Do Men Have Authority Over Women?

[marks]

No, the answer should NOT be different in every case as such, as we each have various temperaments and styles as you've said.

Without the Holy Spirit to work in us, I don't think any of us would fully fulfill their role. I think it's like asking, Who will be more able to jump to the moon. You may jump 14 feet in the air, I may make it 3 feet, but neither of us is going be anywhere near the 250,000 miles to actually make it there. That's how I see this anyway, someone trying to love like Christ, or to submit to a husband.

Both require denial of our natural feelings and choices, and implementing God's command.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

You didn't answer my questions.

Did you answer the question of the OP?

 

[Wrangler]

99% of the reason women won't submit is because they don't trust their husband to lead in accordance with the will of God.

Yea right! Can a man blame a women for him not living up to his responsibilities?

What many hate about God's word is that it a covenant and not a contract and your post is typical; trying to make it conditional IF a man does X, then and ONLY THEN will a woman do Y.

I love how Eph 5:22 and 5:23 differ. All Christians should submit to one another out of love, e.g., want to go to lunch? Submit, Person B. Where? Submit Person A. 5:23 is about authority. Submitting due to authority is different than out of love and this kind of submission applies to the wife AND NOT the husband.

I submit to my wife all the time. It is exceedingly difficult for her to submit to me no matter what the context. Like GE 3:16, her natural inclination is to be contrary to me. Only Christ can change the heart.

 

[Wrangler]

What many hate about God's word is that it a covenant and not a contract and your post is typical; trying to make it conditional IF a man does X, then and ONLY THEN will a woman do Y.

Case in point.

Do Men Have Authority Over Women?
OP ^

Depends on the household.

 

[Wrangler]

I WOULD LIKE TO POST A QUESTION TO ALL?

WHO HAS THE MOST GREATER DIFFICULT ROLE IN THE MARRIAGE, THE HUSBAND WHOSE ROLE IS TO LOVE HIS WIFE OR THE ROLE OF THE WIFE WHO IS TO SUBMIT TO HER HUSBAND IN ALL THINGS?

To God Be The Glory

Great question!

I think each has the burden of what is most difficult for each sex. It's like asking what is more difficult, us to breath in water or a fish to breath out of it.

 

[Wrangler]

I've never once intimated that Deborah was NOT a judge. Judges 4:4 proves that she ruled Israel.

I believe Deborah had a dual role also

This reminds me of the book by Margaret Thatcher. The Iron Lady played a traditional, submissive role in her marriage but remains one of my favorite political leaders of all time.

She is one of the only non-Americans, I wish I could have voted for.

 

[quietthinker]

Do Men Have Authority Over Women?
Are women over the authority of men?

 

[Rita]

This reminds me of the book by Margaret Thatcher. The Iron Lady played a traditional, submissive role in her marriage but remains one of my favorite political leaders of all time.

She is one of the only non-Americans, I wish I could have voted for.

She certainly was a formidable leader, she stood her ground. It was sad to see her demise but she sadly didn’t make all the right decisions in the end. She privatised so many things and was ousted out after the Poll tax fiasco …….

 

[Wrangler]

She certainly was a formidable leader, she stood her ground. It was sad to see her demise but she sadly didn’t make all the right decisions in the end. She privatised so many things and was ousted out after the Poll tax fiasco …….

I'm in favor of a poll tax.

Her loyalty to President Ronald Reagan, even at his funeral was amazingly inspirational.

She showed how to be strong, yet respectful and feminine at the same time. The equality perverters aim is to undermine our God-given nature and His divine order. He made them male and female, not to equally compete, but to lovingly cooperate.

 

[Raccoon1010]

To put it simply, if you follow Scripture, yes.

Wives are to submit to husbands.
Women are not to have authority over men in the church.
Women are to remain quiet in the church (yes that means women pastors is wholly against Scripture).

Women are supposed to be stay at home mothers as God designed us to be different than women. Men are to till the fields and hunt for food and build the home, etc. It's not that men have authority over women, the bible doesn't come out and say that. But men can be alienated from child raising due to the different basic tasks that God created us for. So men get to make up for that deficit by being church leaders.

In other words, mothers were the leaders of the children more than the fathers due to absence of the father during daily tasks. So God made it that men could be leaders of the congregation.

 

[Rita]

I'm in favor of a poll tax.

Her loyalty to President Ronald Reagan, even at his funeral was amazingly inspirational.

She showed how to be strong, yet respectful and feminine at the same time. The equality perverters aim is to undermine our God-given nature and His divine order. He made them male and female, not to equally compete, but to lovingly cooperate.

Yes, I agree
The poll tax wasn’t a issue, it was more the way the government we’re going to evaluate it. We have a council tax now ( this replaced the poll tax ) That was definitely a case of people power as there were so many riots throughout the country that they had to change it all.
Sorry I am derailing this thread ………..

 

[farouk]

Deborah certainly didn't. Neither did Sarah, Abrahams wife.

.....@Mink57 .... and what about the Proverbs 31 woman? she considers a field and buys it; she is a trusted business woman also....

 

[farouk]

I suggest you check out Psalm 31:10-22. The 'woman of worth' isn't just a 'wife', 'mother' and a 'homeschool teacher.".

She's a business woman.

@Mink57 I think you may mean Proverbs 31...

 

[Mink57]

@Mink57 I think you may mean Proverbs 31...

I know. Someone else corrected me several pages back. Funny thing...I knew it was Proverbs when I wrote it!

 

[farouk]

Men didn't wear pants during biblical times.

@Mink57 Dress customs do develop. Various young men and boys in church might be wearing earrings; even if this might not have been the custom years ago. So many Christian women happen to have tattoos - often in family & faith designs, even if this may not have been the custom so much years ago.

 

[Wrangler]

I know. Someone else corrected me several pages back. Funny thing...I knew it was Proverbs when I wrote it!

I noticed my muscle memory does that sometimes. I’m thinking Word X and for some reason I say or type Word Y.

 

[Misty Williams]

Yea right! Can a man blame a women for him not living up to his responsibilities?

What many hate about God's word is that it a covenant and not a contract and your post is typical; trying to make it conditional IF a man does X, then and ONLY THEN will a woman do Y.

I love how Eph 5:22 and 5:23 differ. All Christians should submit to one another out of love, e.g., want to go to lunch? Submit, Person B. Where? Submit Person A. 5:23 is about authority. Submitting due to authority is different than out of love and this kind of submission applies to the wife AND NOT the husband.

I submit to my wife all the time. It is exceedingly difficult for her to submit to me no matter what the context. Like GE 3:16, her natural inclination is to be contrary to me. Only Christ can change the heart.

Sorry let me clarify. I'm not saying women submitting to their husband is conditional, it isn't, nor is it conditional for men to submit to God. However, from the standpoint of those women who do not submit, most of the time it is a trust issue. There are always those women who refuse for the sake of refusing. It is a choice, in the end. Either to live in accordance with the will of God, or not to. Of course, choosing not to brings about a whole pile of consequences.

 

[Mink57]

Hi there
It's so funny you should bring this up, our church just recorded an answer to this very question a few weeks ago (here if you're interested).
Here's the thing, a lot of people don't grasp the idea that yes, women are supposed to submit to their husbands; HOWEVER, there husbands should be following the responsibilities given to him by God to the point that his wife WANTS to follow his lead. 99% of the reason women won't submit is because they don't trust their husband to lead in accordance with the will of God.

Agreed.

Too many men have abused their authority by expecting their wives to do whatever they tell them to do...mostly for selfish reasons...misusing Ephesians 5:21 to support their cause.

One of the reasons why we're supposed to submit to one another is so there isn't domination over anyone.

100% agree with the part about husband responsibility. However, I would say it doesn't say women submit IF your husband is doing what he is supposed to do.

Neither does it say that women are to submit to their husband's if the husband isn't doing what he's supposed to do.

Christ gave himself up for the church. I don't know a whole lot of husbands who would give themselves up for their wives.

 

[farouk]

@Mink57 @Misty Williams Sometimes you heard the 'not ladylike' argument; as in, it's not ladylike to smoke. Whereas, while maybe it would be good not to smoke at all, the 'not ladylike' thing is hard to argue logically, right? Similarly with tattoos, I guess.

 

[Mink57]

Sorry let me clarify. I'm not saying women submitting to their husband is conditional, it isn't, nor is it conditional for men to submit to God. However, from the standpoint of those women who do not submit, most of the time it is a trust issue. There are always those women who refuse for the sake of refusing. It is a choice, in the end. Either to live in accordance with the will of God, or not to. Of course, choosing not to brings about a whole pile of consequences.

Actually, it is conditional that men (and women) submit to God. If we do what God wills, we (eventually) get the reward of heaven. If not, we don't.