Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

[amigo de christo]

Tell you what . i want anyone here to go find me a good person in any religoin .
And as for me i am gonna point every religoin to the ONLY ONE WHO WAS GOOD and that CAN SAVE THEM .
the all inclusive lie is a piece of feces and i shall expose it .
Them religoins do not LOVE GOD . they need to hear the real gospel .
He who hears us is of GOD
He who hears not us is NOT OF GOD . now unless we want to call even john a liar
then i suggest we flee this common ground bridge building lie meant to only merge us all as one UNDER A LIE .

 

[amigo de christo]

Lord willing i shall return later my friends . Me thinks its time we have us
and open disucssion about this so called lie . now if we do
lets bring biblical docrine to back up what we say and not just thoughts and feelings .
And let us remember that EVERY WORD OF JESUS THE CHRIST IS OF GOD
and thus ITS TRUTH and CHARITY SURE DOES REJOICE IN TRUTH DONT IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you think that Christ only died for the saved?

Do you think that Christ only healed people that believed in Him?

Do you think the prostitute and the woman caught in adultery believed in Him or where Christians? How about feeding the 5000?

WHO then can be saved . With man this is impossible . so there goes the false religoins and everyone else .
But with GOD all things are possible . HOW DID GOD choose to save the world . BY the preaching of the true gospel
so that all who do Believe would be saved .
Christ went about healing the sick the maimed and etc . You can see their FAITH was in HIM TOO .
heck one group even broke down a roof knowing HE could heal them .
The woman was mary magdalene . now at that exact moment i do not know whether she did believe on him
BUT SHE SURE DID after that . and i sure seem to remember him saying
TO go and sin NO MORE as well .
Them people the four and the five thousand , they had heard of him , they had followed him even from strange cities
for to hear him . Though of course not all did believe on him . even though he did many miracles
still there were some that did not believe on him .
Now as concerning
those who he had preached too and had not yet repented to beleive on him .
WELL lets just see what he had to say to those .
ITS GONNA BE WORSE for you than ever it was for sodom on the day of judgment .
He spoke about the wisdom of solom and how queen sheba had traveled far to hear his wisdom
and yet a far greater than solomon was there and they would not heed HIM .
EVEN the generation will rise up in judgment against this wicked generation
for ...........
WOE unto you chorazin , woe unto thee , it will be more tolerable for sodom than for you .
And now lets take note what JESUS told his desciples .
GO ye and preach the gospel , those who do not recieve you , shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them
I TELL you it will be more tolerable ...................
and what did paul and them do to those who refused to beleive . THEY TOO SHOOK the dust off
and they warned them big time .
And what did paul write to the church . if under the LAW
one could be put to death by two or three witnesses
HOW MUCH SORER , WORSE a punishemnt for those who TROD CHRIST UNDER FOOT . the false religoins TROD HIM UNDER FOOT
pard . so my advice is , we dont buy the lie they serve the same GOD we do
but rather out of great love we preach the dire need for them to repent and to BELIEVE on JESUS THE CHRIST .

 

[Grailhunter]

He never died for the saved . and tis why we gotta preach the gospel
so that all who do believe will be saved .
You keep asking questions . but i dont seem to notice you agreeing
with me about the fact other religoins are false and do not know GOD .
SO how bout we answer that first .
All of what you are saying will never justify this false inclusive lie they have sold to us .
So lets answer the real big kahuna shall we .
YOU dont really believe this lie they are trying to sell to us .........................do you .
I mean it is a lie . all other religoins do serve satan they just do so through their false religoin .
TIME we preach JESUS to all.
NOW as far as doing good to all . YES . i would feed a hungry muslim or any religoin
but you can rest assured i would also feed them the real gospel too .
Cause they are trapped in a lie my friend . the muslims do not serve the same GOD as we do
Look again real closely at the book called the bible .
I will show you what THE TRUE CHRIST once told to even the jews .
HAD YOU REALLY BELEIVED MOSES you would have believed me .
IF YE WERE TRULY ABRAHAMS children you would do the works of abraham .
THEY claimed moses ,they claimed to follow the law and the prophets
and abraham . THEY DIDNT .
FOR HE WHOM ABRAHAM ,MOSES , THE PROPHETS AND TORAH POINTED TOO , THEY DID NOT BELIEVE HIM AS THE CHRIST .
GUESS WHAT < Muslims can holler all day we are of abraham too , we know torah , we know the prophets .
YEAH , NO THEY DONT . FOR THEY had come rather to JESUS THE CHRIST
and not some other jesus and a lie . I tell us all i can do this all day with the scrips . and it aint cause i am all knowing
or better than anyone . BUT MAN IT SURE DO A SOUL REAL GOOD to know that bible real well .

He never died for the saved . and tis why we gotta preach the gospel
so that all who do believe will be saved . God so loved the world He gave His Son so that that everyone would have an opportunity to be saved.
You keep asking questions . but i dont seem to notice you agreeing
with me about the fact other religoins are false and do not know GOD . Other Christian denominations or other non-Christians religions. Only Chritianity is the true religion.
SO how bout we answer that first .
All of what you are saying will never justify this false inclusive lie they have sold to us .
So lets answer the real big kahuna shall we .
YOU dont really believe this lie they are trying to sell to us .........................do you .
I mean it is a lie . all other religoins do serve satan they just do so through their false religoin .
TIME we preach JESUS to all. Correct
NOW as far as doing good to all . YES . i would feed a hungry muslim or any religoin
but you can rest assured i would also feed them the real gospel too .
Cause they are trapped in a lie my friend . the muslims do not serve the same GOD as we do
Look again real closely at the book called the bible . The Muslim god is Satan.
I will show you what THE TRUE CHRIST once told to even the jews .
HAD YOU REALLY BELEIVED MOSES you would have believed me .
IF YE WERE TRULY ABRAHAMS children you would do the works of abraham .
THEY claimed moses ,they claimed to follow the law and the prophets
and abraham . THEY DIDNT . FOR HE WHOM ABRAHAM ,MOSES , THE PROPHETS AND TORAH POINTED TOO , THEY DID NOT BELIEVE HIM AS THE CHRIST . This is a long topic…..Christianity pulled the rug out from under the Jews. The Mosaic Law formed the rules and spirit of the Hebrew culture and society….Kill all that breaths….save the virgins for yourselves to rape later….kill women that were raped….treat women as property….have multiple wives….they could sell their daughters as sex slaves….the Hebrews believed in one God and no other name or entity. That is all in the Mosaic Law. They did not believe that God would have a Son or that He would be the Messiah. They believed that the Messiah would be a human warlord king that would free them from their oppressors whose kingdom would never end….not die and come back later. And the whole world would obey the Mosaic Law and the Jews would be in power. If you said Savior to a Jew this is what they thought of. If you said the Messiah would save them from Hell it would mean nothing to them because they did not believe in Hell and to this day do not believe in Hell. Because God did not tell them about Hell in the Old Testament or threaten them with Hell for sinning.

So what Christ was and what He was preaching was too different. Even the spirit of what He was preaching was too different. They were looking for a fighter that is why the Jews were looking at some Jewish military leaders as possible Messiahs during the Maccabean Revolts. A man standing in front of them saying He was a God or that He was the Son of God was of the worst sins in their religion. And it is why they decided to kill Christ when He was before the High Priest at the Sanhedrin.

That is not to say that the Jews were not messed up and are messed up but that is why they were having difficulty with Christianity.

GUESS WHAT < Muslims can holler all day we are of abraham too , we know torah , we know the prophets .
YEAH , NO THEY DONT . FOR THEY had come rather to JESUS THE CHRIST
and not some other jesus and a lie . I tell us all i can do this all day with the scrips . and it aint cause i am all knowing
or better than anyone . BUT MAN IT SURE DO A SOUL REAL GOOD to know that bible real well .

 

[amigo de christo]

He never died for the saved . and tis why we gotta preach the gospel
so that all who do believe will be saved . God so loved the world He gave His Son so that that everyone would have an opportunity to be saved.
You keep asking questions . but i dont seem to notice you agreeing
with me about the fact other religoins are false and do not know GOD . Other Christian denominations or other non-Christians religions. Only Chritianity is the true religion.
SO how bout we answer that first .
All of what you are saying will never justify this false inclusive lie they have sold to us .
So lets answer the real big kahuna shall we .
YOU dont really believe this lie they are trying to sell to us .........................do you .
I mean it is a lie . all other religoins do serve satan they just do so through their false religoin .
TIME we preach JESUS to all. Correct
NOW as far as doing good to all . YES . i would feed a hungry muslim or any religoin
but you can rest assured i would also feed them the real gospel too .
Cause they are trapped in a lie my friend . the muslims do not serve the same GOD as we do
Look again real closely at the book called the bible . The Muslim god is Satan.
I will show you what THE TRUE CHRIST once told to even the jews .
HAD YOU REALLY BELEIVED MOSES you would have believed me .
IF YE WERE TRULY ABRAHAMS children you would do the works of abraham .
THEY claimed moses ,they claimed to follow the law and the prophets
and abraham . THEY DIDNT .
FOR HE WHOM ABRAHAM ,MOSES , THE PROPHETS AND TORAH POINTED TOO , THEY DID NOT BELIEVE HIM AS THE CHRIST . This is a long topic…..Christianity pulled the rug out from under the Jews. The Mosaic Law formed the rules and spirit of the Hebrew culture and society….Kill all that breaths….save the virgins for yourselves to rape later….kill women that were raped….treat women as property….have multiple wives….they could sell their daughters as sex slaves….the Hebrews believed in one God and no other name or entity. They did not believe that God would have a Son or that He would be the Messiah. They believed that the Messiah would be a human warlord king that would free them from their oppressors whose kingdom would never end….not die and come back later. And the whole world would obey the Mosaic Law and the Jews would be in power. If you said Savior to a Jew this is what they thought of. If you said the Messiah would save them from Hell it would mean nothing to them because they did not believe in Hell and to this day do not believe in Hell. Because God did not tell them about Hell in the Old Testament or threaten them with Hell for sinning.

So what Christ was and what He was preaching was too different. Even the spirit of what He was preaching was too different. They were looking for a fighter that is why the Jews were looking at some Jewish military leaders as possible Messiahs during the Maccabean Revolts. A man standing in front of them saying He was a God or that He was the Son of God was of the worst sins in their religion. And it is why they deciced to kill Christ when He was before the High Priest at the Sanhedrin.

That is not to say that the Jews were not messed up and are messed up but that is why they were having difficulty with Christianity.

GUESS WHAT < Muslims can holler all day we are of abraham too , we know torah , we know the prophets .
YEAH , NO THEY DONT . FOR THEY had come rather to JESUS THE CHRIST
and not some other jesus and a lie . I tell us all i can do this all day with the scrips . and it aint cause i am all knowing
or better than anyone . BUT MAN IT SURE DO A SOUL REAL GOOD to know that bible real well .

mans version of chrisanity which made void the law is the problem .
NOW do not think for a second i am saying that anyone can be justified by the law . THEY CANNOT .
but what i mean is they turned the grace of GOD into that which actually trangresses the RIGHTEOUSNESS of the law .
The very righteousness which by the SPIRIT that does fullfill the law would have been upon a true chrsitains heart .
THEY MADE VOID the law through their false version of a sin accepting grace .
RIGHT THERE was a huge problem .
NO love of GOD trangresses the righteoness of the law . that LOVE WOULD HAVE PUT GOD HIS CHRIST FIRST
and loved his neighbor as himself. no liieng not cheating , no stealing , no blasphemy
IT WOULD HAVE FULLFILLED THE LAW .
but for a long time and even worse today many are preaching a grace that
contradicts EVEN GOD , HIS SPIRIT and HIS LAW . its a flesh pleasing message is all it is .
As far as the jews , the church itself had already established and fixed that problem .
WELL they tried too , but still some crept in who were teaching wrong stuff . WE in a war my friend .
and now in this last hour upon earth and in this last generation
we got a well favored HARLOT who is unifying all to be as one , ATTENTION , it aint UNDER GOD either
though it do holler GOD is love , its not OF GOD nor HIS LOVE they unify as one under at all .
WE had better watch out . THIS HARLOT is one sneaky HO too .
SHE blends in my freind . to a baptist she came in as though a baptist
to a muslim she crys ye can beleive in ya god , just come and let us all serve this same GOD
we all serve the same GOD she cries . the jews heed her the false relgioisn heed her
and worse much of christendom now heeds her . THIS HO is slick my friend .
the presidents heed her . the agenda is all over the place and most cannot discern it for what it really is
TO them it sounds loving , it sounds good , it sounds kind and caring , BUT IT IS A LIE
meant to DECIEVE is all it is .

 

[Grailhunter]

WHO then can be saved . With man this is impossible . so there goes the false religoins and everyone else .
But with GOD all things are possible . HOW DID GOD choose to save the world . BY the preaching of the true gospel
so that all who do Believe would be saved .
Christ went about healing the sick the maimed and etc . You can see their FAITH was in HIM TOO .
heck one group even broke down a roof knowing HE could heal them .
The woman was mary magdalene . now at that exact moment i do not know whether she did believe on him
BUT SHE SURE DID after that . and i sure seem to remember him saying
TO go and sin NO MORE as well .
Them people the four and the five thousand , they had heard of him , they had followed him even from strange cities
for to hear him . Though of course not all did believe on him . even though he did many miracles
still there were some that did not believe on him .
Now as concerning
those who he had preached too and had not yet repented to beleive on him .
WELL lets just see what he had to say to those .
ITS GONNA BE WORSE for you than ever it was for sodom on the day of judgment .
He spoke about the wisdom of solom and how queen sheba had traveled far to hear his wisdom
and yet a far greater than solomon was there and they would not heed HIM .
EVEN the generation will rise up in judgment against this wicked generation
for ...........
WOE unto you chorazin , woe unto thee , it will be more tolerable for sodom than for you .
And now lets take note what JESUS told his desciples .
GO ye and preach the gospel , those who do not recieve you , shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them
I TELL you it will be more tolerable ...................
and what did paul and them do to those who refused to beleive . THEY TOO SHOOK the dust off
and they warned them big time .
And what did paul write to the church . if under the LAW
one could be put to death by two or three witnesses
HOW MUCH SORER , WORSE a punishemnt for those who TROD CHRIST UNDER FOOT . the false religoins TROD HIM UNDER FOOT
pard . so my advice is , we dont buy the lie they serve the same GOD we do
but rather out of great love we preach the dire need for them to repent and to BELIEVE on JESUS THE CHRIST .

A tally of who believed in Him or He knew believed in Him is not defined in the scriptures. We know He did not ask if they believed in Him. You can assume a lot of things, but a religion of assumptions is prone to error.

 

[Grailhunter]

The saved , did you say the saved . there is NONE who righteous .
JESUS never came to call the righteous but rather sinners to REPENTANCE .
and again , THEER IS NONE WHO IS rigtheous , though the pharisees sure thought they were in their own eyes .

NONE who righteous .....
People latch on to one scripture and to Hell with over 450 others.
It is a good thing that you did not latch on to you must hate your father and mother. If you do a word search for righteous or righteousness you will get back over 450 returns….if memory serves….and you will learn a lot about righteousness in the scriptures

Do you really believe as do many
that there are good people in every relgion who love GOD .
NO SIR . number one THERE IS NONE WHO IS GOOD
and number two HAD THEY LOVED GOD THEY WOULD HAVE LOVED JESUS THE CHRIST whom HE DID SEND

By the Christian definition of Good.....there are no good people in other religions. And all are going to Hell.
But there are plenty of kind people and honest people in other religions that have never heard of Christianity and will go to Hell.

 

[amigo de christo]

A tally of who believed in Him or He knew believed in Him is not defined in the scriptures. We know He did not ask if they believed in Him. You can assume a lot of things, but a religion of assumptions is prone to error.

the number we do not know and i do not assume to know .
But what i do know is , JESUS WARNED A WHOLE LOT about and to those who would not BELIEVE ON HIM .
HE also warned his own apostels and they also warned .
TODAY its DONT JUDGE , hey there are good people in every religoin that love GOD .
THAT AINT WHAT JESUS TAUGHT or the apostels .
Rather they made darn sure to REMIND the CHRUCH
about WHO is of GOD and WHO IS NOT OF GOD
and what occurs to the saved who believe in CHRIST and do endure to the end .
AND WHat occurs to those who hear and yet wont beleive . and i gotta say THEY ARE TWO TOTALLY OPPOSITE ENDS .
I mean man is one very good and man is one very bad . MY ADVICE
never give anyone false hope . JESUS SAVES , PREACH THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
and to observe all things HE DId teach and of course what later the apostels did .
SO i leave us with a warning from PETER concering specially how the church would look nigh the end
as in right before the destruction to end this world .
Many will come in amongst YOU , they will teach PERNSCIOUS THINGS
even DENYING the VERY LORD
AND MANY MANY MANY will follow their ways . PS , he was talking to the church about what was going to happen
EVEN AMONGST IT . WELL IT HAS and ITS GONNA GET WORSE too .

 

[amigo de christo]

NONE who righteous .....
People latch on to one scripture and to Hell with over 450 others.
It is a good thing that you did not latch on to you must hate your father and mother. If you do a word search for righteous or righteousness you will get back over 450 returns….if memory serves….and you will learn a lot about righteousness in the scriptures



By the Christian definition of Good.....there are no good people in other religions. And all are going to Hell.
But there are plenty of kind people and honest people in other religions that have never heard of Christianity and will go to Hell.

i already know what JESUS meant by hate . its not the same kind of hate .
IT means rather HE who puts his mother father son etc BEFORE HIM ,
Because when we learn to read the bible for ouserlves
we also see in other places where he said TO EVEN LOVE your enemies .
YOU SEE we gotta just get into the bible , it all starts coming together more and more .
I did try and tell you some of us have actually loved them lovely GOD INSPIRED WORDS in that bible
and by HIS grace , you know the LOVE of GOD we sure do love TRUTH .
SOME of us have been in the bible . SO when men , not saying you but just a general reminder ,
come in and try and twist stuff , WE DONT BUY IT my friend .
I know by grace how to rightly divide . and it didnt need a scholar or its greek to misguide me , Oh wait
perhaps the kinder word might have been to try and instruct me .
MEN have infilrated US my dear dear friend . and by golly THEN BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS and for years .
NOW we got us a unifying LIE meant to decieve the heck out of us and have us all just find common ground
and all the religoins of mutter earth to just come together into the biggest love fest of all , ONLY IT AINT LOVE
and IT AINT GOD my friend . we got problems .

 

[amigo de christo]

The devil sure knows how to decieve and to unify the world as one right under HIM .
We better get in the bible and stay in the bible loving every word in it
cause baby we got us some heavy deceptoin going on round the world , within christendom .
THEY GONNA MERGE us all under what they think is love and is GOD .
BUT , it aint GOD and its love sure has heck didnt COME FROM HIM
better watch out , better watch out cause they are all over the world , media ,
churches , false religoins , politics ON BOTH SIDES . THEY GONNA MERGE US right into A LIE .

 

[Grailhunter]

mans version of chrisanity which made void the law is the problem .

613 Mosaic Laws….If you break one you break them all. What Mosaic Laws do you want to keep and do you think that the Mosaic Law allow for a person to pick what Laws they will obey and ones they will not?

No I do not believe you believe that that the Law justifies a person.

And most people do not know what Grace and its function.

we got a well favored HARLOT who is unifying all to be as one , ATTENTION , it aint UNDER GOD either
though it do holler GOD is love , its not OF GOD nor HIS LOVE they unify as one under at all .
WE had better watch out . THIS HARLOT is one sneaky HO too .
SHE blends in my freind . to a baptist she came in as though a baptist
to a muslim she crys ye can beleive in ya god , just come and let us all serve this same GOD
we all serve the same GOD she cries . the jews heed her the false relgioisn heed her
and worse much of christendom now heeds her . THIS HO is slick my friend .
the presidents heed her . the agenda is all over the place and most cannot discern it for what it really is
TO them it sounds loving , it sounds good , it sounds kind and caring , BUT IT IS A LIE
meant to DECIEVE is all it is .

Are you talking about the Catholic Church.

And from the time of the Apostles people have been thinking it is the last hour. I am more concerned about how I apply the Word to my life so I am ready when ever it happens.

 

[Grailhunter]

already know what JESUS meant by hate . its not the same kind of hate .

Another assumption....Christ knew what hate is.....or dislike....or not like as much.

The Jews did not send Christ up to be crucified because they liked Him less. Crucify Him! Crucify Him! Let His blood be on us and our children!

 

[amigo de christo]

Another assumption....Christ knew what hate is.....or dislike....or not like as much.

The Jews did not send Christ up to be crucified because they liked Him less. Crucify Him! Crucify Him! Let His blood be on us and our children!

where on earth did you get this assumptoin about me . My dear friend are you reading things clearly .
WHO on earth ever said or implied that the unbeleiving jews LIKED JESUS .
goodness you must be getting very sleepy . now i aint judingin but be careful not to sip too much on the wine either .
cause i cannot beleive where this is coming from .
YOu are assuming things big time about what i am saying . earlier at least you were or seemed more to understand .
Are you super sleepy right now . I never said CHRIST didnt know what hate was or was not .
I am saying when you read that part
it dont mean hate as the world sees it . JESUS is not saying TO HATE your family . I mean we are supposed
to honor our mother and father . HE IS SAYING do not put them BEFORE HIM .
in other words as he says in another place , HE who LOVES , LOVES his father, mother , etc more than me .
Learn to read for you my friend .
I mean JESUS even says to NOT hate your enemies but to love them .
SO its easy to see what he means when he says he who hates not his mother father or his own life
is not worthy of me . IT just means we cannot love them more than him . In fact
one king even had his mama step down as queen cause she had set up a grove . HE put GOD FIRST .
DIDNT mean he hated his mama in the sense the world hates . it just means GOD IS FIRST MAMA .
now get rid of that nasty grove . one of the kings did this in the book of kings . you can read it .
HE made his mama step down as queen cause she had set up a grove to a false god .

 

[amigo de christo]

Another assumption....Christ knew what hate is.....or dislike....or not like as much.

The Jews did not send Christ up to be crucified because they liked Him less. Crucify Him! Crucify Him! Let His blood be on us and our children!

Lets slow down a bit my friend . I bet if we talked on the phone
this could be cleared up real fast . In the mean time i do love to encourage and to exhort us to get in the bible for ouserlves .

 

[Grailhunter]

where on earth did you get this assumptoin about me . My dear friend are you reading things clearly .
WHO on earth ever said or implied that the unbeleiving jews LIKED JESUS .

I am talking about the meaning of the word hate.

it dont mean hate as the world sees it . JESUS is not saying TO HATE your family . I mean we are supposed
to honor our mother and father . HE IS SAYING do not put them BEFORE HIM .

The verse does not say that. Another assumption. He said what He said. I leave it at that, pretty simple. And I am going say I do not know why He said it. Some believe He said what He said because everyone was coming up with excuses why they could not join His ministry. Sounds good.
But still I am on the fence.

 

[Johann]

where on earth did you get this assumptoin about me . My dear friend are you reading things clearly .
WHO on earth ever said or implied that the unbeleiving jews LIKED JESUS .
goodness you must be getting very sleepy . now i aint judingin but be careful not to sip too much on the wine either .
cause i cannot beleive where this is coming from .
YOu are assuming things big time about what i am saying . earlier at least you were or seemed more to understand .
Are you super sleepy right now . I never said CHRIST didnt know what hate was or was not .
I am saying when you read that part
it dont mean hate as the world sees it . JESUS is not saying TO HATE your family . I mean we are supposed
to honor our mother and father . HE IS SAYING do not put them BEFORE HIM .
in other words as he says in another place , HE who LOVES , LOVES his father, mother , etc more than me .
Learn to read for you my friend .
I mean JESUS even says to NOT hate your enemies but to love them .
SO its easy to see what he means when he says he who hates not his mother father or his own life
is not worthy of me . IT just means we cannot love them more than him . In fact
one king even had his mama step down as queen cause she had set up a grove . HE put GOD FIRST .
DIDNT mean he hated his mama in the sense the world hates . it just means GOD IS FIRST MAMA .
now get rid of that nasty grove . one of the kings did this in the book of kings . you can read it .
HE made his mama step down as queen cause she had set up a grove to a false god .

Lol!

 

[BarneyFife]

Spamopalooza

 

[Johann]

Spamopalooza

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[Johann]

Spamopalooza

What's this?

 

[BarneyFife]

What's this?

Amigo and his usual, selfish, thread capture spam

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