Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[marks]

how do you see it?

It's that I don't see a connection between Jesus being in the bosom of the Father, and the husband/wife relationship being representative of the relation between the Father and the Son.

Adam being created as he was, was in the image of God, even before Eve was taken from his side.

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

It's that I don't see a connection between Jesus being in the bosom of the Father, and the husband/wife relationship being representative of the relation between the Father and the Son.

Much love!

The intimacy is expressed in the word 'bosom'. Unfortunately us dysfunctional creatures struggle to realise it in our experience if at all. We are so self centred, our own needs and wants consume us and if they don't materialise how and when we expect, the dummy is spat.

Contrast that to the reality of Jesus. The last thing he wanted was to go through torture and rejection......as evidenced in his prayer in Gethsemane.....yet there was a deeper force running inside him which we also see witnessed.

Jesus is the expression of the heart of God as we read in Hebrews 1:3 'The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being....'

I think the intimacy we see Jesus had with the Father is similar to what he had intended for his newly created humans.

 

[Waiting on him]

It's that I don't see a connection between Jesus being in the bosom of the Father, and the husband/wife relationship being representative of the relation between the Father and the Son.

Adam being created as he was, was in the image of God, even before Eve was taken from his side.

Much love!

Scripture says that Jesus was the image of the invisible God.
So which is it Jesus or Adam


Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

 

[Scott Downey]

The intimacy is expressed in the word 'bosom'. Unfortunately us dysfunctional creatures struggle to realise it in our experience if at all. We are so self centred, our own needs and wants consume us and if they don't materialise how and when we expect, the dummy is spat.

Contrast that to the reality of Jesus. The last thing he wanted was to go through torture and rejection......as evidenced in his prayer in Gethsemane.....yet there was a deeper force running inside him which we also see witnessed.

Jesus is the expression of the heart of God as we read in Hebrews 1:3 'The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being....'

I think the intimacy we see Jesus had with the Father is similar to what he had intended for his newly created humans.

 

[Scott Downey]

That intimacy is extended to us who believe as well and is called a great mystery, that God would become one with His people.
Christ gave Himself for His BRIDE, not for unbelievers did He die, He dies so that those who believe would have this relationship with Him and God as John 3 says about being born of God.

Ephesians 5
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church.

30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.

31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

 

[Taken]

Do Men Have Authority Over Women?
OP ^

Depends on the household.

 

[marks]

Scripture says that Jesus was the image of the invisible God.
So which is it Jesus or Adam


Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Interesting question! Jesus is the image of God, and Adam was created in the image of God.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I think the intimacy we see Jesus had with the Father is similar to what he had intended for his newly created humans.

With this, I agree completely! Although I think there are more clear passages that teach specifically that very thing.

This is one of the reasons I feel understanding Jesus' deity is so important. We share in Jesus' Sonship.

John 17:21-23 KJV
21) That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Much love!

 

[Misty Williams]

To put it simply, if you follow Scripture, yes.

Wives are to submit to husbands.
Women are not to have authority over men in the church.
Women are to remain quiet in the church (yes that means women pastors is wholly against Scripture).

Hi there
It's so funny you should bring this up, our church just recorded an answer to this very question a few weeks ago (here if you're interested).
Here's the thing, a lot of people don't grasp the idea that yes, women are supposed to submit to their husbands; HOWEVER, there husbands should be following the responsibilities given to him by God to the point that his wife WANTS to follow his lead. 99% of the reason women won't submit is because they don't trust their husband to lead in accordance with the will of God.

 

[reformed1689]

HOWEVER, there husbands should be following the responsibilities given to him by God to the point that his wife WANTS to follow his lead. 99% of the reason women won't submit is because they don't trust their husband to lead in accordance with the will of God.

100% agree with the part about husband responsibility. However, I would say it doesn't say women submit IF your husband is doing what he is supposed to do.

 

[JunChosen]

All the prophets are men?

What I'm saying is all prophets that have been called to that OFFICE [prophets] have been called by God, like Jeremiah, Isaiah. Moses... etc. were all males except for Deborah, just as in the New Testament all the apostles that Jesus chose were men. Eventually though, all believers are prophets as they too are "sent" to preach the Gospel to all nations [Matthew 28:19-20].

I don't believe the other women you mentioned had the same credentials as Deborah, however they could be like Deborah but only in the sense that the people of Israel sought judgment [advice] from them [Judges 4:5]

To God Be The Glory

 

[marks]

What I'm saying is all prophets that have been called to that OFFICE [prophets] have been called by God, like Jeremiah, Isaiah. Moses... etc. were all males except for Deborah, just as in the New Testament all the apostles that Jesus chose were men. Eventually though, all believers are prophets as they too are "sent" to preach the Gospel to all nations [Matthew 28:19-20].

I don't believe the other women you mentioned had the same credentials as Deborah, however they could be like Deborah but only in the sense that the people of Israel sought judgment [advice] from them [Judges 4:5]

To God Be The Glory

These other women prophets, they were not called by God? I daresay they must have been, or they should not be prophets. I think maybe you are meaning that the Bible writers were men, is that it?

And, I'm not thinking that Deborah the Judge of Israel merely dispensed her "advice" by way of "take it or leave it" suggestions, she judged Israel as did the others.

It sounds as you are downplaying Deborah's role as a judge solely because she is she, to make your point that female prophets are not as the men prophets, and I don't see that in the Bible, prophets are prophets.

This looks to me like circular reasoning. Deborah was only an advisor, and we know because female prophets weren't like male prophets. And you can't use Deborah to show any different from that, because she was only an advisor of Israel. And you know she was only an advisor because female prophets are not like male prophets. And so it goes.

Much love!

 

[JunChosen]

I WOULD LIKE TO POST A QUESTION TO ALL?

WHO HAS THE MOST GREATER DIFFICULT ROLE IN THE MARRIAGE, THE HUSBAND WHOSE ROLE IS TO LOVE HIS WIFE OR THE ROLE OF THE WIFE WHO IS TO SUBMIT TO HER HUSBAND IN ALL THINGS?

To God Be The Glory

 

[Philip James]

100% agree with the part about husband responsibility. However, I would say it doesn't say women submit IF your husband is doing what he is supposed to do.

Hello reformed,

I would suggest, this has been mankinds biggest problem from the beginning.. Non Serviam! Is the enemy's cry..

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[JunChosen]

It sounds as you are downplaying Deborah's role as a judge solely because she is she, to make your point that female prophets are not as the men prophets, and I don't see that in the Bible, prophets are prophets.

I've never once intimated that Deborah was NOT a judge. Judges 4:4 proves that she ruled Israel.

I believe Deborah had a dual role also, as can be seen as verse 5 indicate that the children of Israel sought her judgment [advice].

Verse 6 gives the idea she was a prophetess.

To God Be The Glory

 

[theefaith]

I agree. Perhaps if everyone went back to wearing robes...?? lol

But dresses and skirts of today are very often immodest. If the wind blows, it's a pain trying to hold it down. Then, try doing that while you have a baby in one arm or a toddler on the hip....and hope to God your little one's foot didn't catch the end of your skirt or dress and pull it up and reveal all. (These are all things I have dealt with.)

And I've seen girls come out of the church bathroom with the edge of their dress caught in their undergarments and they weren't aware. And try being modest on a playground wearing a skirt (girls) ....running or on a swing ...immodest!!

I spent years wearing dresses and skirts, and it wasn't fun having to worry about modesty. I'd rather wear pants (not tight) ...and a shirt that comes down a good ways past the waist. It's more comfortable, more modest, and less worrisome.

skirts must go to the ankles not some skimpy mini dress

 

[marks]

I've never once intimated that Deborah was NOT a judge. Judges 4:4 proves that she ruled Israel.

I believe Deborah had a dual role also, as can be seen as verse 5 indicate that the children of Israel sought her judgment [advice].

Verse 6 gives the idea she was a prophetess.

To God Be The Glory

I didn't say you said she wasn't a judge, rather, that you downplayed her role as a judge and set up a circular reasoning loop to diminish her role's influence in the current discussion.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I WOULD LIKE TO POST A QUESTION TO ALL?

WHO HAS THE MOST GREATER DIFFICULT ROLE IN THE MARRIAGE, THE HUSBAND WHOSE ROLE IS TO LOVE HIS WIFE OR THE ROLE OF THE WIFE WHO IS TO SUBMIT TO HER HUSBAND IN ALL THINGS?

To God Be The Glory

Each role is impossible to fully fulfill without the Holy Spirit, and otherwise, the answer will be different in every case as we each have our various temperments and styles and histories and such.

Let me ask you this . . . is "love" a feeling or an action, as "submit" is an action?

Much love!

 

[JunChosen]

Each role is impossible to fully fulfill without the Holy Spirit, and otherwise, the answer will be different in every case as we each have our various temperments and styles and histories and such.

No, the answer should NOT be different in every case as such, as we each have various temperaments and styles as you've said. This love is seen in Romans 8:28 which reads:
"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are the called according to his purpose."

In other words, these are they who are called, chosen, elected, and predestined to salvation.

Let me ask you this . . . is "love" a feeling or an action, as "submit" is an action?

I agree that love and submission are an act men and women performs, but I believe men has a greater role in that, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

Will you lay down your life for your best friend and wife?

To God Be The Glory

 

[marks]

I agree that love and submission are an act men and women performs, but I believe men has a greater role in that, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

I think when it says "man" here the meaning is "human", not just men.

Much love!