Did the ancient Pagan Religions get picked up as 'tradition'?

[Philip James]

AD 310-It brought in the pagan prayers for the dead about 300 years after Christ

Hmmm,

Not pagan, 2 Macc 12:42-46

Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.

He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;

for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.

But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.

Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

And then there's 1Cor 15:29

Otherwise, what will people accomplish by having themselves baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are they having themselves baptized for them?


As the very first item on your list is demonstrably false, I won't waste any time on the rest of it.

Peace be with you!

 

[Yehren]

Ok Hobie, You need to get off the trace back thing because it is going to bite you in the tail. Marriage ceremonies were not required nor was it a custom of Jews…Jews learnt it from the Persians. Early Christian did not date, their fathers chose their husbands….explain that to your daughter.

And initially, a Christian couple would just stand up before the congregation, and announce that they were pledging to each other. The concept of marriage as a formal sacrament, requiring a bishop or one ordained by him, took some time to develop.

 

[Grailhunter]

And initially, a Christian couple would just stand up before the congregation, and announce that they were pledging to each other. The concept of marriage as a formal sacrament, requiring a bishop or one ordained by him, took some time to develop.

Marriage is a matter of the heart. But the funny thing is that the requirement for public ceremonies...as in law to require one, was to cut down on secret weddings...In Europe, wealth and power structures would develop as a surprise because of secret wedding.

 

[Hobie]

Hmmm,

Not pagan, 2 Macc 12:42-46

Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen.

He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;

for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.

But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought.

Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

And then there's 1Cor 15:29

Otherwise, what will people accomplish by having themselves baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, then why are they having themselves baptized for them?


As the very first item on your list is demonstrably false, I won't waste any time on the rest of it.

Peace be with you!

That's why its not Canon...

 

[Hobie]

Pretty much every culture has a winter solstice tradition. Which is why they tend to be around Dec. 25. However, you've confused the old Roman calendar, with the Julian calendar reform (ordered by Julius Caesar) and the Gregorian calendar reform (ordered by Pope Gregory XIII).


It's not surprising that Christians took over traditional solstice celebrations, converting them to Christian celebrations.

Yes, and guess where they come from...

BBC - Religions - Paganism: The Pagan year

 

[Philip James]

That's why its not Canon...

Canonical or not, it demonstrates that prayers for the dead were offered by Jews. So, not pagan....

And the verse from Corinthians demonstrates that , from the very beginning, Christians prayed for the dead...

Clearly your list then is bogus..

Peace!

 

[Hobie]

Canonical or not, it demonstrates that prayers for the dead were offered by Jews. So, not pagan....

And the verse from Corinthians demonstrates that , from the very beginning, Christians prayed for the dead...

Clearly your list then is bogus..

Peace!

Need to look below the surface...
"Kaddish or Qaddish or Qadish (Aramaic: קדיש‎ "holy") is a hymn of praises to God found in Jewish prayer services. The central theme of the Kaddish is the magnification and sanctification of God's name. In the liturgy, different versions of the Kaddish are used functionally as separators between sections of the service.

The term "Kaddish" is often used to refer specifically to "The Mourner's Kaddish", said as part of the mourning rituals in Judaism in all prayer services, as well as at funerals (other than at the gravesite, see Qaddish aḥar Haqqəvurah "Qaddish after Burial") and memorials, and for 11 months after the death of a close relative. When mention is made of "saying Kaddish", this unambiguously refers to the rituals of mourning. Mourners say Kaddish to show that despite the loss they still praise God.

Along with the Shema Yisrael and Amidah, the Kaddish is one of the most important and central elements in the Jewish liturgy. Kaddish cannot be recited alone. Along with some prayers, it can only be recited with a minyan of ten Jews....

Deuteronomy 34:8
And the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended.