Do Demon's Dwell Within Christians?
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If a believer continues to watch porn [although he has the Holy Spirit in him] he will end up leaving a doorway open for demonic bondage. It is about authority and Satan is a legalist. :huh: he has a legal right to enter a believer's soul if they are being disobedient to God.
Quit taking my reply and bending it to satisfy your critiqueAxehead said:
It was Angelina that fostered the notion that people are embarrassed.
There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ. But we don't consider a license to sin. Show me in the new testiment where Satan has a right to Christians if they sin.Angelina said:
Your right your argument is a legalistic one.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Can't ever remember saying that Rex? :huh:
Ephesians 4
The New Man
17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
Do Not Grieve the Spirit
25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”:do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
Are these people above saved? If so, why is Paul instructing them not to grieve the Holy Spirit? If your conclusion is correct, that the above were never saved to begin with, why then is Paul telling them not to grieve the Holy Spirit? :huh:
here is Angelina's implication that people will hide "embarrassed" not admitting not coming to grips with the reality in their own lives.
Angelina said:
I'm afraid it is you who has been caught up in legalism fostered through "popular Christian Theology" which has hardened your understanding of the truth... :huh:
Can't see the word embarrassment there...I was pointing more to the fact that these believer's will not seek help for fear of other believer's judging them as "unsaved" and they are not...
Can't see the word embarrassment there...I was pointing more to the fact that these believer's will not seek help for fear of other believer's judging them as "unsaved" and they are not...
Lets stay on topic greaving the spirit is not demon possession.Angelina said:
20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.
Do Not Grieve the Spirit
Look back on the last two pages this is exactly what I have been teaching.
the problem is people don't want to put off the old man.
It in this case is not possession ether but disobediance to the new life. if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him
But isn't the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer an indication of one who is saved? :huh: isn't that what we have been talking about? It is clear the the Holy Spirit can still be present in someone's life even though they may need deliverance or counsel or anything else...
So lets play the game of I never said, then just what was your implication. hiding something doesn't mean your proud of it does it.Angelina said:
No hiding implies your not very proud. And what would they be hiding? the fact their struggling with demons? that is your implication.
What your really avoiding is my asking for proof of satans legal right to Christians as you presented it. So don't try to pull an AH
and make it out that I implied legalisum
And speaking of the truth where is the truth found in scripture that demons possess christians?
So now we have went from demon possession to deliverance or counsel, are you watering down the topicAngelina said:
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My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
A very good comment dragonfly and I would like to add to it if I may. Salvation happens at all different ages. Sometimes as a child, sometimes as an adult. Prior to that, we have all been born in sin and we bring with us the baggage that goes with that.
If God was to clear us out all in one hit, I don’t think we would be able to handle it, especially as a child convert. That is where sanctification comes in. A process that changes us on a regular basis. I believe that the work of sanctification is to prepare us for a holy life and at appropriate times, God puts his finger on things to clear out a bit more rubbish.
Whilst we carry around the baggage, God is not constantly punishing us until we measure up to his standards. Unfortunately, many Christians do believe he is. In God’s sight we are perfect from day one because he sees us through the sacrifice of Calvary, (or as scripture puts it we are accepted in his beloved), which was a one-time punishment for all sin and the fact that he accepted Jesus death on Calvary as sufficient for all sin for all time means that whilst we were yet sinners, Christ died for us and vicariously on the cross, Jesus makes us perfect.
The bottom line is that we have to have faith in the finished work of Christ and not beat ourselves up all the time trying to measure up to God’s standard. That to me is the biggest sin because if I do this, I am saying that Jesus sacrifice was not sufficient, I have to add a bit more to it.
I have spoken many times about the spirit of rejection in various churches so here is a short version for everyone.
Isaiah 53:3. Jesus was despised and rejected by men
Mark 8:31. The son of man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and scribes.
Luke 17:25. But he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
How did rejection start?
Genesis 3:23. The Lord God sent him out from the Garden of Eden…so he drove the man out.
How bad is rejection?
Proverbs 18:14. The spirit of man can endure his sickness but a broken (rejected) spirit who can bear? This is at the heart of suicide. Not every case of rejection results in suicide, but you will find rejection in every case of suicide.
As in my case, the spirit of rejection was there at conversion. I probably was born with it because my mother didn't want me. She offloaded me and let someone else have the problem of raising me. In God’s appointed time, he dealt with it and sent it packing. Could I have done something about it before this? No, as my time is in his hands and only He can bring deliverance so I am dependant on Him to do what he knows is best for me.
Of course the antidote to rejection is acceptance and that is clearly set out in Ephesians chapter 1.
Let's stick to the subject like you've already suggested or is it only you who can pull others up? again
But isn't the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer an indication of one who is saved? :huh: isn't that what we have been talking about? It is clear the the Holy Spirit can still be present in someone's life even though they may need deliverance or counsel or anything else..note the verse again...
Do Not Grieve the Spirit
25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”:do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
surely Paul was warning these believer's because they were capable of doing them...even though the Holy Spirit dwells within.
But isn't the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer an indication of one who is saved? :huh: isn't that what we have been talking about? It is clear the the Holy Spirit can still be present in someone's life even though they may need deliverance or counsel or anything else..note the verse again...
Do Not Grieve the Spirit
25 Therefore, putting away lying, “Let each one of you speak truth with his neighbor,” for we are members of one another. 26 “Be angry, and do not sin”:do not let the sun go down on your wrath, 27 nor give place to the devil. 28 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. 29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. 32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.
surely Paul was warning these believer's because they were capable of doing them...even though the Holy Spirit dwells within.
Angelina said:
Of course you can but where does it say the result is demons?
Your reading a lot into the verse I don't see
as well where is your reply to my question,
Where is the evidence in scripture to support the below statement.
Your the one who is not understanding scripture, you accused me of that, so now I accuse you with your words, Your digging a beeper hole first no evidence to support christian possession now the legal right satan has over christians
Angelina said:
Did I say there was?Axehead said:
Right here is what I said and you know what I was replying to, why are you packing this straw-man around?
Rex said:
If I bought you scripture it will still not convince you and I truly do not like wasting my time...I will pray then that the Lord places you in a situation where you will be able to see the truth of these things, in Jesus name! 
PS: Don't forget to put your armor on!
PS: Don't forget to put your armor on!
I'm sorry sweet heart I don't see itAngelina said:If I bought you scripture it will still not convince you and I truly do not like wasting my time...I will pray then that the Lord places you in a situation where you will be able to see the truth of these things, in Jesus name!
PS: Don't forget to put your armor on!
But maybe your just hiding. embarrassed
you can't produce evidence to support it.Angelina said:
Angelina's statement
I was trying to bow out of this conversation but you and AH wanted a conclusion aparently.
Let me leave you a reminder Angelina,
Maybe your refusing to proclaim the truth from the house tops
Or hiding the light under a basket.
Why you refuse to answer is not scriptural as well, If it be the truth.
If your done I'll be taking my leave from this topic
Whatever makes you happy honey...praying that God reveals these things to you, in a mighty and powerful way...
Shalom!!!
Shalom!!!
As well I hope someday you realize that Jesus interceds for our sins, and that satan has no right to anything in us even If we do sin.
If thats not the truth then were all domed to hell.
If thats not the truth then were all domed to hell.
Unfortunately, on some doctrines people are not open to the truth and nothing that is brought to them will convince them otherwise. We must concentrate on those with ears to hear.
Like you say experiance is more important than scripture. I believe you have found some like minded people on this subjec,. demons in christiansJustin Mangonel said:
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17036-is-the-emphasis-on-teaching-the-word-damming-our-souls/#entry173397
But these same people may not agree with your brand of Jesus.
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17036-is-the-emphasis-on-teaching-the-word-damming-our-souls/#entry174444
http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17036-is-the-emphasis-on-teaching-the-word-damming-our-souls/page-2#entry174458
Rex,Rex said:
I'm sorry, I did not catch that. Sin is embarrassing that is for sure and everything that comes with sin.
Let me ask you a question: When Satan tempted Jesus Christ in the wilderness, what "Right" would Satan have had if Jesus Christ obeyed him (sinned)?
What rights did Satan receive when Adam (who was pure and innocent) sinned?
The Key in vs 8 above is "in Christ Jesus". People have taken the posture that once someone has "prayed a prayer" they are positionally in Christ and nothing can ever change that and that they are somehow protected from the "doors" that sin opens in their lives to the enemy.
To be "in Christ" is not a theological term, it is vital, current, up to date abiding in Him.
At all times we are abiding in someone. We are spiritual beings and we were created as derivative creatures, meaning that we were created to look to something or someone outside of us to derive our spiritual life from. So if we are not abiding in Christ, who are we abiding in? If we are not currently, up to date, in the now, IN CHRIST, where are we and who is our source?
If we are not turning to the Lord, then who are we turning to? We either welcome Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit into our lives or we welcome the unholy spirit, counterfeit Jesus into our lives.
Paul is talking to the Church in the verse below and he did not fail to mention to them that they could receive another spirit.
2Co_11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Axehead
Experience must be backed up by scripture, though. And there is much of that. However, men have been taught "traditions" of theology, handed down to them from previous generations that actually blind them to portions of God's Word. They are not open to new light (not new truth) because their theological traditions don't allow it.Rex said:
Many have been taught that once a person confesses Jesus Christ and believes in his heart that he is completely delivered from all inhabitants in the land and the temple is completely clean.
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