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People often say we are just picking and choosing which words of God to believe and which words of God not to believe. I have seen this in myself, so of course I agree with it! I want us to post things in here that Jesus said that we have come to see at some point we weren’t believing and how He made us see we weren’t believing it. It doesn’t matter if you are still struggling to believe and be firm in it or if you are now firm in it, just that you have seen or did see your mistrust on it.
 
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I guess I can start. I have a half hour before I have to go open shop.

I have a shop and that’s how I make money. I’ll start by saying I’ve struggled with this for the entire 3 years I’ve been there. I knew I was worrying about sales being slow and if I would have to close the shop and about how I would make money then.

I saw that if I was worrying about it, I was not believing and trusting what Jesus said, that I was not to worry about these things that unbelievers worry about but to seek God first and all these things would be added to me. I was not believing He would take care of me. My worry so obviously showed me my unfaithfulness, lack of trust.

I started to practice learning the obedience of trust in maybe some weird ways, I don’t know. Like, I stopped putting a few pieces on the sidewalk to draw people because I was determined to trust HIM to send people to buy my stuff. I experimented with that and found that I could set things out and have no sales and could NOT set things out and have a good sales day. That proved to me that it was best to practice my trust, even if the way I did it maybe made God scratch His head, I don’t know.

Then my family began to say things like, oh, you need to get one of those sidewalk signs or you need to advertise or you need to set some of your pieces on the sidewalk to catch people’s eyes. And when I said no, they got distressed with me and said it would be my own fault if I lost the shop. I got every phrase imaginable to try to get me to conform to the way all businesses do things, including: yes, but God doesn’t just expect you to do NOTHING! Of course, I wasn’t doing nothing, I was painting furniture, going on buying trips, displaying, vacuuming, washing windows, pricing, paper work, research and all the other exhausting things that go into running a business! But take the one thing I was doing to practice the obedience of trust on and it’s the thing they were so upset by. I thought, either I’m getting so much pushback from them because I’m really stupid or I’m getting the pushback from the world because I’m doing the right thing, but either way, I’m still going to be stupid and do it.

I am in another lean money time now, but after years of wavering back and forth in trust, I am standing firm in trust. I just think, well if I have to shut it down, it will be because Gods doing something else.

It has been a struggle but I’m standing unwavering now. I can now trust Him and be peaceful no matter how sales go. I’m not like most people, I don’t have a lick of retirement savings, but that doesn’t speak well of me and ill of them, because I can’t AFFORD to save, so it’s not like I chose to not save, it just happens to be my circumstance.

I don’t know why I had to struggle so much and practice so much before I could stop wavering in trust for my temporal needs. That was just where I struggled to learn the obedience of trust.

It’s the same thing Israel did in the desert. Temporal needs, food,water stuff.
 

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I think it important to understand what you believe in, and why. Otherwise, it wouldn't matter what one believed in, it could be a piece of wood, stone, or metal for that matter. Like Jesus told the woman at the well, He said she didn't know what she worshiped (John 4).
 
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I guess I can start. I have a half hour before I have to go open shop.

I have a shop and that’s how I make money. I’ll start by saying I’ve struggled with this for the entire 3 years I’ve been there. I knew I was worrying about sales being slow and if I would have to close the shop and about how I would make money then.

I saw that if I was worrying about it, I was not believing and trusting what Jesus said, that I was not to worry about these things that unbelievers worry about but to seek God first and all these things would be added to me. I was not believing He would take care of me. My worry so obviously showed me my unfaithfulness, lack of trust.

I started to practice learning the obedience of trust in maybe some weird ways, I don’t know. Like, I stopped putting a few pieces on the sidewalk to draw people because I was determined to trust HIM to send people to buy my stuff. I experimented with that and found that I could set things out and have no sales and could NOT set things out and have a good sales day. That proved to me that it was best to practice my trust, even if the way I did it maybe made God scratch His head, I don’t know.

Then my family began to say things like, oh, you need to get one of those sidewalk signs or you need to advertise or you need to set some of your pieces on the sidewalk to catch people’s eyes. And when I said no, they got distressed with me and said it would be my own fault if I lost the shop. I got every phrase imaginable to try to get me to conform to the way all businesses do things, including: yes, but God doesn’t just expect you to do NOTHING! Of course, I wasn’t doing nothing, I was painting furniture, going on buying trips, displaying, vacuuming, washing windows, pricing, paper work, research and all the other exhausting things that go into running a business! But take the one thing I was doing to practice the obedience of trust on and it’s the thing they were so upset by. I thought, either I’m getting so much pushback from them because I’m really stupid or I’m getting the pushback from the world because I’m doing the right thing, but either way, I’m still going to be stupid and do it.

I am in another lean money time now, but after years of wavering back and forth in trust, I am standing firm in trust. I just think, well if I have to shut it down, it will be because Gods doing something else.

It has been a struggle but I’m standing unwavering now. I can now trust Him and be peaceful no matter how sales go. I’m not like most people, I don’t have a lick of retirement savings, but that doesn’t speak well of me and ill of them, because I can’t AFFORD to save, so it’s not like I chose to not save, it just happens to be my circumstance.

I don’t know why I had to struggle so much and practice so much before I could stop wavering in trust for my temporal needs. That was just where I struggled to learn the obedience of trust.

It’s the same thing Israel did in the desert. Temporal needs, food,water stuff.

But…I guess it’s really good, even if it takes you a long time, because if you won’t believe What He says about temporal things, how can He tell you about heavenly things (my paraphrase) and if you’re trusting with a little, He will trust you with more (paraphrased again).
 
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I guess I can start. I have a half hour before I have to go open shop.

I have a shop and that’s how I make money. I’ll start by saying I’ve struggled with this for the entire 3 years I’ve been there. I knew I was worrying about sales being slow and if I would have to close the shop and about how I would make money then.

I saw that if I was worrying about it, I was not believing and trusting what Jesus said, that I was not to worry about these things that unbelievers worry about but to seek God first and all these things would be added to me. I was not believing He would take care of me. My worry so obviously showed me my unfaithfulness, lack of trust.

I started to practice learning the obedience of trust in maybe some weird ways, I don’t know. Like, I stopped putting a few pieces on the sidewalk to draw people because I was determined to trust HIM to send people to buy my stuff. I experimented with that and found that I could set things out and have no sales and could NOT set things out and have a good sales day. That proved to me that it was best to practice my trust, even if the way I did it maybe made God scratch His head, I don’t know.

Then my family began to say things like, oh, you need to get one of those sidewalk signs or you need to advertise or you need to set some of your pieces on the sidewalk to catch people’s eyes. And when I said no, they got distressed with me and said it would be my own fault if I lost the shop. I got every phrase imaginable to try to get me to conform to the way all businesses do things, including: yes, but God doesn’t just expect you to do NOTHING! Of course, I wasn’t doing nothing, I was painting furniture, going on buying trips, displaying, vacuuming, washing windows, pricing, paper work, research and all the other exhausting things that go into running a business! But take the one thing I was doing to practice the obedience of trust on and it’s the thing they were so upset by. I thought, either I’m getting so much pushback from them because I’m really stupid or I’m getting the pushback from the world because I’m doing the right thing, but either way, I’m still going to be stupid and do it.

I am in another lean money time now, but after years of wavering back and forth in trust, I am standing firm in trust. I just think, well if I have to shut it down, it will be because Gods doing something else.

It has been a struggle but I’m standing unwavering now. I can now trust Him and be peaceful no matter how sales go. I’m not like most people, I don’t have a lick of retirement savings, but that doesn’t speak well of me and ill of them, because I can’t AFFORD to save, so it’s not like I chose to not save, it just happens to be my circumstance.

I don’t know why I had to struggle so much and practice so much before I could stop wavering in trust for my temporal needs. That was just where I struggled to learn the obedience of trust.

It’s the same thing Israel did in the desert. Temporal needs, food,water stuff.

Good post Stunned,
I remember this particular struggle of yours, I had at one point thought that you actually DID lost the shop. I guess God had other plans :)
I'm the opposite, I trust in His provisions implicitly...it's the SPIRITUAL that eludes me much of the time, the soul does not always feel "well".
For a bit over 11 years now, a day has not passed that I've not prayed AND thanked Him for His provisions. Prayed that I would be able financially to be ABLE to keep the house. And, that peace that surpasses ALL understanding just came upon me. He has given me the faith to believe in all of this without wavering. Still SOO hungry for a closer relationship with Him...it's the more important blessings that seem to go over my head, I don't recognize Him, can't hear Him always distracted by so many bombarding thoughts. My prayer for the constant racing thoughts is to realize the "sound mind" that He said He gave us.
Any ideas other than FERVENT prayer for "experimenting" on the spiritual? I know I have to get out of His way and let Him lead...I want "uninterrupted fellowship" with Christ! Waaaah! :D
 

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I am a very independent person and I struggled with trusting God. I started a business and right away I was making a quarter million dollars a year. Since then it has declined year after year to the point of me shutting it down. Competition moved in and stole everything I worked for. So I started several other business to make ends meet, every business stagnate or failing. Now I have a disability where I can't even work. I am at the point where I really don't care what happens to me. Everything I do seems to fail so I am giving it all to the Lord. He has to take care of me now. I am trying to get disability social security benefits. My wife makes enough to pay the mortgage and the electricity bill. But I am not worried. I have no control over anything in this life. I think that is what God is showing me. I think he is forcing me to trust him with everything which is fine by me. I would rather have him in control of my life anyway. I just seem to screw it up. Anyway I can fully sympathize with your situation. Whatever happens will be to your benefit if you are trusting him.
 

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Good post Stunned,
I remember this particular struggle of yours, I had at one point thought that you actually DID lost the shop. I guess God had other plans :)
I'm the opposite, I trust in His provisions implicitly...it's the SPIRITUAL that eludes me much of the time, the soul does not always feel "well".
For a bit over 11 years now, a day has not passed that I've not prayed AND thanked Him for His provisions. Prayed that I would be able financially to be ABLE to keep the house. And, that peace that surpasses ALL understanding just came upon me. He has given me the faith to believe in all of this without wavering. Still SOO hungry for a closer relationship with Him...it's the more important blessings that seem to go over my head, I don't recognize Him, can't hear Him always distracted by so many bombarding thoughts. My prayer for the constant racing thoughts is to realize the "sound mind" that He said He gave us.
Any ideas other than FERVENT prayer for "experimenting" on the spiritual? I know I have to get out of His way and let Him lead...I want "uninterrupted fellowship" with Christ! Waaaah! :D

Hmm…no, I can’t think of an experiment spiritually. I only know that every single problem I’ve ever had has come from
1. not believing and trusting something or other that He said
2. From pride I didn’t see in me.
3. From wanting my will rather than accepting His.
 

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The greatest error of such unbelief, is not believing Jesus when He said “Surely I am coming quickly”, and not in the distant future, as is commonly believed.

We’ve fallen pretty far on that one, yeah. Being told He will come when we least expect it, being told to watch, being told to pray you be found worthy to escape, they’re all not heard and believed. Men set aside the scriptures for the doctrines.

At least Paul had to correct the opposite way rather than today, and tell them they hadn’t missed the gathering.
They actually believed it all.
 

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Any ideas other than FERVENT prayer for "experimenting" on the spiritual? I know I have to get out of His way and let Him lead...I want "uninterrupted fellowship" with Christ! Waaaah! :D

Trust the completeness of your reconciliation to God. That's what does it for me.

So maybe to fulfill the OP . . . "come to me, all who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."

I've learned to believe that my rest is what Jesus gives me. I can just rest.

Much love!
 

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At least Paul had to correct the opposite way rather than today, and tell them they hadn’t missed the gathering.
They actually believed it all.
Yes, Paul was correct (of course) to say that they had not missed the resurrection. But putting it off into the distant future was not the answer either. They did not understand, and he did not elaborate further.

The correct answer... is there is only one date/day that is, or can be, universally "that day" of the Lord's coming.
 

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Any ideas other than FERVENT prayer for "experimenting" on the spiritual?
First the natural, then the spiritual.

Make your way through your days attending to the natural needs and cares. But refer always to God for how, what, and when. In doing so, God will lead, and you may follow-- Look for Him, and expect Him at every turn. He is there, and will show Himself.

Each day then is an advancement in the right direction. The natural will decrease, and the He will increase...and all by the Spirit. In this you will become like Him.
 

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Here’s another one I didn’t believe. Because if I had truly believed it, I would have been very upset and asking Him for help sooner on it.

37 “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others, and you will be forgiven.

But, I was stuck in a place where I could see others but couldn’t see myself with any clarity whatsoever. When He let me see I was exactly, exactly like them, I finally pleaded for help.

And all this was AFTER I’d received a down payment of the Holy Spirit.
 
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When Jesus said we would do greater works than He did...

I have trouble with that, not because I think it's impossible but I feel it is far above me. Like I still have a long way to go seeking God before Im flowing in the same miracles, signs, and wonders that Jesus did.
 

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And here’s the real kicker - the people I did all that judging on? They weren’t even believers. They hadn’t received the down payment as I had. And I was judging their behavior toward me who had received the down payment. Like…if I couldn’t treat them any better than they treated me and murdered them in my heart, I was expecting them to be how even I couldn’t be. Talk about finally realizing how poor you are!
 

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Good post Stunned,
I remember this particular struggle of yours, I had at one point thought that you actually DID lost the shop. I guess God had other plans :)
I'm the opposite, I trust in His provisions implicitly...it's the SPIRITUAL that eludes me much of the time, the soul does not always feel "well".
For a bit over 11 years now, a day has not passed that I've not prayed AND thanked Him for His provisions. Prayed that I would be able financially to be ABLE to keep the house. And, that peace that surpasses ALL understanding just came upon me. He has given me the faith to believe in all of this without wavering. Still SOO hungry for a closer relationship with Him...it's the more important blessings that seem to go over my head, I don't recognize Him, can't hear Him always distracted by so many bombarding thoughts. My prayer for the constant racing thoughts is to realize the "sound mind" that He said He gave us.
Any ideas other than FERVENT prayer for "experimenting" on the spiritual? I know I have to get out of His way and let Him lead...I want "uninterrupted fellowship" with Christ! Waaaah! :D


I just love this, Nancy!! You seem like such a lovely person!
 

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When Jesus said we would do greater works than He did...

I have trouble with that, not because I think it's impossible but I feel it is far above me. Like I still have a long way to go seeking God before Im flowing in the same miracles, signs, and wonders that Jesus did.

I kind of think that as long as we have those areas where we aren’t believing something He said, and therefore aren’t hungering and asking for what we lack, it’s impossible FOR Him to do any miracles through us, as even of Jesus it says, and HE couldn’t do many miracles there because of their lack of trust.

And honestly, most of His gospel deals with earthly things like human relational stuff, because it’s for training in righteousness/caring about others at least as much as ourselves - and if we won’t believe Him about earthly things, how can He tell us about heavenly things?
 
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