Did the Apostle Paul believe in a forever burning hell?

[3 Resurrections]

I understand what you are saying but in the spirit world I am not sure if you have a spinning planet and a sun.
I interpret this to mean.....around the clock.....never ceasing....eternity.....forever. Which goes along with the other scriptures.

The word "forever" does not necessarily mean perpetual in Scripture. Here is but one example in Isaiah 32:14-15. "Because the palaces will be forsaken, The bustling city will be deserted. The forts and towers will become lairs FOREVER, A joy of wild donkeys, a pasture of flocks - UNTIL the Spirit is poured upon us from on high..." In this text, "forever" conditions last continually "UNTIL" a change is decreed for those conditions.

It is the same for the "aionas ton aionon" conditions for those being tormented while having been thrown "ALIVE" into that "Lake of Fire" environment. "Ages" have ending points in time. This was not describing the perpetual condition of a kind of spirit world, after-life existence for the wicked dead. It was going to be a particular location on this planet, with the conditions of "day and night" still operating on the planet, while those "alive" individuals were being tormented during a phase of their natural lifetime on earth before they physically died. This location for the "Lake of Fire" was in the city of Jerusalem when the city was in the process of being burned down for its "second death" during the AD 66-70 years - comparable to the first death of Jerusalem under the 587 BC Babylonian destruction.

 

[Jack]

The word "forever" does not necessarily mean perpetual in Scripture. Here is but one example in Isaiah 32:14-15. "Because the palaces will be forsaken, The bustling city will be deserted. The forts and towers will become lairs FOREVER, A joy of wild donkeys, a pasture of flocks - UNTIL the Spirit is poured upon us from on high..." In this text, "forever" conditions last continually "UNTIL" a change is decreed for those conditions.

It is the same for the "aionas ton aionon" conditions for those being tormented while having been thrown "ALIVE" into that "Lake of Fire" environment. "Ages" have ending points in time. This was not describing the perpetual condition of a kind of spirit world, after-life existence for the wicked dead. It was going to be a particular location on this planet, with the conditions of "day and night" still operating on the planet, while those "alive" individuals were being tormented during a phase of their natural lifetime on earth before they physically died. This location for the "Lake of Fire" was in the city of Jerusalem when the city was in the process of being burned down for its "second death" during the AD 66-70 years - comparable to the first death of Jerusalem under the 587 BC Babylonian destruction.

You don't believe in EVERLASTING life???

Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

Everlasting, the exact same Greek word, NEVER ending!

 

[St. SteVen]

Aionios mistranslated as "eternal" or "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.

All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios", the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" or "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46. See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.

Matthew 13:22
The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Luke 18:29-30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Compare: Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Luke 20:35; Ephesians 1:21

Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)

 

[Jack]

Aionios mistranslated as "eternal" or "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.

Matthew 25:46
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.
Everlasting, the exact same Greek word, NEVER ending!

All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios", the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" or "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46. See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.

Matthew 13:22
The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Luke 18:29-30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”

Compare: Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Luke 20:35; Ephesians 1:21

Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)

Why don't you quote all the times Jesus / NT mentioned THE FIRE? Don't know? Don't wanna know?

 

[Grailhunter]

The word "forever" does not necessarily mean perpetual in Scripture. Here is but one example in Isaiah 32:14-15. "Because the palaces will be forsaken, The bustling city will be deserted. The forts and towers will become lairs FOREVER, A joy of wild donkeys, a pasture of flocks - UNTIL the Spirit is poured upon us from on high..." In this text, "forever" conditions last continually "UNTIL" a change is decreed for those conditions.

It is the same for the "aionas ton aionon" conditions for those being tormented while having been thrown "ALIVE" into that "Lake of Fire" environment. "Ages" have ending points in time. This was not describing the perpetual condition of a kind of spirit world, after-life existence for the wicked dead. It was going to be a particular location on this planet, with the conditions of "day and night" still operating on the planet, while those "alive" individuals were being tormented during a phase of their natural lifetime on earth before they physically died. This location for the "Lake of Fire" was in the city of Jerusalem when the city was in the process of being burned down for its "second death" during the AD 66-70 years - comparable to the first death of Jerusalem under the 587 BC Babylonian destruction.

LOL You sound like a Jehovah's Witness. They try to convince people that the scriptures do not say what they say. Forever means eternity and both words are used and Hell exists as a fiery eternal punishment, just as the scriptures say....

One of the funnies of the Jehovah's Witness is that they do not even know the name of God the Father. The names are Yahweh and Yeshua. There are no J's in the scriptures....Yob....Yacob....Yoshua etc.

 

[Jack]

Basic JW doctrine: the Bible doesn't mean what it says. It means what our WatchTower masters say.

 

[3 Resurrections]

LOL You sound like a Jehovah's Witness.

I am a Reformed Baptist Preterist. Originally raised Pre-Mil Disp. from my infancy, but having dumped the majority of this mistaken training about 14 years ago in favor of what Scripture was teaching me.

Forever means eternity and both words are used and Hell exists and fiery eternal punishment, just as the scriptures say...

No, Scripture does not always link "forever" with a perpetual reality. Remember the "forever" conditions put upon circumcision, or the practicing tribe of the Levitical priesthood (changed to the superior high priesthood after the order of Melchezedek), or the "covenant of an everlasting priesthood" granted to the family of Phinehas for his faithfulness in Num. 25:13? In time, all these examples came to experience a change in those "forever" conditions.

Yes, Hell (Hades - the grave) exists, and even Christ went into it for three days and nights. But it does not consist of the terms and descriptions which many arbitrarily put upon that word, contrary to Scripture.

The "fiery eternal punishment" you are defining differently than Scripture does. It is GOD the Ancient of Days who has that stream of consuming fire emerging from before His throne in heaven (Daniel 7:9-10). HE is the Eternal Source of that eternal fire, and punishments which He decrees with His own eternal fire are punishments of destruction, which decreed punishments are never rescinded - causing the entity or individual to "PERISH" thereby.

 

[Grailhunter]

No, Scripture does not always link "forever" with a perpetual reality.

You may find a few that do not but the vast majority do. Look at yourself, you are trying to make the scriptures say what you believe. Hell is an eternal fiery punishment. That is the truth.

 

[Jack]

No, Scripture does not always link "forever" with a perpetual reality.

Just when it fits YOUR doctrine! Preterists have a HUGE surprise dead ahead. Much like JW's!

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, Hell (Hades - the grave) exists, and even Christ went into it for three days and nights. But it does not consist of the terms and descriptions which many arbitrarily put upon that word, contrary to Scripture.

Hell is not in the Bible and Hades is a Greek god of an underworld of the same name. Why?
They did not have a name for the fiery furnace in the biblical period. The word Hell is not coined until the 8th century.
So Yeshua and the Apostles used descriptions. Plenty of warnings.

 

[Jack]

Yes, Hell (Hades - the grave) exists, and even Christ went into it for three days and nights.

Are you calling Jesus a sinner??? ONLY sinners go to Hell! Now you're sounding like Copeland one of the worst heretics who ever lived!

 

[Jack]

Yes, burning the evil. (wood, hay and stubble)
Even believers will undergo that judgment.

Let's look at the near context. Scripture below.
Countless billions have gone to the afterlife with no knowledge of God,
So, they will be punished for all eternity? That can't right.

I think "everlasting destruction" is a reference to the quality of the destruction not the duration.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-10
He will punish those who do not know God
and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction
and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might
10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be
marveled at among all those who have believed.
This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you.

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See how God made you admit!

 

[3 Resurrections]

Are you calling Jesus a sinner??? ONLY sinners go to Hell!

You forget this text. "Thou wilt not leave my soul in Hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." Hell (Hades / Sheol) was the conditions of the grave, into which Christ's physical body was placed for the duration of three days and nights while His soul went into what was called Paradise to preach to the captive spirits.

Hell is not in the Bible and Hades is a Greek god of an underworld of the same name. Why?
They did not have a name for the fiery furnace in the biblical period. The word Hell is not coined until the 8th century.
So Yeshua and the Apostles used descriptions. Plenty of warnings.

The "fiery furnace" was located in the city of Jerusalem, according to the Scriptures. Jerusalem of old time had a furnace which was used to ritually purify any donated items for the temple which could withstand passing through fire before being dedicated to God. Isaiah 31:9 wrote of God "...whose FIRE is in ZION, and HIS FURNACE IN JERUSALEM." The entire city of Jerusalem became a "furnace" in the AD 66-70 period, in which God caused the people to pass through that fiery "Lake of Fire" process. This purification process "burned up" the "chaff" in the city.

 

[Grailhunter]

You forget this text. "Thou wilt not leave my soul in Hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." Hell (Hades / Sheol) was the conditions of the grave, into which Christ's physical body was placed for the duration of three days and nights while His soul went into what was called Paradise to preach to the captive spirits.


The "fiery furnace" was located in the city of Jerusalem, according to the Scriptures. Jerusalem of old time had a furnace which was used to ritually purify any donated items for the temple which could withstand passing through fire before being dedicated to God. Isaiah 31:9 wrote of God "...whose FIRE is in ZION, and HIS FURNACE IN JERUSALEM." The entire city of Jerusalem became a "furnace" in the AD 66-70 period, in which God caused the people to pass through that fiery "Lake of Fire" process. This purification process "burned up" the "chaff" in the city.

Like I said they used descriptions. Gehenna was a trash dump that was always on fire. They borrowed the word Hades as an underworld punishment. The New Testament was mostly written in Koine Greek, but the Pagan Greek language did not have Christian theological terms so we have something some call Christian Greek. Where the Apostles took Greek words and changed their meaning.
For example if a Roman shot an arrow and missed his target it was called a sin. Not a morality thing. The Christians took the word and added the meaning----transgression against God.

 

[Jack]

You forget this text. "Thou wilt not leave my soul in Hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." Hell (Hades / Sheol) was the conditions of the grave, into which Christ's physical body was placed for the duration of three days and nights while His soul went into what was called Paradise to preach to the captive spirits.

Why didn't you quote chapter and verse? So Jesus was in Hell and paradise? That makes about as much sense as anything else you've said.

The "fiery furnace" was located in the city of Jerusalem, according to the Scriptures.

Lord have mercy!

Jerusalem of old time had a furnace which was used to ritually purify any donated items for the temple which could withstand passing through fire before being dedicated to God. Isaiah 31:9 wrote of God "...whose FIRE is in ZION, and HIS FURNACE IN JERUSALEM." The entire city of Jerusalem became a "furnace" in the AD 66-70 period, in which God caused the people to pass through that fiery "Lake of Fire" process. This purification process "burned up" the "chaff" in the city.

 

[Jack]

I am a Reformed Baptist Preterist. Originally raised Pre-Mil Disp. from my infancy, but having dumped the majority of this mistaken training about 14 years ago in favor of what Scripture was teaching me.

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,

 

[St. SteVen]

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

Like the forever burning hell doctrine.

 

[Jack]

Like the forever burning hell doctrine.

You're talking about Jesus' doctrine! Jesus will remember EVERY word you spoke against Him! Won't Judgment Day be interesting!

Matthew 12:37 By your words you will be condemned.

You have a lot of words to pay for STV!

 

[St. SteVen]

You have a lot of words to pay for STV!

You have a lot bad behavior to answer for.
Disgraceful.

 

[Jack]

You have a lot bad behavior to answer for.
Disgraceful.

Yeah, defending the Bible is REAL "disgraceful" to Satan's Bible attackers! It really upsets them on the road to Hell Fire.