Did the Apostle Paul believe in a forever burning hell?

[JohnDB]

I read that in the news the other day.
And though the doctrine of annihilation is infinately more humane than eternal torment in hell fire, it too is false.

Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the whole world and as much as the church hates to hear that, it is nevertheless true.

I understand how everyone has an opinion and solid reasoning to support their position. The thing is that both sides of the issue do not have sufficient proofs to make a solid definitive answer. I have a side that I have reasons for leaning towards but in truth....I know for certain that I'm not absolutely positive. I'm not God and I'm scared to speak for God.

PLUS

I'm unconcerned about Hell. I'm not going there. I love God too much for me to go there. I don't believe that God is going to reject my love, care, and concern. I have so little influence over others that I don't preach about the eternal effects of unbelief....I can and do preach about the earthly effects of belief or unbelief. There are real world effects of living a Godly life vx unGodly life. Many of these control your entire earthly life even if they are something committed in 30 minutes or less.

Just saying....

 

[St. SteVen]

You still didn't answer my SIMPLE Christian questions. Let's try again.

Who is your god?

Which parts of the Bible do you believe are the Word of God?

 

[Grailhunter]

Cherry picking the scriptures is no way to form a religious belief(s).

What Does the Bible Say About Hell?

Bible verses about Hell

www.openbible.info

 

[Jack]

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Your total evasion speaks for itself!

I doubt if you will answer, but why are you in a Christian Forum???

 

[St. SteVen]

Your total evasion speaks for itself!

As does your constant trolling.

 

[Jack]

As does your constant trolling.

Defending the Bible from your constant attacks is trolling?

 

[Beebster]

Bingo!

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:12-15
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

You should know, these folks haven't been resurrected yet.

So much for Bingo.

 

[Beebster]

Only those who believe and serve Him! Hell will be filled with BILLIONS of humans who don't believe in Hell! Why do you keep evading Jesus' clear doctrine of EVERLASTING Fire? The most important doctrine in the NT!

You're kidding, right?

 

[Jack]

You should know, these folks haven't been resurrected yet.

So much for Bingo.

No kidding? lol

 

[Jack]

You're kidding, right?

No kidding. You're evading what Jesus said about EVERLASTING fire. Do you even have a clue what Jesus said?

 

[Beebster]

I understand how everyone has an opinion and solid reasoning to support their position. The thing is that both sides of the issue do not have sufficient proofs to make a solid definitive answer. I have a side that I have reasons for leaning towards but in truth....I know for certain that I'm not absolutely positive. I'm not God and I'm scared to speak for God.

I am curious which belief you subscribe to. And yes I believe there is proof.

Matthew 7:7
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

PLUS

I'm unconcerned about Hell. I'm not going there. I love God too much for me to go there. I don't believe that God is going to reject my love, care, and concern. I have so little influence over others that I don't preach about the eternal effects of unbelief....I can and do preach about the earthly effects of belief or unbelief. There are real world effects of living a Godly life vx unGodly life. Many of these control your entire earthly life even if they are something committed in 30 minutes or less.

Just saying....

Nice.
And no you certainly are not going to some fiery hellhole.

Peace.

 

[Beebster]

No kidding. You're evading what Jesus said about EVERLASTING fire. Do you even have a clue what Jesus said?

Luke 9:53-55
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And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

But he turned, and REBUKED them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

He said that Jack.

 

[Jack]

Luke 9:53-55​

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And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

But he turned, and REBUKED them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

He said that Jack.

And you don't have a clue what Jesus said about Hell Fire!

 

[David Lamb]

Luke 9:53-55​

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And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.

And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?

But he turned, and REBUKED them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

He said that Jack.

But what makes you think that the disciples, in saying "fire to come down from heaven" were referring to hell? Hell is separate from heaven, so fire from heaven cannot be hell.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hell is real! But…..the topic can be confusing, because of that the Jehovah's Witnesses and others try to use the confusion to deny it’s existence. But Hell is real…..so let’s straighten this out. Hear are some facts….

1. Hell is not mentioned in the Old Testament.

2. The understanding of an eternal fiery place of eternal punishment did not exist during the Old Testament period.

3. Some Christians did not understand why Hell was not in the Old Testament.

4. So they put it there with some of the older translational processes.

5. Some times they used the word Hades. Hades is a Greek word, it cannot be in a Hebrew text.... wrong time period. Hades is a Greek god that reigned over an underworld of the same name. No fire but kind of like a spiritual prison.

6. Hell was new information in the New Testament so there was no word for an eternal fiery place of punishment. The word Hell comes out in the 8th century….Anglo-Saxon-German.

7. Because there was no word for Hell Yeshua and the Apostles referenced it in different ways…. explanations and examples like Gehenna. They also used the Greek word Hades and changed what it meant. This was not uncommon, some call it Christian Greek. The Greek language and culture did not have Christian terms or concepts. So Yeshua and the Apostles improvised using words and modifying the meaning. Like I said, Hades is a Greek god that reigned over an underworld of the same name.

8. Hell is real!

Matthew 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the Gehenna of fire.

Matthew 5:29-30 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into Gehenna. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into Gehenna.

Matthew 8:12 While the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.

Matthew 3:12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Matthew 13:41-42 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 13:50 And throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 23:15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of Gehenna as yourselves.

Matthew 23:33 You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to Gehenna?

Matthew 24:51 And will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:41 Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Mark 9:43 And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to Gehenna, to the unquenchable fire.

Mark 9:45 And if your foot offend you, cut if off: it is better to you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into Gehenna, into the fire that never shall be quenched.

Mark 9:48 where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.

Luke 3:17 His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Luke 12:5 But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into Gehenna. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

Luke 16:19-31 “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

John 5:28-29 Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

2nd Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,

2nd Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into Tartarus and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; Tartarus means deep abyss.

Jude 1:7 Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, they serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Revelation 1:18 And the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

Revelation 14:10 He also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20:12-15--- 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

You can look the scriptures up and see what words was actually used.

 

[St. SteVen]

Beebster said:

Luke 9:53-55​

And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
But he turned, and REBUKED them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

But what makes you think that the disciples, in saying "fire to come down from heaven" were referring to hell? Hell is separate from heaven, so fire from heaven cannot be hell.

That wasn't the point. (as I understand it)
The point was that Jesus wasn't going to use fire that way. (for destruction)
The suggestion of the disciples was not in alignment with the Spirit.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

 

[Jack]

Beebster said:

Luke 9:53-55​

And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
But he turned, and REBUKED them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.

That wasn't the point. (as I understand it)
The point was that Jesus wasn't going to use fire that way. (for destruction)
The suggestion of the disciples was not in alignment with the Spirit.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

Why don't you quote what Jesus said about the EVERLASTING FIRE several times????

 

[St. SteVen]

Why don't you quote what Jesus said about the EVERLASTING FIRE several times????

That's not a whole Bible view.
I posted the parts of the Bible that you don't trust.

 

[Jack]

That's not a whole Bible view.

It's the most important doctrine in the Bible! Ask those in Hell Fire.

I posted the parts of the Bible that you don't trust.

Rev 21 All LIARS shall have their part in the Lake of Fire!

You don't like that part, huh? How about the other warnings of Jesus about Hell Fire? You just pick the parts you like? You don't even know why you're in a Christian Forum constantly attacking the Bible like Satan's messengers heading for Hell? You don't even know who your god is?

 

[St. SteVen]

You just pick the parts you like?

That saw cuts both ways.
Did you cut these scriptures out of your Bible?

Acts 3:21 NIV
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 NIV
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32, 36
32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

John 1:29 NIV
... The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said,
“Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

1 Timothy 4:10 NIV
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.

1 John 4:14 NIV
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:15-16
But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man,
how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
16 Nor can the gift of God be compared with the result of one man’s sin:
The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the gift followed many trespasses and brought justification.

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Colossians 1:19-20
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:1-6
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time.

Romans 3:24 NIV
and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Romans 9:16 NIV
It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.

James 2:13 NIV
... Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Matthew 18:11 NKJV
For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.

Luke 19:10 NIV
For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

Ecclesiastes 12:14 NIV
For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.

1 John 4:18 NIV
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear,
because fear has to do with punishment.
The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

Mark 9:49 NIV
Everyone will be salted with fire.

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.