quietthinker
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Context determines any meaning of anything. To not understand that, one can believe pigs fly.
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quietthinker
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Oh Jack....I'm trying to communicate with you meaningfully yet you deflect and misrepresent all my efforts.
Then why are you rejecting Jesus' Words? Hell is eternal, as is eternal life. Same Greek Word!
quietthinker
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eternal death Jack, means you are dead forever. Hell is eternal death. It does not mean living in agony forever
Says Kingdom Hall? "Death" NEVER means "cease to exist" in the Bible.
quietthinker
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" Will not the Creator of the universe do what is right"
I'm not smart enough to be "God's Critic" ....how about you?
I'm not smart enough to be "God's Critic" ....how about you?
How is it there’s only one way to eternal life for humans (being given the down payment of the Holy Spirit) and yet, men having not received His Spirit will live eternally?
My wish? How is quoting God my wish? The Bible is God's Word. ETERNAL life is the exact same Greek Word as ETERNAL punishment. Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell.
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So we have mortals being thrown into the same fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
Then we have the unholy trinity tormented forever. (In that fire).
But what you CANT read there is that mortals thrown there will be tormented forever. You can make that assumption, but you cannot read it.
A pretty good "assumption" I think, since Jesus did use the term "EVERLASTING fire", and considering Luke 16 where the rich man died and was quite alive and tormented in the fire.
Men making assumptions and leaning on their own understanding is how we have such a big mess going on.
I'm "assuming" that Jesus is correct when He used the exact same word for "eternal" life and "eternal" punishment.
I’m assuming you’re not correct when your leaven ends with eternal life meaning to live forever and eternal death also meaning to live forever. Everyone ever born lives forever so the second death has no meaning.
Its just a continuation of: did God REALLY say you would die….? You won’t die!
"Death" never means "cease to exist" in the Bible, even though one JW here actually said that Jesus "ceased to exist" for three days. We are clearly told, "they will be tormented day and night forever and ever". The rich man was quite alive in the fire after he died physically.
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You’re throwing a mishmash out there, including the verse we just discussed and your assumption regarding it.
Assumptions and approximations and your own reasoning is a poor way to handle scripture. But, it’s what you’ve chosen and no one will be able to talk you out of it, so…carry on then.
I quoted Jesus. Only Satan's children would call what Jesus says "mishmash".
quietthinker
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ahhhhhh, excuse me, could the holier than thou crowd please step to the right; ascension clothes are pressed and waiting for you.......and all the rest of the riff-raff, there'll be no asbestos lined shoes as an entrance gift to the hot party!
Jesus is indeed "holier than thou", and here's what He said:
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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