hermon, to the west. I recited (to God) the memorandum of their petition until I fell asleep.
1 Enoch 14:4-6 4 I wrote up your petition, and in the vision it was shown to me thus, that you will not obtain your petition for all the days of eternity; but judgment has been consummated in the decree against you, 5 that from now on you will not ascend into heaven for all the ages; and it has been decreed to bind you in bonds in the earth for all the days of eternity. 6 And that before these things, you will see the destruction of your sons, your beloved ones; And that you will have no pleasure in them; but they will fall before you by the sword.
1 Enoch 15:1-7 1 But he answered and said to me—and I heard his voice—“Fear not, Enoch, righteous man and scribe of truth. Come here, and hear my voice. 2 Go and say to the watchers of heaven, who sent you to petition in their behalf, ‘You should petition in behalf of men, and not men in behalf of you. 3 Why have you forsaken the high heaven, the eternal sanctuary; and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men; and taken for yourselves wives, and done as the sons of earth; and begotten for yourselves sons; giants? 4 You were holy ones and spirits, living forever. With the blood of women you have defiled yourselves, and with the blood of flesh you have begotten; And with the blood of men you have lusted, and you have done as they do—flesh and blood, who die and perish. 5 Therefore I gave them women, that they might cast seed into them, and thus beget children by them, that nothing fail them upon the earth. 6 But you originally existed as spirits, living forever, and not dying for all the generations of eternity. 7 Therefore I did not make women among you.’ The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;
" And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offenses. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.” – Enoch 15:8-12
Cf. Enoch 106:3-4
'(Howbeit,) I, Enoch, [have words of reassurance for you. This child [i.e., Noah] does not come from any of] the heavenly beings but from [your] son, Lamech.
"...And I, Enoch, answered and said unto him:
'The Lord will do a new thing on the earth, and this I have
already seen in a vision, and make known to thee that in the generation of
my father Jared some of the angels of heaven transgressed the word of the
Lord. And behold they commit sin and transgress the law, and have united
themselves with women and commit sin with them, and have married some
of them, and have begot children by them. And they shall produce on the
earth giants not according to the spirit, but according to the flesh, and there
shall be a great punishment on the earth, and the earth shall be cleansed
from all impurity. Yea, there shall come a great destruction over the whole
earth, and there shall be a deluge and 16 a great destruction for one year.
And this son who has been born unto you shall be left on the earth, and his
three children shall be saved with him: when all mankind that are on the
earth 8 shall die [he and his sons shall be saved]. And now make known to
thy son Lamech that he who has been born is in truth his son, and call his
name Noah; for he shall be left to you, and he and his sons shall be saved
from the destruction, which shall come upon the earth on account of all the
sin and all the unrighteousness, which shall be consummated on the earth
in his days. And after that there shall be still more unrighteousness than
that which was first consummated on the earth; for I know the mysteries of
the holy ones; for He, the Lord, has showed me and informed me, and I
have read (them) in the heavenly tablets." --Enoch 106:12-16
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Enoch 6:6 - iii, 3 Excellent lengthy account of the angelic fallen Watchers which for brevity purposes you'll have to research for yourselves.
1 Enoch 6:1 1 And when the sons of men had multiplied, in those days, beautiful, and comely daughters were born to them. 2 And the watchers, the sons of heaven, saw them and desired them. And they said to one another, “Come, let us choose for ourselves wives; from the daughters of men, and let us beget for ourselves children.” 3 And Shemihazah, their chief, said to them, “I fear that you will not want to do this deed, and I alone shall be guilty of a great sin.” 4 And they all answered him and said, “Let us all swear an oath, and let us all bind one another with a curse, that none of us turn back from this counsel until we fulfill it and do this deed.”
1 Enoch 6:6 6 And they were, all of them [watchers], two hundred, who descended in the days of Jared onto the peak of Mount Hermon. And they called the mountain “Hermon” because they swore and bound one another with a curse on it.
1 Enoch 7:1 1 These and all the others with them took for themselves wives from among them such as they chose. And they began to go in to them, and to defile themselves through them, and to teach them sorcery and charms, and to reveal to them the cutting of roots and plants. 2 And they conceived from them and bore to them great giants. … And they were growing in accordance with their greatness. 3 They were devouring the labor of all the sons of men, and men were not able to supply them. 4 And the giants began to kill men and to devour them. 5 And they began to sin against the birds and beasts and creeping things and the fish, and to devour one another’s flesh. And they drank the blood. 6 Then the earth brought accusation against the lawless ones.
1 Enoch 8:1 1 “Asael taught men to make swords of iron and weapons and shields and breastplates and every instrument of war. He showed them metals of the earth and how they should work gold to fashion it suitably, and concerning silver, to fashion it for bracelets and ornaments for women. And he showed them concerning antimony and eye paint and all manner off precious stones and dyes. And the sons of men made them for themselves and for their daughters, and they transgressed and led astray the holy ones. 2 And there was much godlessness upon the earth, and they made their ways desolate. 3 Shemihazah taught spells and the cutting of roots. Hermani taught sorcery for the loosing of spells and magic and skill Baraqel taught the signs of the lightning flashes. Kokabel taught the signs of the stars. Ziqel taught the signs of the shooting stars. Arteqoph taught the signs of the earth. Shamsiel taught the signs of the sun. Sahriel taught the signs of the moon. And they all began to reveal mysteries to their wives and to their children. 4 (And) as men were perishing, the cry went up to heaven.”
1 Enoch 9:1, 6-10 1 Then Michael and Sariel and Raphael and Gabriel looked down from the sanctuary of heaven upon the earth and saw much bloodshed upon the earth. All the earth was filled with the godlessness and violence that had befallen it. … 6 You see what Asael has done, who has taught all iniquity upon the earth, and has revealed the eternal mysteries that are in heaven, which the sons of men were striving to learn. 7 And (what) Shemihazah (has done) to whom you gave authority to rule over them who are with him. 8 They have gone in to the daughters of the men of earth, and they have lain with them, and have defiled themselves with the women. And they have revealed to them all sins, and have taught them to make hate-producing charms. 9 And now behold, the daughters of men have born sons from them, giants, half-breeds. And the blood of men is shed upon the earth, And the whole earth is filled with iniquity. 10 And now behold, the spirits of the souls of the men who have died make suit; and their groan has come up to the gates of heaven; and it does not cease to come forth from before the iniquities that have come upon the earth. …
1 Enoch 10:1 1 Then the Most High said, and the Great Holy One spoke. And he sent Sariel to the son of Lamech [Noah], saying, 2 “Go to Noah and say to him in my name, ‘Hide yourself. And reveal to him that the end is coming, that the whole earth will perish; And tell him that a deluge is about to come on the whole earth and destroy everything on the earth. 3 Teach the righteous one what he should do, the son of Lamech how he may preserve himself alive and escape forever. From him a plant will be planted, and his seed will endure for all the generations of eternity.”
1 Enoch 10:4-8 4 To Raphael he said, “Go, Raphael, and bind Asael hand and foot; and cast him into the darkness; And make an opening in the wilderness that is in Doudael. 5 There cast him, and lay beneath him sharp stones and jagged stones. And cover him with darkness, and let him dwell there forever. Cover up his face, and let him not see the light. 6 And on the day of the great judgment, he will be led away to the burning conflagration. 7 And heal the earth, which the watchers have desolated; and announce the healing of the earth; that the plague may be healed, and all the sons of men may not perish because of the mystery that the watchers told and taught their sons. 8 And all the earth was made desolate by the deeds of the teaching of Asael. And over him write all the sins.”
1 Enoch 10:9-10 9 And to Gabriel he said, “Go, Gabriel, to the bastards; to the half-breeds, to the sons of miscegenation; and destroy the sons of the watchers from among the sons of men; send them against one another in a war of destruction. And length of days they will not have; 10 and no petition will be (granted) to their fathers in their behalf, that they should expect to live an eternal life, nor even that each of them should live five hundred years.”
1 Enoch 15:8-12, 16:1 8 But now the giants who were begotten by the spirits and flesh—they will call them evil spirits upon the earth, for their dwelling will be upon the earth. 9 The spirits that have gone forth from the body of their flesh are evil spirits, for from humans they came into being, and from the holy watchers was the origin of their creation. Evil spirits they will be on the earth, and evil spirits they will be called. 10 The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling; but the spirits begotten in the earth, on earth is their dwelling. 11 And the spirits of the giants <lead astray>, do violence, make desolate, and attack and wrestle and hurl upon the earth and <cause illnesses>. They eat nothing, but abstain from food and are thirsty and smite. 12 These spirits (will) rise up against the sons of men and against the women, for they have come forth from them. Chapter 16:1 1 “From the day of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the soul of whose flesh the spirits are proceeding, they are making desolate without (incurring) judgment. Thus they will make desolate until the day of the consummation of the great judgment, when the great age will be consummated. It will be consummated all at once.
1 Enoch 10:11-15 11 And to Michael he said, “Go, Michael, bind Shemihazah and the others with him, who have united themselves with the daughters of men, so that they were defiled by them in their uncleanness. 12 And when their sons perish and they see the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, until the day of their judgment and consummation, until the eternal judgment is consummated. 13 Then they will be led away to the fiery abyss, and to the torture, and to the prison where they will be confined forever. 14 And everyone who is condemned and destroyed henceforth will be bound together with them until the consummation of their generation. <And at the time of the judgment, which I shall judge, they will perish for all generations.> 15 Destroy all the spirits of the half-breeds and the sons of the watchers, because they have wronged men.
1 Enoch 12:3-6 3 I, Enoch, was standing, blessing the Lord of majesty, the King of the ages. And behold, the watchers of the Great Holy One called me, Enoch the scribe, and said to me, 4 “Enoch, righteous scribe, go and say to the watchers of heaven—who forsook the highest heaven, the sanctuary of the(ir) eternal station, and defiled themselves with women. As the sons of earth do, so they did and took wives for themselves. 5 And they wrought great desolation on the earth—‘You will have no peace or forgiveness.’ 6 “And concerning their sons, in whom they rejoice—The slaughter of their beloved ones they will see; and over the destruction of their sons they will lament and make petition forever, and they will have no mercy or peace.
1 Enoch 13:4-7 4 And they asked that I write a memorandum of petition for them, that they might have forgiveness, and that I recite the memorandum of petition for them in the presence of the Lord of heaven. 5 For they were no longer able to speak or to lift their eyes to heaven out of shame for the deeds through which they had sinned and for which they had been condemned. 6 Then I wrote out the memorandum of their petition, and the requests concerning themselves, with regard to their deeds individually, and concerning <their sons> for whom they were making request, that they might have forgiveness and longevity. 7 And I went and sat by the waters of Dan in the land of Dan, which is south of Hermon, to the west. I recited (to God) the memorandum of their petition until I fell asleep.
1 Enoch 14:4-6 4 I wrote up your petition, and in the vision it was shown to me thus, that you will not obtain your petition for all the days of eternity; but judgment has been consummated in the decree against you, 5 that from now on you will not ascend into heaven for all the ages; and it has been decreed to bind you in bonds in the earth for all the days of eternity. 6 And that before these things, you will see the destruction of your sons, your beloved ones; And that you will have no pleasure in them; but they will fall before you by the sword.
1 Enoch 15:1-7 1 But he answered and said to me—and I heard his voice—“Fear not, Enoch, righteous man and scribe of truth. Come here, and hear my voice. 2 Go and say to the watchers of heaven, who sent you to petition in their behalf, ‘You should petition in behalf of men, and not men in behalf of you. 3 Why have you forsaken the high heaven, the eternal sanctuary; and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men; and taken for yourselves wives, and done as the sons of earth; and begotten for yourselves sons; giants? 4 You were holy ones and spirits, living forever. With the blood of women you have defiled yourselves, and with the blood of flesh you have begotten; And with the blood of men you have lusted, and you have done as they do—flesh and blood, who die and perish. 5 Therefore I gave them women, that they might cast seed into them, and thus beget children by them, that nothing fail them upon the earth. 6 But you originally existed as spirits, living forever, and not dying for all the generations of eternity. 7 Therefore I did not make women among you.’ The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;
" And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offenses. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them.” – Enoch 15:8-12
Cf. Enoch 106:3-4
'(Howbeit,) I, Enoch, [have words of reassurance for you. This child [i.e., Noah] does not come from any of] the heavenly beings but from [your] son, Lamech.
"...And I, Enoch, answered and said unto him:
'The Lord will do a new thing on the earth, and this I have
already seen in a vision, and make known to thee that in the generation of
my father Jared some of the angels of heaven transgressed the word of the
Lord. And behold they commit sin and transgress the law, and have united
themselves with women and commit sin with them, and have married some
of them, and have begot children by them. And they shall produce on the
earth giants not according to the spirit, but according to the flesh, and there
shall be a great punishment on the earth, and the earth shall be cleansed
from all impurity. Yea, there shall come a great destruction over the whole
earth, and there shall be a deluge and 16 a great destruction for one year.
And this son who has been born unto you shall be left on the earth, and his
three children shall be saved with him: when all mankind that are on the
earth 8 shall die [he and his sons shall be saved]. And now make known to
thy son Lamech that he who has been born is in truth his son, and call his
name Noah; for he shall be left to you, and he and his sons shall be saved
from the destruction, which shall come upon the earth on account of all the
sin and all the unrighteousness, which shall be consummated on the earth
in his days. And after that there shall be still more unrighteousness than
that which was first consummated on the earth; for I know the mysteries of
the holy ones; for He, the Lord, has showed me and informed me, and I
have read (them) in the heavenly tablets." --Enoch 106:12-16
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Daniel4:13 "I saw in the visions of my head upon my bed,and,behold,a watcher and a holy one came down from heaven;"
The flood is symbolism for baptism. I am not implying that the actual flood did not occur, but the flood was the answer to the problem of mixed seed. We are the product of this involution into the waters. All 7 billion of us today are here to see the conclusion to the matter. The beasts are riding in the water and we are in pairs. Why do I say this?
Genesis 6
6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
To get this mystery, we need to consult a few books not found in our present Bibles, but were formally found in the older versions of early Christian Bibles. Enoch, Epistle of Barnabas, Book of Adam and Eve and the book of Jubilees. In Jubilees, God shows us the jubilees, which are years to God for the purpose of His Genesis timetable. A grand Jubilee is 50 years (7X7+1). That gives us 6000 years before God brings all things to an end. 120 X 50 = 6000. What is the process of accomplishing this? Moses and Enoch told us. The flood, which was then defined as Baptism in the New Testament. "What," you say? I could show you here, but instead, I will show you the easier route. Ultimately, this is the formula (7x7)+1 for more than just a timeline of our current week. It represents Genesis 1 (one week) and Genesis 2 (week 2) plus the last day when time ends and eternity is.
First, Enoch needs to give you the timetable:
Enoch One
1 I The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said, "Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come.
He says that the Righteous MUST be with the wicked at the end. He says, "righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation." You must be born again. Acts 24 says the same thing. Check Revelation 1:7. Does it say that the generation that pierced Christ would be here to see him return? Yes! What did Paul say?
Paul
15 and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 16 So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.
Check. Both the righteous and wicked would be raised (resurrected). The wicked are the ones that are brought back with the righteous to see Christ return.
What else did Enoch say?
And the Lord said unto Michael: ’Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves 12 with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is 13 for ever and ever is consummated.
Seventy Generations was given to the Watchers (Guardian-Cherubs / see Ezekiel 28). The seventy generations can be calculated by knowing that Enoch was taken by God 950 past Adam. A generation is the precession of the Earth divided by 360. 25920 years divided by 360 is 5040 years. Add this to the approximate time Enoch was taken and you have 6000 years within 10.
Consult the Epistle of Barnabas
Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.
Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an en
2 Days -Adam to Abraham 2000 Years of Age 1 (FATHER)
2 Days -Abraham to Jesus 2000 Years of Age 2 (SON)
2 Days -Jesus to Today 2000 Years of Age 3 (HOLY SPIRIT)
1 Day -Day of Rest (Day of the Lord) 1000 years (SALVATION)
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7 Days (7000 years - Approximately 6000 have passed)
Pause here for one moment. Why did the Mayans leave a long-count calendar of 5125.25 years? What was December 21st, 2012 marking? Why were all the pyramid sites left at various locations around the world? See this video: Karl Munck shows you. It was a Meridian grid system marking territory.
Consult the book of Adam and Eve
1 God said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and you and your descendants shall live and
walk in them, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created you, and against which
you have transgressed, the Word that made you come out of the garden, and that raised you when you were fallen.
2 Yes, the Word that will again save you when the five and a half days are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five and a half days, he did not understand the
meaning of them.4 For Adam was thinking there would be only five and a half days for him until the end of the world. 5 And Adam cried, and prayed to God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in his mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and likeness, explained to him, that these
were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his descendants.
The flood is the central story to Enoch's story. He gives the mystery away later when he speaks of the flood and the cattle (Beasts in the water).
We also get this story from the Greek Myth of Helios.
From Wikipedia:
In the Odyssey, Odysseus and his surviving crew land on Thrinacia, an island sacred to the sun god, whomCirce names Hyperion rather than Helios. There, the sacred red cattle of the Sun were kept: You will now come to the Thrinacian island, and here you will see many herds of cattle and flocks of sheep belonging to the sun-god. There will be seven herds of cattle and seven flocks of sheep, with fifty heads in each flock. They do not breed, nor do they become fewer in number, and they are tended by the goddesses Phaethusa and Lampetia, who are children of the sun-god Hyperion byNeaera. Their mother when she had borne them and had done suckling them sent them to the Thrinacian island, which was a long way off, to live there and look after their father's flocks and herds.
In Genesis 1, we have the story of Elohim creating the universe. In Genesis 2, we have the story of the Lord (Son of God) creating our garden with restrictions. Elohim rested on the seventh day. In Genesis 2, we see the next week of Creation. Seven times Seven is Fifty. First, there are Cattle for seven days. They there are Sheep.
I do not pay much attention to the Greek myths, but when I read this, I knew what it was saying. When I read about Helios letting his Son drive the Sun, I knew what was being said when it was shown that Phaëton nearly burned up the earth in his reckless driving of the sun chariot. Why did the Greeks have echoes of these mysteries? For one, Babel. For another, this:
Enoch One
"You have been in heaven, but fall the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and
you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the
women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4 Say to them
therefore: "You have no peace." ’
The fallen Watchers knew the mysteries, but not fully. Enoch called theirs the worthless versions.
Read my Guardian Post on Freedom to see this more clearly: Post on freedom and the Guardian mystery of Ruth 2 and Ezekiel 28...
Genesis 6
6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
To get this mystery, we need to consult a few books not found in our present Bibles, but were formally found in the older versions of early Christian Bibles. Enoch, Epistle of Barnabas, Book of Adam and Eve and the book of Jubilees. In Jubilees, God shows us the jubilees, which are years to God for the purpose of His Genesis timetable. A grand Jubilee is 50 years (7X7+1). That gives us 6000 years before God brings all things to an end. 120 X 50 = 6000. What is the process of accomplishing this? Moses and Enoch told us. The flood, which was then defined as Baptism in the New Testament. "What," you say? I could show you here, but instead, I will show you the easier route. Ultimately, this is the formula (7x7)+1 for more than just a timeline of our current week. It represents Genesis 1 (one week) and Genesis 2 (week 2) plus the last day when time ends and eternity is.
First, Enoch needs to give you the timetable:
Enoch One
1 I The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect and righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked and godless are to be removed. And he took up his parable and said, "Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, which the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is 3 for to come.
He says that the Righteous MUST be with the wicked at the end. He says, "righteous, who will be 2 living in the day of tribulation." You must be born again. Acts 24 says the same thing. Check Revelation 1:7. Does it say that the generation that pierced Christ would be here to see him return? Yes! What did Paul say?
Paul
15 and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. 16 So I strive always to keep my conscience clear before God and man.
Check. Both the righteous and wicked would be raised (resurrected). The wicked are the ones that are brought back with the righteous to see Christ return.
What else did Enoch say?
And the Lord said unto Michael: ’Go, bind Semjaza and his associates who have united themselves with women so as to have defiled themselves 12 with them in all their uncleanness. And when their sons have slain one another, and they have seen the destruction of their beloved ones, bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgement and of their consummation, till the judgement that is 13 for ever and ever is consummated.
Seventy Generations was given to the Watchers (Guardian-Cherubs / see Ezekiel 28). The seventy generations can be calculated by knowing that Enoch was taken by God 950 past Adam. A generation is the precession of the Earth divided by 360. 25920 years divided by 360 is 5040 years. Add this to the approximate time Enoch was taken and you have 6000 years within 10.
Consult the Epistle of Barnabas
Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.
Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an en
2 Days -Adam to Abraham 2000 Years of Age 1 (FATHER)
2 Days -Abraham to Jesus 2000 Years of Age 2 (SON)
2 Days -Jesus to Today 2000 Years of Age 3 (HOLY SPIRIT)
1 Day -Day of Rest (Day of the Lord) 1000 years (SALVATION)
-------
7 Days (7000 years - Approximately 6000 have passed)
Pause here for one moment. Why did the Mayans leave a long-count calendar of 5125.25 years? What was December 21st, 2012 marking? Why were all the pyramid sites left at various locations around the world? See this video: Karl Munck shows you. It was a Meridian grid system marking territory.
Consult the book of Adam and Eve
1 God said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and you and your descendants shall live and
walk in them, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created you, and against which
you have transgressed, the Word that made you come out of the garden, and that raised you when you were fallen.
2 Yes, the Word that will again save you when the five and a half days are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five and a half days, he did not understand the
meaning of them.4 For Adam was thinking there would be only five and a half days for him until the end of the world. 5 And Adam cried, and prayed to God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in his mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and likeness, explained to him, that these
were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his descendants.
The flood is the central story to Enoch's story. He gives the mystery away later when he speaks of the flood and the cattle (Beasts in the water).
We also get this story from the Greek Myth of Helios.
From Wikipedia:
In the Odyssey, Odysseus and his surviving crew land on Thrinacia, an island sacred to the sun god, whomCirce names Hyperion rather than Helios. There, the sacred red cattle of the Sun were kept: You will now come to the Thrinacian island, and here you will see many herds of cattle and flocks of sheep belonging to the sun-god. There will be seven herds of cattle and seven flocks of sheep, with fifty heads in each flock. They do not breed, nor do they become fewer in number, and they are tended by the goddesses Phaethusa and Lampetia, who are children of the sun-god Hyperion byNeaera. Their mother when she had borne them and had done suckling them sent them to the Thrinacian island, which was a long way off, to live there and look after their father's flocks and herds.
In Genesis 1, we have the story of Elohim creating the universe. In Genesis 2, we have the story of the Lord (Son of God) creating our garden with restrictions. Elohim rested on the seventh day. In Genesis 2, we see the next week of Creation. Seven times Seven is Fifty. First, there are Cattle for seven days. They there are Sheep.
I do not pay much attention to the Greek myths, but when I read this, I knew what it was saying. When I read about Helios letting his Son drive the Sun, I knew what was being said when it was shown that Phaëton nearly burned up the earth in his reckless driving of the sun chariot. Why did the Greeks have echoes of these mysteries? For one, Babel. For another, this:
Enoch One
"You have been in heaven, but fall the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and
you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the
women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4 Say to them
therefore: "You have no peace." ’
The fallen Watchers knew the mysteries, but not fully. Enoch called theirs the worthless versions.
Read my Guardian Post on Freedom to see this more clearly: Post on freedom and the Guardian mystery of Ruth 2 and Ezekiel 28...
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