divorce and remarriage?

[Lambano]

Did your pastor give scripture for this? This has been a question in my mind for a long time.

Our pastor did not elaborate on his thinking. In retrospect, I wish I had discussed it with him in detail. What I gave is my personal interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:15:

15 Yet if the unbelieving one is leaving, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us in peace.

A man who beats on his wife has to all extents and purposes abandoned the principles of marriage listed in Ephesians 5:25-31: That a man should love his wife and be willing to give up his life for her as Christ did the for His church.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, ...28 So husbands also ought to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, ... 31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.

My reasoning may appear spurious to some, but I stand behind it. We will all stand before Christ and account for the moral choices we made in this life. If Jesus ain't buyin' it, then that's one more sin for which I need forgiveness.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Our pastor did not elaborate on his thinking. In retrospect, I wish I had discussed it with him in detail. What I gave is my personal interpretation of 1 Corinthians 7:15:

15 Yet if the unbelieving one is leaving, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us in peace.

A man who beats on his wife has to all extents and purposes abandoned the principles of marriage listed in Ephesians 5:25-31: That a man should love his wife and be willing to give up his life for her as Christ did the for His church.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her, ...28 So husbands also ought to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself; 29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, ... 31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.

My reasoning may appear spurious to some, but I stand behind it. We will all stand before Christ and account for the moral choices we made in this life. If Jesus ain't buyin' it, then that's one more sin for which I need forgiveness.

I can see the reasoning.

So if a man habitually abandons his wife to other men, for example.... or if a man subjects his wife to be used s*xually by other men.... or he has hurt her (abuse/domestic violence) ....would you say this fits in that category?

 

[Mayflower]

Sorry sister but, the sin of adultery and the sin of homosexuality are no different, same as sex outside of marriage, it's all fornication. It's just that so many want to change the clear cut verses to fit their own desires...or excuse their own choices, right or wrong. Hetrosexual's do it just as much as homosexuals do...if not even more, yet theirs is more acceptable because it's at least the right sex! Pfft. It's all sin. And if we are going to the abomination thingy, there are way more instances of this word in Proverbs, concerning the heart and the mind.
All were made in Gods image and need forgiveness for sin.
Hope that was not harsh sister but, it just irks me because SO many have been indoctrinated to develop the "ick" factor with that ONE sin. Like, it is always singled out of all the MANY, MANY other sins. JMHO.
xo

Just the left behind part for it is what I don't know about. I always thought with the rapture all Christians are taken. Now I am not sure, but interesting thought. Like I said sadly my husband's ex cheated on him. So he was free to remarry

 

[Lambano]

I can see the reasoning.

So if a man habitually abandons his wife to other men, for example.... or if a man subjects his wife to be used s*xually by other men.... or he has hurt her (abuse/domestic violence) ....would you say this fits in that category?

Yes, in my judgment, these cases count as abandonment. In cases 1 and 2 (especially case 2), the man is effectively saying he no longer considers the woman obligated to be sexually faithful to him. In the first and third cases, the man is saying he no longer considers himself obligated to love and protect the woman. Similarly, in the Adultery case, the man is saying he no longer considers himself obligated to be sexually faithful to his wife. He has effectively abandoned the marriage.

 

[TLHKAJ]

He has effectively abandoned the marriage.

He has chosen not to dwell with his wife. He hasn't left father and mother and clinged to his wife. Correct?

 

[Lambano]

He has chosen not to dwell with his wife. He hasn't left father and mother and clinged to his wife. Correct?

Correct. Nor has he nourished and cherished her. Or treated her as part of himself.

 

[Grailhunter]

@lilygrace @Mayflower

Matthew 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

His words does confirm this sin as ongoing in aligning with those verses. Romans 7:3 & 1 Corinthians 7:11

Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

Here, when someone does marry another after a divorce, if the original spouse dies, the surviving spouse is not in sin any more.

At least, that is how I read that verse to mean. Any contentions or reproofs on that conclusion?

1 Corinthians 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.

Here is stressed for believers that do depart or get separated, not to get a divorce at all or else reconcile.

My question now is.. what happens to that saved believer that has gotten a divorce but not because of adultery, but marries another anyway, and so living in sin as an adulterer for when the Bridegroom comes? Do they get left behind?

P.S. I believe those left behind are still saved but just missed out on the firstfruits of the resurrection. But I do wonder how that applies to this issue, because it looks like they will be, but how can they repent?

Just confess their sins and ask Him for help not to do that again?

This topic has come up several times.
The discussions in the Gospel....Christ "a Jew" is talking to Jews about the the Jewish Mosaic Law and Christ makes a correction.....and sets the Mosaic Law on it ear.....Moses permitted you! Words that reverberated back to Exodus.
This conversation is difficult to get a meaning out of, because it raises so many questions.
Moses permitted you! Did Moses come up with the Law that bears his name...Mosaic Law?
So this conversation is a Jew talking to Jews and the question is: does it have any relevance to Christianity?
We do not know how many wives these Jews had so then...not allowed to marry after divorcing one of them has a different meaning than if you had just one wife.

Even his apostles found this odd.

Now Paul deals with the female equation in that, if she leaves her husband and sleeps with someone else but falls short of using the word adulterer in regard to the husband.

There is a reason for this....Jews and Jewish converts to Christianity practiced polygamy for a thousand years after the biblical era and Christians practice polygamy for awhile after the biblical era. So if a woman left her husband, he was free to take a wife while he was married and after she left...the same.

Polygamy is a hard thing for Christians to accept.....for some they would like to believe things changed like a flipped of a switch, it did not. We do not know when Christians stopped polygamy and concubinage. Some mention of concubinage in the Middle ages, even among the clergy, and the Jews continued to practice polygamy for another 1000 years after the biblical era. But what we do know is that the Christians did not require Jews to divorce their wives to convert to Christianity so Paul had to stipulate that to be a church leader you had to be a husband of only one wife. 1st Timothy 3:2

Besides that, what does all this mean? Well wives were still property in this era....women still washing the feet of the saints. Paul says some kind things but no one is concerned about how a man treated his wife because she belonged to him. Christ was suppose to return soon and Paul was not even that hot on marriage.

Well Christ did not come back soon and Christianity continued on....continued on, after the close of the bibleical era, which leaves the Bible only Christians....kind of in no man's land. As time went on Christians learned things....I believe, from the Holy Spirit....like what Christ said would happen. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:26
What Does the Bible Say About Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit taught us that wedding ceremonies were good and should be required. The Protestants were the first to require this, nearly 1500 years after the biblical era.
The Holy Spirit taught us that slavery was bad.

Then the Holy Spirit taught us that women should have the right to chose who they marry.
Then the Holy Spirit taught us that women should be treated fairly.

Now as far as I am concerned a husband that mistreat his wife has nullified the vows of the marriage and she is free to go her way with no commitments or restrictions. Or they can try to work it out...

Marriage is for people that are in love. Do not have sex with anyone unless you are in love, do not marry someone unless you are in love.

If you cannot get along....separate and see if you can work it out. If not get a divorce. And some people love each other but cannot live together.....you do not want it to get so bad that you shoot each other. LOL Not good for the kids....My step dad shot my mom point blank in the chest with a .38 Special....and later she shot him with a .25 Colt which is not much more than a BB gun.

But you do not want it to come to that. Your kids should not have to watch their mom beat every weekend. And a son should not be put in a position that he has to beat the dad so bad that he is an invalid for the rest of his life to keep him from beating his mom....yep that was me.

 

[Grailhunter]

1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed (divorced) from a wife? seek not a wife.
1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

But he did not say that a man seeking a wife or a man remarrying was a sin....
Why would he say....if you marry it is not a sin. What is going on?
Why wouldn't he say that if a man remarries it is a sin? He does not call it a sin...he is suggesting things....celibacy. But it is not a sin to marry.....LOL Better to marry than to burn...
Paul was not hot on promoting marriage. Christ was suppose to return soon. Why would you want a wife and children to watch being murdered in the tribulations.

 

[Christ4Me]

Sorry sister but, the sin of adultery and the sin of homosexuality are no different, same as sex outside of marriage, it's all fornication. It's just that so many want to change the clear cut verses to fit their own desires...or excuse their own choices, right or wrong. Hetrosexual's do it just as much as homosexuals do...if not even more, yet theirs is more acceptable because it's at least the right sex! Pfft. It's all sin. And if we are going to the abomination thingy, there are way more instances of this word in Proverbs, concerning the heart and the mind.
All were made in Gods image and need forgiveness for sin.
Hope that was not harsh sister but, it just irks me because SO many have been indoctrinated to develop the "ick" factor with that ONE sin. Like, it is always singled out of all the MANY, MANY other sins. JMHO.
xo

@Mayflower @Hidden In Him @Grailhunter @lilygrace

Thanks for sharing, Nancy.

I do wonder if some of that indoctrination is from how society try to make homosexuality acceptable through the media whereas someone being unfaithful to the spouse is still frowned upon.

Yet in church and among Christians, the issue of divorce & marrying a divorced person and the unvoiced consequence from Jesus's words thereof is avoided.

My former church considered it a can of worms as I reckon some would fall under that category.

One of the senior pastors that had gone through my former church, had preached that it was not an unforgiveable sin to get a divorce to rationalize it to the congregation when certain popular members were presently involved in going through the process. I was upset that the preacher was giving grace for Christians to commit sin. I almost wanted to yell from the balcony "Is it an unforgiveable sin to commit murder?!" just to make a point that we are not to use God's grace to commit sin, but I knew that the sermon was directed to me & the silence from the congregation, even from the elders, just convinced me that there was no point when no one hears His words, they will not hear mine.

It was one thing if a couple had divorced and remarried already, but preaching using God's grace to go ahead and commit sin? This same pastor insisted that the young couple go through series of counseling before he agreed to marry them but not before getting a divorce? Made me wonder why he even bothered with insisting on the counseling before marriage.

 

[JohnPaul]

Just the left behind part for it is what I don't know about. I always thought with the rapture all Christians are taken. Now I am not sure, but interesting thought. Like I said sadly my husband's ex cheated on him. So he was free to remarry

As is my case, I kept my vows and didn't ask for divorce, but my ex divorced me and didn't keep her vows till death do us part and in sickness and in health.

I am now engaged to be remarried.

 

[Christ4Me]

For this alone? No. These were commands of the Lord, and breaking them is indeed displeasing to God, but remarrying doesn't cancel out His grace entirely. The bigger question is this: Is she living her life in service to the Lord Jesus Christ? This is what will make or break her.

@Nancy @Mayflower @Grailhunter @lilygrace

I know that there are other unrepentant sins for why believers can be left behind for because of Galatians 5:19-21 & John 15:1-8 & Luke 12:40-49 & even Revelation 2:18-25 of a church for an example, but even though when they die, their spirits will be with the Lord per 1 Corinthians 3:10-17

Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

So if the people that do live in sin for marrying a divorced spouse that Jesus would not agree to, and therefore get left behind, when they die, they are no longer under the law and their spirits will be with the Lord. So I know there is no loss of salvation, but a loss of the first inheritance in being partakers of the firstfruits of the resurrection at the rapture event.

Now you are deep into eschatology, but after the rapture the world will be handed over the Antichrist and be subjected to the wrath of God. Being left behind in such a context would be a very bad deal, IMO.

A church is to excommunicate an unrepentant brother for that purpose in 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 and so I can see God doing the same thing when reading Revelation 2:18-25

Also, it is unlikely IMO that anyone alive right now will live to see the rapture, at least for the next 20-30 years for certain. But many wish to disagree with me on that.

Probably why Jesus warned His disciples to be ready always or else. Indeed, abiding in Him & His words as His disciples to bear fruit & so that our joy may be full in the Lord is also being ready for an unexpectant death that can strike a believer at any moment. As it is, the rapture or His appearing as the Bridegroom will be like a thief in the night so we are to be ready now with His help as our Good Shepherd & Friend as we trust Him to not only have us ready, but be willing to go.

 

[Lambano]

If you cannot get along....separate and see if you can work it out. If not get a divorce. And some people love each other but cannot live together.....you do not want it to get so bad that you shoot each other. LOL Not good for the kids....My step dad shot my mom point blank in the chest with a .38 Special....and later she shot him with a .25 Colt which is not much more than a BB gun.

But you do not want it to come to that. Your kids should not have to watch their mom beat every weekend. And a son should not be put in a position that he has to beat the dad so bad that he is an invalid for the rest of his life to keep him from beating his mom....yep that was me.

Oh my.

That does remind me of a quote from Ruth Graham, the wife of the renowned evangelist Billy Graham. "I don't believe in divorce - but I do believe in murder."

 

[Christ4Me]

1Co 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed (divorced) from a wife? seek not a wife.
1Co 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

@Mayflower @Hidden In Him @Nancy @lilygrace @Grailhunter

I thank you for sharing but there is pause for applying that to marrying a divorced person since it clearly goes against Jesus's words and even this same Paul in his words here;

Romans 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

So discernment is needed here for rightly dividing the word of truth since scripture cannot go against scripture.

1 Corinthians 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. 26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. 27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

I believe verse 28 was addressing the virgin men that if they marry, they have not sinned, and if a virgin marry, she has not sinned. One should point out why the "she" as the virgin was mentioned in context of this message about Paul advising the men in to be in verse 26.

Verse 28 cannot be about verse 27 as if saying the opposite if anyone did not do verse 27, but addressing virgin men if they marry, they have not sinned and virgin women if they marry, they have not sinned.

Course only the Lord can cause the increase, but I believe that is rightly dividing the word of truth there, thanks to Him.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Christ "a Jew" is talking to Jews about the the Jewish Mosaic Law and Christ makes a correction.....and sets the Mosaic Law on it ear.....Moses permitted you!

'On it's ear'? Very much exaggerated. Rabbi's had editorial privilege in matters of the law. Nothing new. Moses exercised his. Jesus exercised his.

it raises so many questions.
Moses permitted you! Did Moses come up with the Law that bears his name...Mosaic Law?

No, of course not. We know that right from the law itself.
And the law itself gave Moses the authority to make such judgments.

 

[Raccoon1010]

would it be a sin for a single never married to marry a divorced person? many people believe the spouse is still married to the first spouse.

It depends if they are divorced because of adultery or fornication then it's as if they were never married.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Besides that, what does all this mean? Well wives were still property in this era...

If I hear one more person say this, I'm going to...! Lol.

If you would just look at it from the point of view that a woman has VALUE in a home you'd understand the compensation that was paid for taking a woman from her father's household to be your wife.

And, seriously, what man or woman who actually cares about their marriage doesn't say their spouse 'belongs to them'? Marriage is a commitment of service and submission and intimacy that BELONGS solely to their spouse. The man belongs to the woman just as much as the woman belongs to the man.

It's funny, but I worked with a man who was going into his 5th or 6th marriage who talked down to women being 'property'. But then proceeded to marry a foreigner he purposely sought out and brought to the United States, thinking she'd be more submissive, and then coldly treated her like a piece of property. I guess he was sure he wasn't treating her as property in the sense that he understood that, along with how many other men understand it, not knowing how he was treating her was actually making her a piece of property in every negative connotation of the word.

 

[Christ4Me]

@Hidden In Him @Nancy @Mayflower @lilygrace

This topic has come up several times.
The discussions in the Gospel....Christ "a Jew" is talking to Jews about the the Jewish Mosaic Law and Christ makes a correction.....and sets the Mosaic Law on it ear.....Moses permitted you! Words that reverberated back to Exodus.
This conversation is difficult to get a meaning out of, because it raises so many questions.
Moses permitted you! Did Moses come up with the Law that bears his name...Mosaic Law?
So this conversation is a Jew talking to Jews and the question is: does it have any relevance to Christianity?
We do not know how many wives these Jews had so then...not allowed to marry after divorcing one of them has a different meaning than if you had just one wife.

Even his apostles found this odd.

Now Paul deals with the female equation in that, if she leaves her husband and sleeps with someone else but falls short of using the word adulterer in regard to the husband.

There is a reason for this....Jews and Jewish converts to Christianity practiced polygamy for a thousand years after the biblical era and Christians practice polygamy for awhile after the biblical era. So if a woman left her husband, he was free to take a wife while he was married and after she left...the same.

Polygamy is a hard thing for Christians to accept.....for some they would like to believe things changed like a flipped of a switch, it did not. We do not know when Christians stopped polygamy and concubinage. Some mention of concubinage in the Middle ages, even among the clergy, and the Jews continued to practice polygamy for another 1000 years after the biblical era. But what we do know is that the Christians did not require Jews to divorce their wives to convert to Christianity so Paul had to stipulate that to be a church leader you had to be a husband of only one wife. 1st Timothy 3:2

1 Timothy 3:2 should say something against polygamy being practiced still. One could say that what Peter was talking about in wresting Paul's words to their own destruction in ( 2 Peter 3:15-17 ) Peter may be referring to that verse 28 of 1 Corinthians 7:27-28 where sin was no longer sin to believers for why the apostle John had to write the Book of 1 John.

So polygamy may have been practiced in Christianity by those drawn away by the error of the wicked.

 

[Christ4Me]

@Hidden In Him @Nancy @Mayflower @lilygrace

Besides that, what does all this mean? Well wives were still property in this era....women still washing the feet of the saints. Paul says some kind things but no one is concerned about how a man treated his wife because she belonged to him. Christ was suppose to return soon and Paul was not even that hot on marriage.

Well Christ did not come back soon and Christianity continued on....continued on, after the close of the biblical era, which leaves the Bible only Christians....kind of in no man's land. As time went on Christians learned things....I believe, from the Holy Spirit....like what Christ said would happen. "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:26
What Does the Bible Say About Holy Spirit?

The Holy Spirit taught us that wedding ceremonies were good and should be required. The Protestants were the first to require this, nearly 1500 years after the biblical era.
The Holy Spirit taught us that slavery was bad.

Then the Holy Spirit taught us that women should have the right to chose who they marry.
Then the Holy Spirit taught us that women should be treated fairly.

Now as far as I am concerned a husband that mistreat his wife has nullified the vows of the marriage and she is free to go her way with no commitments or restrictions. Or they can try to work it out...

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. 15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. 16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? 17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

This being addressed regarding a situation involving an unbeliever, but I point out that if an unbeliever is abusing the spouse, then that is the same as not consenting to live with her, but Paul made it clear that he was speaking here and not the Lord in verses 12-13.

What Paul says in verses 14-17 seems to limit the believer from leaving the unbeliever as far as verse 15 goes, but if the unbeliever leaves, the believer is not bonded to that marriage.

But it does go to verse 13 about the question if a believer abusing a believing spouse as surely neither one is leased to dwell with each other in that situation. Is it applicable? Or is only separation is permitted if not permanently separated?

Does abuse happen in Christian marriage? Paul seemed to stress this as a requirement for the office of a bishop.

1 Timothy 3:1This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

Since alcohol does make men mean and abusive and even though not drunk, a man that has zero patience can be a brawler, these would indicate that Paul acknowledge that as among them for why this list of requirement was needed for the office of bishop, but that does not negate the church from tending to that fault in a believer;

Galatians 6:1Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. 3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. 4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. 5 For every man shall bear his own burden. 6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. 10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Of course if unrepentant, the abusive spouse is at risk of excommunication & separation from the spouse.

 

[Christ4Me]

@Hidden In Him @Nancy @Mayflower @lilygrace

Marriage is for people that are in love. Do not have sex with anyone unless you are in love, do not marry someone unless you are in love.

1 Corinthians 7:1-2 pretty much rules out fornication whereas 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 says to marry to avoid burning and hence fornication.

Lust is not love and love is not lust. Paul exhorts believers in this wise forewarning them too.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

I have heard fornicators say when one proposes marriage to the other after the first time, the other says it doesn't mean anything when referring to what they had done in fornication. Media tells the truth that it is just chemicals and hormones and has nothing to do with love. Indeed, I wondered a person speaking " I love you" is really meaning to say "I love your body" or "I love sex". Thus not having any real love for that person.

Indeed, for a Christian being concerned about the other Christian abiding state in the Lord & not just their own, they would love that believer by leaning on the Lord for His help so as to not want to have sex with the person they love.

But if they cannot contain, get married, even elope to avoid fornication & then have the public marriage later on if need be for the familes that want to join in the celebation of their marriage together.

If you cannot get along....separate and see if you can work it out. If not get a divorce. And some people love each other but cannot live together.....you do not want it to get so bad that you shoot each other. LOL Not good for the kids....My step dad shot my mom point blank in the chest with a .38 Special....and later she shot him with a .25 Colt which is not much more than a BB gun.

But you do not want it to come to that. Your kids should not have to watch their mom beat every weekend. And a son should not be put in a position that he has to beat the dad so bad that he is an invalid for the rest of his life to keep him from beating his mom....yep that was me.

Sorry that had happened to you & to your mother.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Well Christ did not come back soon and Christianity continued on....continued on, after the close of the bibleical era, which leaves the Bible only Christians....kind of in no man's land.

Don't you know that the writings of the Bible existed and were circulated among the churches before they were officially codified in one book? That was not a time when there were no Christian scriptures. The Bible didn't all of a sudden pop out of nowhere.