Did the Apostle Paul believe in a forever burning hell?

[Grailhunter]

What are you talking about?

Deu_32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
2Sa_22:6 The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;
Job_11:8 It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know?
Job_26:6 Hell is naked before him, and destruction hath no covering.
Psa_9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.


Psa_16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Psa 15:10 Origen's Greek Hexapla - ὅτι οὐκ ἐγκαταλείψεις τὴν ψυχήν μου εἰς ᾅδην οὐδὲ δώσεις τὸν ὅσιόν σου ἰδεῖν διαφθοράν.

This OT verse, is even directly cited in the NT texts (Act. 2:27-31, 13:35-38):

Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:27 GNT TR - οτι ουκ εγκαταλειψεις την ψυχην μου εις αδου ουδε δωσεις τον οσιον σου ιδειν διαφθοραν
Act 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Psa_18:5 The sorrows of hell compassed me about: the snares of death prevented me.
Psa_55:15 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
Psa_86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
Psa_116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
Psa_139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Pro_5:5 Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell.
Pro_7:27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
Pro_9:18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
Pro_15:11 Hell and destruction are before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?
Pro_15:24 The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.
Pro_23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
Pro_27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.
Isa_5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Isa_14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
Isa_14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa_28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isa_28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Isa_57:9 And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase thyself even unto hell.
Eze_31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
Eze_31:17 They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
Eze_32:21 The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
Eze_32:27 And they shall not lie with the mighty that are fallen of the uncircumcised, which are gone down to hell with their weapons of war: and they have laid their swords under their heads, but their iniquities shall be upon their bones, though they were the terror of the mighty in the land of the living.
Amo_9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:
Jon_2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
Hab_2:5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations, and heapeth unto him all people:

LOL
You need to check the actual scriptures......
Like I said, they did not understand why Hell was not in the Old Testament scriptures so they put it there in the inaccurate translations like the King James Version.
Hades is a Greek word inserted into the Hebrew and in the Greek Hades is a god and the word Hell does not exist until the 8th century.

 

[Beebster]

You should read the Bible some time.

Ah, the retort of a simple mind.

Why would I be ashamed of what Jesus said?

You shouldn't be, and no one suggested that.
What I said was:

"You should be ashamed of yourself for declaring that Christ is not the Savior of the world."

You sure like to spin things. That or you have reading comprehension issues.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.​

Spin that Jack. Explain to us just how Jesus will fail at the task his Father sent him here to do.

Declare once again that Christ is not the Saviour of the world.

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[Beebster]

It seems that the main apologetic they use for that idea is the broad and narrow way.
"Few there be that find it." As if God is making sport with our souls.

Gee, St. Steven, don't you know that God created earth to be one giant soul processing plant and that in the end Satan takes home the biggest prize?

These folks should wear shirts that read "Go team Satan"

 

[Jack]

Ah, the retort of a simple mind.

You shouldn't be, and no one suggested that.
What I said was:

"You should be ashamed of yourself for declaring that Christ is not the Savior of the world."

HIGHLY conditional upon believing Jesus of the Bible!

You sure like to spin things. That or you have reading comprehension issues.

1 John 4:14​

And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.​

Spin that Jack. Explain to us just how Jesus will fail at the task his Father sent him here to do.

Declare once again that Christ is not the Saviour of the world.

Why don't you mention what Jesus said about BILLIONS of humans burning in Hell FOREVER??? You're being totally evasive.

 

[Beebster]

HIGHLY conditional upon believing Jesus of the Bible!

That day will come Jack.

Philippians 2:10-11

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

Why don't you mention what Jesus said about BILLIONS of humans burning in Hell FOREVER???

Because Jesus never said billions of humans would burn in hell forever; you did.

Stop making things up.

 

[Jack]

That day will come Jack.

Philippians 2:10-11​

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;​

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

Why do you avoid what Jesus said about Hell fire SEVERAL times?

Rev 20 The will be tormented day and night FOREVER ...

Because Jesus never said billions of humans would burn in hell forever; you did.
Stop making things up.

Yes He did.

Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it!

You're picking parts of the Bible you like and avoiding the parts your don't like. You're making up your own personal god.

 

[St. SteVen]

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

 

[St. SteVen]

You're picking parts of the Bible you like and avoiding the parts your don't like. You're making up your own personal god.

That saw cuts both ways.

 

[Jack]

That saw cuts both ways.

Hardly. I'm a Bible defender. You're a Bible attacker. See the diff?

Quoting STV: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible".

 

[St. SteVen]

Hardly. I'm a Bible defender. You're a Bible attacker. See the diff?

Quoting STV: "no wonder I don't trust the Bible".

Is the Bible your god and savior?

 

[Jack]

Is the Bible your god and savior?

No, God of the Bible is. His Name is Jesus. Do you have a Savior? Better get one soon. Tomorrow may be too late.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

 

[Beebster]

Why do you avoid what Jesus said about Hell fire SEVERAL times?

As I said your hell does not exist. Hades, gehenna, tartaroo, sheol, the pit, the grave, the lake of fire all exist. But, to turn all of those into some fabled christian hellhole is lazy, deceitful, fearful and downright sinful.

That kind of dishonesty has deceived the whole world. Satan was behind it and all the Cristian nations followed right along.

Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it!

I don't see the word "hell" or "billions" in that verse. Do you?
You make assumptions based on what you've been taught and then you spin it to align with your doctrine.

 

[Jack]

As I said your hell does not exist.

Should we believe you or Jesus? I keep quoting Jesus. You keep quoting YOU.

Hades, gehenna, tartaroo, sheol, the pit, the grave, the lake of fire all exist. But, to turn all of those into some fabled christian hellhole is lazy, deceitful, fearful and downright sinful.

You don't even know Who warned us about the Furnace of Fire! Hint: It was Jesus.

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just,
50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

That kind of dishonesty has deceived the whole world. Satan was behind it and all the Cristian nations followed right along.

Satan is the one who convinced you there is no Hell Fire!

I don't see the word "hell" or "billions" in that verse. Do you?
You make assumptions based on what you've been taught and then you spin it to align with your doctrine.

I'm quoting Jesus. All you have is opinions.

Mark 9:43-44
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

Why don't YOU quote Jesus???

 

[Beebster]

Mark 9:43-44
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched-- 44 where 'Their worm does not die, And the fire is not quenched.'

Funny thing Jack, I've never once walked into a church and seen the whole congregation missing their hands. And neither have you. So either Christians know that this verse is not to be taken literally or they just don't believe as much as they claim to.

Why don't YOU quote Jesus???

Sure. Try this on for size:

John 12
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Did you catch that Jack?

Now go on and deny, once again, that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world.

 

[Jack]

Funny thing Jack, I've never once walked into a church and seen the whole congregation missing their hands. And neither have you. So either Christians know that this verse is not to be taken literally or they just don't believe as much as they claim to.

The literal meaning is perfectly clear. It's better to chop off body parts than to burn in Hell forever. I hope you don't find out the HARD way!

Sure. Try this on for size:

John 12
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Did you catch that Jack?

Now go on and deny, once again, that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world.

He is the Savior for all who believe and serve Him!

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

 

[JohnDB]

Kirk Cameron has made this topic popular again by coming out saying he believes in annihilation.

 

[Beebster]

The literal meaning is perfectly clear. It's better to chop off body parts than to burn in Hell forever. I hope you don't find out the HARD way!

Sure, and all the parking spots at every church is marked " Handicapped" right?

He is the Savior for all who believe!

Yes Jack, and if you had been paying attention to the Word of God ( that's Christ by the way) you might have realized that everyone will believe on Christ. Let's read it again:

Philippians 2:10-11​

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That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;​

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

That's right, but "He that believeth not" will still be resurrected.

 

[Beebster]

Kirk Cameron has made this topic popular again by coming out saying he believes in annihilation.

I read that in the news the other day.
And though the doctrine of annihilation is infinately more humane than eternal torment in hell fire, it too is false.

Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the whole world and as much as the church hates to hear that, it is nevertheless true.

 

[Jack]

Sure, and all the parking spots at every church is marked " Handicapped" right?

You sound like the parking lot attendant. Tell us.

Yes Jack, and if you had been paying attention to the Word of God ( that's Christ by the way) you might have realized that everyone will believe on Christ. Let's read it again:

Philippians 2:10-11​

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;​

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

Of course everyone will believe, even those heading for Hell Fire, FOREVER.

That's right, but "He that believeth not" will still be resurrected.

Bingo!

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:12-15
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Jack]

I read that in the news the other day.
And though the doctrine of annihilation is infinately more humane than eternal torment in hell fire, it too is false.

Matthew 25:41-46
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life."

Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the whole world and as much as the church hates to hear that, it is nevertheless true.

Only those who believe and serve Him! Hell will be filled with BILLIONS of humans who don't believe in Hell! Why do you keep evading Jesus' clear doctrine of EVERLASTING Fire? The most important doctrine in the NT!