Do you accuse people of Sin like the Pharisees did by the law.

[MatthewG]

I disagree with you @Ronald David Bruno. I don't believe Satan is still around. That is fine if you wanna continue to believe otherwise.

 

[MatthewG]

There is a huge issue that people have today when they quote scripture of a context for a people, that were written to.

What happens is they extract a scripture from a letter and dismiss everything said, to the written audience.

Ephesians 1​

Greeting​

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,
To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 1​

Greeting​

1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace [a]from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 1​

Greeting​

1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,
To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1​

Greeting​

1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother,
2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father [a]and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It's always important to understand context when you are going through letters.

 

[Jack]

1 John 3
10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

 

[Jack]

Nope, I do not.

Satan is not around anymore.

Or Jesus lied, and the apostle John who wrote Revelation also lied.

You have been duped by Satan.

2 Corinthians 11
14 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

 

[MatthewG]

Nope. Just believe and fully trust in Revelation, and the people that was written to, was not a joke.

 

[Jack]

Nope. Just believe and fully trust in Revelation, and the people that was written to, was not a joke.

Then why did you DODGE all the verses I quoted from Revelation?

 

[MatthewG]

@Jack, freedom. You know my flesh doesn't even like dealing with you... I told you "Im not obligated to answer your questions if I do not want to." Also encouraged you to "go and study for yourself". Hope you can bear under that burden.

 

[Jack]

@Jack, freedom. You know my flesh doesn't even like dealing with you... I told you "Im not obligated to answer your questions if I do not want to." Also encouraged you to "go and study for yourself". Hope you can bear under that burden.

I just want those reading to know that you have dodged many Scriptures I quoted because you're totally wrong. You have zero proof that Satan doesn't exist. Satan loves it when you tell people he doesn't exist! You're deceived!

Revelation 12
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[MatthewG]

Satan has been defeated, and his head has been crushed. Despite anyone who has problems with me saying such things.

You whoever read this are allowed to believe whatever you want to because in the end it is between you and God. Let God deal with me, and ill choose to let God also do the same to you.

If I was wrong, I believe God would have let me know by now, but I trust Yahava, and I trust the one whom Yahava had sent, and the promises that came from them. They never lied, and they promised that Satan would be defeated.


I believe that is a great thing! Praiseworthy.

 

[Jack]

Satan has been defeated, and his head has been crushed.

Prove that Satan doesn't exist! You can't!

 

[MatthewG]

Just read revelation, and have faith, @Jack.

Everyone looks for signs to have proof, just like the Pharisees, who said "show us a sign." Go study, the bible claims by John the beloved in Revelation he was done away with... you already know the scripture, to sit here and bicker about it is a waste of time.


Everything I believe is by faith... therefore very hard to try to 'fight.' There is also history that co-relates to that time, Josephus, Tacitus, Cassio Dio.

Satan existed, and then was done away with, praise be to God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, to do as they promised.

 

[MatthewG]

Scripture pertaining to the defeat of Satan, by Christ Jesus. Satan's - Thompson Chain Reference -

Defeat of, by Christ

Genesis 3:15
New King James Version
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”


Luke 4:13
New King James Version
13 Now when the devil had ended every [a]temptation, he departed from Him until an opportune time.


John 12:30
New King James Version
30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake.


John 12:31
New King James Version
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.


John 14:30
New King James Version
30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.


2 Thessalonians 2:8
New King James Version
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.


Hebrews 2:14
New King James Version
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,


1 John 3:8
New King James Version
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Revelation 20:10
New King James Version
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[a] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Jack]

Just read revelation, and have faith, @Jack.

I quoted over 10 verses in Revelation that you avoided like plague!

 

[Jack]

Scripture pertaining to the defeat of Satan, by Christ Jesus. Satan's - Thompson Chain Reference -

Defeat of, by Christ

Genesis 3:15
New King James Version
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”


Luke 4:13
New King James Version
13 Now when the devil had ended every [a]temptation, he departed from Him until an opportune time.


John 12:30
New King James Version
30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice did not come because of Me, but for your sake.


John 12:31
New King James Version
31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.


John 14:30
New King James Version
30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.


2 Thessalonians 2:8
New King James Version
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.


Hebrews 2:14
New King James Version
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,


1 John 3:8
New King James Version
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.

Revelation 20:10
New King James Version
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[a] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And NONE of that says Satan doesn't exist! You're preaching doctrines of demons!

 

[MatthewG]

see, this is why its not fruitful to engage with you @Jack.


10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[a] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

This is true, and therefore Satan is done away with today.

You can not believe it, or believe it yet has to happen.

I don't care. I am going to continue to believe that Jesus has had victory. While you can come and just banter against it. No one is not saying Satan never existed. He did, then he was done away with.

 

[MatthewG]

All the best, @Jack.

Love you and hope for you to remain at peace from the God all comfort.

:)

Remember if you need too you can always just put me on ignore, or continue to say I am crazy.

I love you either way it goes man... even though my flesh can hate you. It's the spirit that continues to say love... love your neighbor.

 

[Jack]

see, this is why its not fruitful to engage with you @Jack.

10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[a] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

This is true, and therefore Satan is done away with today.

FUTURE!!!

You can not believe it, or believe it yet has to happen.

I don't care. I am going to continue to believe that Jesus has had victory. While you can come and just banter against it. No one is not saying Satan never existed. He did, then he was done away with.

That's a lie of the Devil! You're leading people to Hell! Oh that's right you don't even believe in Hell.

 

[Jack]

see, this is why its not fruitful to engage with you @Jack.


10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where[a] the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

This is true, and therefore Satan is done away with today.

You can not believe it, or believe it yet has to happen.

I don't care. I am going to continue to believe that Jesus has had victory. While you can come and just banter against it. No one is not saying Satan never existed. He did, then he was done away with.

You're preaching doctrines of demons! You're preaching what Satan loves!

 

[Nancy]

Listen Satan has not been locked up yet! He still exercises much authroity in this world. His Principalities are in charge of different regions of the world where we see false belief systems, communism, terrorism, corruption. We can see cities where crime is out of control.
Your belief is totally wrong. Scholars on both sides, Catholics and Protestants _ across the board _ all agree with this. It is a fundamental belief in Christianity.

>>>You need to digest these scriptures:

Acts 26:18
to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the dominion of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been sanctified by faith in Me"

2 Corinthians 4:4
in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

2 Thessalonians 2:9
that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,

1 Peter 5:8
Your adversary the devil walks around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.

Eph. 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.

Do not be deceived! Satan is still in power and prowling around, drawing weak, lost souls into his grasp, influencing them.

Good scripture verses, all the epistles were written post crucifixion.

 

[MatthewG]

Love to any and all.

Dipping out of this thread now as it has been moved to "general discussion" which it was never meant to be.