Do We Believe Everything Jesus Said?

[GRACE ambassador]

It’s a humongous puzzle.
There are many pieces.

HUMONGOUS is correct! That's why MOST of my "study" revolves around "Today's" Message Of PURE GRACE Found In "The Revelation Of The MYSTERY," For us, in The Body Of CHRIST! (my Expertise figuring out Romans - Philemon?), and:

Thus leaving "Future Prophecies" for ISRAEL to ALL the "prophetic experts"
who cannot come to any agreement with each other. God Bless 'em...

Conclusion: IF we can't agree on What "God Is Doing Today," how are we
going to agree about tomorrow.

Hopefully MOST of us agree on "Saved By GRACE Through faith, doing Good
works, and going Home To Be Rewarded, In Heaven!" Amen?

 

[farouk]

I am a very independent person and I struggled with trusting God. I started a business and right away I was making a quarter million dollars a year. Since then it has declined year after year to the point of me shutting it down. Competition moved in and stole everything I worked for. So I started several other business to make ends meet, every business stagnate or failing. Now I have a disability where I can't even work. I am at the point where I really don't care what happens to me. Everything I do seems to fail so I am giving it all to the Lord. He has to take care of me now. I am trying to get disability social security benefits. My wife makes enough to pay the mortgage and the electricity bill. But I am not worried. I have no control over anything in this life. I think that is what God is showing me. I think he is forcing me to trust him with everything which is fine by me. I would rather have him in control of my life anyway. I just seem to screw it up. Anyway I can fully sympathize with your situation. Whatever happens will be to your benefit if you are trusting him.

@Mantis There is indeed a lot to the subject of trust (Proverbs 3.5)...

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I wonder…in 1 thess 2, Paul talks about how the Jews ran them out of town, etc. Then he says, the wrath of God has come upon them at last. I wonder if the letter might have been written after destruction of the temple…

 

[stunnedbygrace]

See there? It’s not just everyone else’s threads I derail. I do it to my own too.
It’s almost like it’s my JOB…

 

[stunnedbygrace]

In my defense, it’s all connected!!

 

[ScottA]

Oh, and what about the one…if He had not cut that time short, no flesh would have survived.
Hmm….might He cut the 7 years short…?

Holding out until the end is hard enough, too hard if the days were not shortened--those 1000 year lifespans, etc.. Who could maintain their faith with another 900 years of being bombarded by the world?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Holding out until the end is hard enough, too hard if the days were not shortened--those 1000 year lifespans, etc.. Who could maintain their faith with another 900 years of being bombarded by the world?

You lost me…do you think the millennium comes before the tribulation? Or are you riffing like me and trying to fit it all together and trying to juggle all the balls and dropping one of them occasionally. Lol.

 

[ScottA]

We should do a comparison of time with eternity...

That can be a real mind bender...but not unlike darkness (shadow of turning) and light (no shadow of turning).

James 1:17
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.'

 

[ScottA]

You lost me…do you think the millennium comes before the tribulation? Or are you riffing like me and trying to fit it all together and trying to juggle all the balls and dropping one of them occasionally. Lol.

No, I was referring to the lifespan of Adam, Noah, etc., in the beginning, and that God has already shorted our days to the current lifespan.

As for the "thousand years" term used in scripture-- time, days, weeks, and years, where there is no such thing with God, the term simply means: beyond the times appointed to men.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That can be a real mind bender...but not unlike darkness (shadow of turning) and light (no shadow of turning).

James 1:17
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.'

You know what I’m remembering? My study of the opening of Genesis. Where He separated the darkness from the light that was before the sun was made. I came up with: and the light He called, everlasting, glorious and the darkness He called: a twisting away of the light. (Or something like that.)

Whew! You do NOT want to know how ugly it got when I shared it all. Lol.

 

[ScottA]

You know what I’m remembering? My study of the opening of Genesis. Where He separated the darkness from the light that was before the sun was made. I came up with: and the light He called, everlasting, glorious and the darkness He called: a twisting away of the light. (Or something like that.)

Yes, and He does it daily!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

No, I was referring to the lifespan of Adam, Noah, etc., in the beginning, and that God has already shorted our days to the current lifespan.

As for the "thousand years" term used in scripture-- time, days, weeks, and years, where there is no such thing with God, the term simply means: beyond the times appointed to men.

Did you…get that from a word study?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes, and He does it daily!

ohmygosh, they got so MAD at me for saying that light was Jesus and for saying THATS the light John referred to in the opening of his gospel book. I still have the scars lolol.

 

[ScottA]

Did you…get that from a word study?

Haha! No, but from the Spirit! ;)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Mmm…okay.

 

[Enoch111]

Who could maintain their faith with another 900 years of being bombarded by the world?

Well Methuselah had no problem. And the Millennium is indeed a literal 1,000 years.

 

[Raccoon1010]

People often say we are just picking and choosing which words of God to believe and which words of God not to believe. I have seen this in myself, so of course I agree with it! I want us to post things in here that Jesus said that we have come to see at some point we weren’t believing and how He made us see we weren’t believing it. It doesn’t matter if you are still struggling to believe and be firm in it or if you are now firm in it, just that you have seen or did see your mistrust on it.

I expressly believe when Jesus talks. There is scripture that supports that idea:

Matthew 17:4-8

King James Version

4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

 

[ScottA]

Well Methuselah had no problem. And the Millennium is indeed a literal 1,000 years.

Good for Methuselah.

But it is God who is "literal" and the measure of all things--not the world...and with Him there is no such thing, no shadow of turning, not once, not 365 times, not a thousand times. And the world, it is a mere created thing.

But none of that will mean anything or make any sense at all...unless you can see the one through the eyes of the Other.

 

[Nancy]

That can be a real mind bender...but not unlike darkness (shadow of turning) and light (no shadow of turning).

James 1:17
"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.'

For real. Can hardly get my mind around that one too. How to even fathom His "form" is out of my grasp, other than the descriptions in the word.

 

[Nancy]

Oh, and what about the one…if He had not cut that time short, no flesh would have survived
Hmm….might He cut the 7 years short…?

Good thought. Perhaps three and a half years in? Like, when the abomination of desolation stands in the temple? It does seem that way...like "mid trib"...not to veer off topic...sry.