Do we walk with God as sinners?
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Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
God is NOT mocked, those that sow to the flesh reap corruption and if they don't confess and forsake their sin immediately... there is no "tolerance" or mercy until we confess AND forsake our sin.
Proverbs 28:13
He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
'If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.' (1John1:8)
Now, continue with the next verse 9, 'If we confess our sins, ............' (and is not, 'If we confessed our sins, ......')
This epistle of Apostle John is written to circulate among the churches, to be read to all born again believers.
And, this does not give permission for a believer to keep on sinning and then confess again and again.
Because, there are consequences to believers who continue to sin, for one, they belong to the devil.
Jesus said, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."
These are teaching for doctrine the commandments of men prosperity gospel, adopted by mega churches.
Don't forget to include the poverty vow gospel in all that.
There are some that believe God wants His people to be dirt poor so they can be closer to Him.
That of course is one extreme on the opposite end of the belief that God wants all His people to be multi-millionaires.
A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight - Proverbs 11:1
What about Jesus saying, sell all your things, give it to the poor, then come and follow Me?
According to post #48 it seem like you did, responding to the calling of Jesus i've quoted.
Anyway, is discussion to your topic is done already?
BlessedPeace
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We are told God doesn't hear the prayers of sinners. John 9
How then would God let those he doesn't hear walk with him?
A belief system called Gnosticism was taking root in Christianity at the time the book of John was being written that taught there was a supreme and unknowable Being, which they designated as the "Monad." The Monad produced various gods, who in turn produced other gods, and one of these gods called the "Demiurge" created the earth and then ruled over it as an angry, evil and jealous god. Gnostics believe this evil god was the god of the Old Testament who is called "Elohim" and so the Monad had to send another god known as the "Christ" to bring special knowledge to mankind and free them from the influence of the evil Elohim. And this is why the gnostics do not seek salvation from repenting of their sin (but rather from the ignorance of which sin is a consequence) that they believe the evil creator God and his angels caused. They emphasize salvation of select humans from bodily existence through their awakening to the knowledge of their original divine identity. I believe the Apostle John had them on his mind when he wrote the Epistle of 1 John saying you must realize you have sin and repent. John was not talking to the already saved Christian as the Catholics would like you to believe.
That message was from the blind man to the Pharisees regarding whether God hears Jesus. Jesus is our Christ and has become our mediator with God. God now hears us imperfect folk thru the atonement of Christ.
The Lamb of God, Jesus forgives us our sins and allows us the comforter or the Holy Ghost so that God can hear those that have sinned.
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It was sarcasm since nobody believes it's a sin to own anything.
There are those that take great pride in being poor and believe being poor earns them special recognition with the Lord.
It's like the old time poverty vows.
BlessedPeace
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There are more passages in the same vein.
What Does the Bible Say About The Lord Will Not Hear Sinners Prayers?
Bible verses about The Lord Will Not Hear Sinners Prayers
Yes God the Father does not hear sinners, but Jesus our mediator does visit with sinners. His spirit is now inside the Holy Ghost. What's the nature and mission of Jesus and what does he do. His Job is to save sinners. How is he going to do that if he ignores them?There are more passages in the same vein.
What Does the Bible Say About The Lord Will Not Hear Sinners Prayers?
Bible verses about The Lord Will Not Hear Sinners Prayerswww.openbible.info
"So He spoke this parable to them, saying: “What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing."
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 15:3-7 - New King James Version
Mark 2:15-17 Now it happened, as He was dining in Levi’s house, that many tax collectors and sinners also sat together with Jesus and His disciples; for there were many, and they followed Him. And when the scribes | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now
So I'm imagining a sinner that is tired of being a sinner and reaches out to God, but God's busy being righteous and doesn't listen to them because God doesn't hear sinners. Jesus fails that sinner because he doesn't go after the lost sheep. Is any of that making sense? I hope not because it's nonsense.
Jesus goes after the sinners.
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Here's one that I have studied.
Leviticus 26: 23-24, 27-28
If a person, who is in the faith, walks contrary to God then so will God walk contrary onto them.
Another one I examined is Hosea 14:9
Jesus talks about how he chastens and reproves members of the body of Christ in Revelations 2 and 3.
Then there's the parable of the sower in Matthew, Mark, and Luke. How the born-again believer can fall into the things of the world, those who uphold on their walk and those who don't.
Both good points, thanks, yes if we walk contrary to God he may lovingly chastise us back onto the path. But I don't think he is not aware of us and our actions being in the body of Christ.
Didn't the widow put in the offering her last 2 coins, and have nothing left but poverty ahead on?
Did not Jesus commend her that she gave every thing she had, while others gave out of their abundance?
Didn't He by using this example, disciple His disciples in lesson about giving to the Kingdom of GOD?
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