Dispensational problems

[Truth7t7]

This is a rather weak argument. Just because something was not discussed by early Christians means absolutely nothing.

We need to go to Scripture itself to determine whether Dispensationalism is true. The very fact that there is one called "the dispensation of the fulness of times" (Eph 1:10 KJV) is sufficient to indicate that there are other dispensations: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

This is a reference to the future Kingdom of God in the New Heavens and the New Earth. "The fulness of times" means that all the various ages allotted to mankind have been completed.

Dispensations generally correspond to the various covenants, and during each of those periods, God was dealing with mankind in specific ways. That is really all that is involved. But because Dispensationalism reveals that Covenant Theology is unsound, those who hold to Covenant Theology (which includes Replacement Theology) hate Dispensationalism. The Church and Israel are separate entities as we can see even in Romans 11.

Paul refers three times to a "dispensation" of the grace of God which was given to him -- 1 Cor 9:17; Eph 3:2; Col 1:25. What does this word mean? The Greek word is oikonomia and here are its meanings -- stewardship or administration:

Strong's Concordance
oikonomia: stewardship, administration
Original Word: οἰκονομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikonomia
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kon-om-ee'-ah)
Definition: stewardship, administration
Usage: management of household affairs, stewardship, administration.

So now one needs to ask:
1. Was Adam given a stewardship? Absolutely
2. Was Noah given a stewardship? Absolutely
3. Was Abraham given a stewardship? Absolutely
4. Was Moses given a stewardship? Absolutely
5. Was Jesus given a stewardship? Absolutely
6. Was Paul given a stewardship? Absolutely

In fact the stewardship of Christ extends from His time on earth, through the Church Age, through the Millennial Kingdom, and into eternity. And when His stewardship is complete, He will hand back all things to God the Father.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor 15:23)

As we can see, any and all attacks against Dispensationalism are just nonsense.

Your claim is in error, (Dual Covenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) Jew/Church is found no place in scripture

There is one covenant between God and man, the shed blood upon Calvary period

If your 50% Jewish, do you obtain 50% of Gods blessing and covenant, smiles

All covenants and promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the promised "Seed" not ethnic Jew's "Seeds"

Galatians 3:16KJV16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

As we can see, any and all attacks against Dispensationalism are just nonsense.

A pre-trib rapture is the fabrication of man, namely John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield, and found no place in God's words

Scofield in his 1909 reference bible was the greatest influence, planting dispensationalism in the minds and hearts of the unsuspecting, selling million of copies worldwide, that contained the teachings of Darby's pre-trib rapture in the reference notes

Yes Scofield is the very foundation of dispensationalism's world headquarters at (Dallas Theological Seminary) with his prodigy (Lewis S. Chafer) being its pioneer and inception

Scofield abandoned his wife Leotine and two daughters Abigail and Helen, and ran off with the young college girl (Hettie Van Wark) in marriage, being 17 years her senior, yes this adulterous relationship gave the world the Scofield 1909 reference bible

And dont forget the Adulterer in Hal Lindsey, on his fourth wife, hailing from Dallas Theological, prominent teacher and book writer promoting dispensationalism

C.I. Scofield, A Corrupt Tree With Corrupt Fruit

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

[GodsGrace]

This is a rather weak argument. Just because something was not discussed by early Christians means absolutely nothing.

We need to go to Scripture itself to determine whether Dispensationalism is true. The very fact that there is one called "the dispensation of the fulness of times" (Eph 1:10 KJV) is sufficient to indicate that there are other dispensations: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

This is a reference to the future Kingdom of God in the New Heavens and the New Earth. "The fulness of times" means that all the various ages allotted to mankind have been completed.

Dispensations generally correspond to the various covenants, and during each of those periods, God was dealing with mankind in specific ways. That is really all that is involved. But because Dispensationalism reveals that Covenant Theology is unsound, those who hold to Covenant Theology (which includes Replacement Theology) hate Dispensationalism. The Church and Israel are separate entities as we can see even in Romans 11.

Paul refers three times to a "dispensation" of the grace of God which was given to him -- 1 Cor 9:17; Eph 3:2; Col 1:25. What does this word mean? The Greek word is oikonomia and here are its meanings -- stewardship or administration:

Strong's Concordance
oikonomia: stewardship, administration
Original Word: οἰκονομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikonomia
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kon-om-ee'-ah)
Definition: stewardship, administration
Usage: management of household affairs, stewardship, administration.

So now one needs to ask:
1. Was Adam given a stewardship? Absolutely
2. Was Noah given a stewardship? Absolutely
3. Was Abraham given a stewardship? Absolutely
4. Was Moses given a stewardship? Absolutely
5. Was Jesus given a stewardship? Absolutely
6. Was Paul given a stewardship? Absolutely

In fact the stewardship of Christ extends from His time on earth, through the Church Age, through the Millennial Kingdom, and into eternity. And when His stewardship is complete, He will hand back all things to God the Father.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor 15:23)

As we can see, any and all attacks against Dispensationalism are just nonsense.

Each new Covenant did not abolish the previous one but only added to ot of changed it somewhat.

So what does this do to your list of 6 items?

Sorry for the question,,,I'm just learning about this.

 

[Enoch111]

Each new Covenant did not abolish the previous one but only added to or of changed it somewhat. So what does this do to your list of 6 items?

It makes no difference. God was preparing the world for the First Coming of Christ and the Gospel, and now He is preparing the world for the Second Coming of Christ and judgment. After that He will establish the New Heavens and the New Earth.

What we need to see is that revelation was progressive since creation, and yet many prophecies need to be fulfilled in the future. What the anti-Dispensationalists hate is the fact that even though Israel rejected Christ at His first coming, God will fulfil His covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the nation of Israel will be redeemed and restored as greater Israel on earth.

At the same time the eternal home of the Church will be in the New Jerusalem, and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will also be there along with the OT saints and the NT saints. But the twelve apostles of the Lamb will sit on twelve thrones, ruling the twelve tribes of Israel as promised by Christ. And all believers will be a Royal Priesthood.

 

[Enoch111]

A pre-trib rapture is the fabrication of man, namely John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield, and found no place in God's words

How many times do you have to be told to stop spreading your lies and slanderous comments? Since you call the Rapture "a fabrication of man" when it is divine doctrine, you will be held seriously accountable for calling God and Christ liars.

 

[Truth7t7]

even though Israel rejected Christ at His first coming, God will fulfil His covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the nation of Israel will be redeemed and restored as greater Israel on earth.

At the same time the eternal home of the Church will be in the New Jerusalem, and Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will also be there along with the OT saints and the NT saints. But the twelve apostles of the Lamb will sit on twelve thrones, ruling the twelve tribes of Israel as promised by Christ. And all believers will be a Royal Priesthood.

Your claim is in error, (Dual Covenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) Jew/Church is found no place in scripture

There is one covenant between God and man, the shed blood upon Calvary period

If your 50% Jewish, do you obtain 50% of Gods blessing and covenant, smiles

All covenants and promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the promised "Seed" not ethnic Jew's "Seeds"

Galatians 3:16KJV16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

How many times do you have to be told to stop spreading your lies and slanderous comments? Since you call the Rapture "a fabrication of man" when it is divine doctrine, you will be held seriously accountable for calling God and Christ liars.

Your claims of myself being a liar is a false accusation

Yes it's a fact that C.I. Scofield and Hal Lindsey were/are adulterers (Fact)

Yes it's a fact that John N. Darby & C.I. Scofield are foundations of dispensationalism and the pre-trib rapture

Yes dispensationalism in a pre-trib rapture is a teaching in error, found no place in the scripture (Fact)

It appears you have a hard time handling the truth, in any person opposing your teachings and beliefs, with false personal attacks in error

 

[bbyrd009]

No not at all of course they are the church as it’s non essential doctrine.

hmm

 

[bbyrd009]

Sorry for the question,,,I'm just learning about this

i found it really easy to have no opinion about
how ya been?

 

[GodsGrace]

i found it really easy to have no opinion about
how ya been?

LOL
Ditto!
But it's good to know what persons are speaking about.
I think!

OK bb.
Some good
Some bad
It's life.
R U ok?

 

[Iconoclast]

I don't know too much about dispensationalism.
The bible is for everyone except we are not under the law of Moses,,,,613 laws.

Are you a dispensationalist?
Are you reformed?

As a new Christian I was taught that the dispensational system was true.
It took me several years to learn that system..
After studying the book of Hebrews for a few years, I came to take a look at more historic positions.
I never had difficulty with election and predestination, so I eventually discovered that what I see in scripture is definitely Reformed.
I did not know the terms, history, people, or controversies, how ever I knew God is God and we are not.
If I could be of help to you let me know

 

[Iconoclast]

This is a rather weak argument. Just because something was not discussed by early Christians means absolutely nothing.

We need to go to Scripture itself to determine whether Dispensationalism is true. The very fact that there is one called "the dispensation of the fulness of times" (Eph 1:10 KJV) is sufficient to indicate that there are other dispensations: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

This is a reference to the future Kingdom of God in the New Heavens and the New Earth. "The fulness of times" means that all the various ages allotted to mankind have been completed.

Dispensations generally correspond to the various covenants, and during each of those periods, God was dealing with mankind in specific ways. That is really all that is involved. But because Dispensationalism reveals that Covenant Theology is unsound, those who hold to Covenant Theology (which includes Replacement Theology) hate Dispensationalism. The Church and Israel are separate entities as we can see even in Romans 11.

Paul refers three times to a "dispensation" of the grace of God which was given to him -- 1 Cor 9:17; Eph 3:2; Col 1:25. What does this word mean? The Greek word is oikonomia and here are its meanings -- stewardship or administration:

Strong's Concordance
oikonomia: stewardship, administration
Original Word: οἰκονομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: oikonomia
Phonetic Spelling: (oy-kon-om-ee'-ah)
Definition: stewardship, administration
Usage: management of household affairs, stewardship, administration.

So now one needs to ask:
1. Was Adam given a stewardship? Absolutely
2. Was Noah given a stewardship? Absolutely
3. Was Abraham given a stewardship? Absolutely
4. Was Moses given a stewardship? Absolutely
5. Was Jesus given a stewardship? Absolutely
6. Was Paul given a stewardship? Absolutely

In fact the stewardship of Christ extends from His time on earth, through the Church Age, through the Millennial Kingdom, and into eternity. And when His stewardship is complete, He will hand back all things to God the Father.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor 15:23)

As we can see, any and all attacks against Dispensationalism are just nonsense.

The word dispensation is different than dispensationalism

 

[Truth7t7]

The word dispensation is different than dispensationalism

I agree, we all believe in dispensations, but not all agree with Darby & Scofields dispensationalism

 

[Zao is life]

What the anti-Dispensationalists hate is the fact that even though Israel rejected Christ at His first coming, God will fulfil His covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the nation of Israel will be redeemed and restored as greater Israel on earth.

What dispense with the blood of Christ sensationalists (Dispensationalists) fail to accept and believe is that God has already fulfilled His covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the day Jesus shed His blood:

"Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah."

"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Jeremiah 31:31; Matthew 26:28).

"And so all Israel shall be saved; as it is written, "There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob." (Romans 11:26).

There is only ONE deliverer, and He is Christ. "For all the promises of God in Him are yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God by us." "And to Abraham and to his Seed the promises were spoken. It does not say, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ." (2 Corinthians 1:20; Galatians 3:16)

"Is the Law then against the promises of God? Let it not be said! For if a law had been given which could have given life, indeed righteousness would have been out of Law." (Galatians 3:21).

God has ALREADY fulfilled His promises to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and has ALREADY given them a new covenant, but it is THEY who refuse it, and there is only ONE qualifying factor for the genetic seed to be re included:

"And those also, IF THEY DO NOT CONTINUE IN UNBELIEF, will be grafted in. For God is able to graft them in again." (Romans 11:23)

This is what all dispense with the blood of Christ sensationalists (Dispensationalists) fail to accept and believe.

The genetic seed only matters in Christ, and in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Galatians 3:28). "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision has any strength, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation." (Galatians 6:15).

Please stop accusing God of not having kept His covenant promises with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

 

[Truth7t7]

What dispense with the blood of Christ sensationalists (Dispensationalists) fail to accept and believe is that God has already fulfilled His covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the day Jesus shed His blood:

"Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will cut a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah."

"For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Jeremiah 31:31; Matthew 26:28).

"And so all Israel shall be saved; as it is written, "There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob." (Romans 11:26).

There is only ONE deliverer, and He is Christ. "For all the promises of God in Him are yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God by us." "And to Abraham and to his Seed the promises were spoken. It does not say, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, "And to your Seed," which is Christ." (2 Corinthians 1:20; Galatians 3:16)

"Is the Law then against the promises of God? Let it not be said! For if a law had been given which could have given life, indeed righteousness would have been out of Law." (Galatians 3:21).

God has ALREADY fulfilled His promises to the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and has ALREADY given them a new covenant, but it is THEY who refuse it, and there is only ONE qualifying factor for the genetic seed to be re included:

"And those also, IF THEY DO NOT CONTINUE IN UNBELIEF, will be grafted in. For God is able to graft them in again." (Romans 11:23)

This is what all dispense with the blood of Christ sensationalists (Dispensationalists) fail to accept and believe.

The genetic seed only matters in Christ, and in Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Galatians 3:28). "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision has any strength, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation." (Galatians 6:15).

Amen!

 

[Zao is life]

Amen!

When anyone says, "even though Israel rejected Christ at His first coming, God will fulfil His covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the nation of Israel will be redeemed and restored as greater Israel on earth."

then they are falsely accusing God of not having fulfilled His covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when Christ shed His blood.

They don't realize how shameful and unbelieving their theology is.

 

[Truth7t7]

When anyone says, "even though Israel rejected Christ at His first coming, God will fulfil His covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the nation of Israel will be redeemed and restored as greater Israel on earth."

then they are falsely accusing God of not having fulfilled His covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when Christ shed His blood.

They don't realize how shameful and unbelieving their theology is.

We Agree!

(Dual Covenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) Jew/Church is found no place in scripture

There is one covenant between God and man, the shed blood upon Calvary period

If your 50% Jewish, do you obtain 50% of Gods blessing and covenant, smiles

All covenants and promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the promised "Seed" not ethnic Jew's "Seeds"

Galatians 3:16KJV16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

[Zao is life]

We Agree!

(Dual Covenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) Jew/Church is found no place in scripture

There is one covenant between God and man, the shed blood upon Calvary period

If your 50% Jewish, do you obtain 50% of Gods blessing and covenant, smiles

All covenants and promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the promised "Seed" not ethnic Jew's "Seeds"

Galatians 3:16KJV16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Yep. WE AGREE!!! Bring out the sparkling grape juice!! I don't drink alcohol (champagne).

 

[Enoch111]

The word dispensation is different than dispensationalism

That should be obvious. Which means that you need to seriously study why the words are connected. Not depend on Anti-Dispensational propaganda.

 

[Enoch111]

God has already fulfilled His covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob the day Jesus shed His blood...

That was definitely NOT a part of the Abrahamic Covenant. You should take some time to seriously study the entire Abrahamic Covenant, since a significant aspect of it has not been fulfilled. It can only be fulfilled after the Second Coming of Christ.