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In Exodus and Deuteronomy, does God destroy enemies who obstruct His redemptive plan for the sake of that plan, or does He destroy people for the sake of Israel’s enemies? Please give your reasoned analysis.

This is a very profound and important theological question. The key to understanding God’s actions in *Exodus* and *Deuteronomy* lies in recognizing that the two options are not mutually exclusive—they form a complete relationship of **purpose and means**.

Simply put, **God’s central purpose is to accomplish His redemptive plan, and destroying those who are theologically defined as “enemies obstructing that plan” is the necessary and just way to achieve that purpose.**

Below is a reasonable analysis from several levels.

### 1. Primary Motivation: The Accomplishment of the Redemptive Plan
From the beginning of *Exodus*, when God reveals Himself to Moses, He makes it clear that His purpose is first and foremost “redemption”:

- **He hears their suffering:** “I have come down to deliver them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up from that land to a good and broad land, a land flowing with milk and honey.” (Exodus 3:8)
- **He will be their God:** The entire exodus event is not merely about liberation from slavery but about covenant relationship. “You have seen what I did to the Egyptians… Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples.” (Exodus 19:4–5)

This shows that God’s ultimate purpose is to establish a kingdom of priests belonging to Him, through whom He will bless all nations. **The redemptive plan is the absolute “first cause.”**

### 2. Destroying Enemies: As “Clearing the Obstacles” to Redemption
In the advancement of the redemptive plan, two main “obstructers” appear. God’s dealings with them reveal the interweaving of **justice and redemption**.

#### A. Regarding Egypt: A Dual Act of Judgment and Deliverance
In *Exodus*, God does not destroy Egypt as soon as Israel suffers. The narrative unfolds as a **progressive confrontation**.

- **Pharaoh’s role:** Scripture repeatedly states both that “the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart” and that Pharaoh “hardened his own heart.” Narratively, this is a form of “juridical hardening”—God gave Pharaoh over to his stubbornness in order to demonstrate the futility of Egypt’s gods and Pharaoh’s power, and to display His own might through just judgment.
- **God’s declaration:** “I will stretch out my hand and strike Egypt with all my wonders that I will do in it; after that he will let you go.” (Exodus 3:20) Also, “The Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD.” (Exodus 7:5)
- **Analysis:** Here, destruction (the plagues and the Red Sea) is the means to **break through** the barrier to redemption. Egypt was not destroyed simply because it was “Israel’s enemy” in a nationalistic sense, but because Pharaoh set himself against God, holding God’s “firstborn son” (Israel), and thus became the object of divine judgment. **Redemption is the purpose; defeating the obstructer is the necessary warfare to achieve it.**

#### B. Regarding the Canaanite Nations: Judgment and the Preservation of Holiness
In *Deuteronomy*, God commands Israel to drive out and destroy the seven Canaanite nations. This is often a focal point of theological debate.

- **Not based on ethnic hatred:** Deuteronomy 9:4–5 explicitly states that God is driving out the Canaanites **“not because of your righteousness”** but because of **“the wickedness of these nations”** and to fulfill the oath He swore to the patriarchs.
- **The nature of “wickedness”:** Archaeological evidence and biblical descriptions (e.g., Leviticus 18) indicate that Canaanite culture was marked by extreme moral depravity, including child sacrifice, temple prostitution, and perverse sexual practices. God describes the land as “vomiting out” its inhabitants.
- **Analysis:** In this part of the narrative, God acts as the **cosmic Judge**. Israel serves as the instrument of His judgment. Deuteronomy warns that if Israel later commits the same evils, they too will be “vomited out” (Deuteronomy 28:63).
- **Underlying purpose:** If Israel entered Canaan and quickly assimilated to the local religions, the redemptive plan (bringing forth the Messiah from this people to bless all nations) would be strangled in its infancy. Therefore, **destroying the Canaanites was both a just judgment for their “iniquity being full” and a removal of the “source of infection” to preserve the purity of the redemptive plan.**

### 3. Theological Balance: Holy War and Grace
When analyzing these two books, two important balancing points must not be overlooked:

- **Precedent of grace:** Even in the midst of judgment, God shows that He is not merely the “God of Israel.” During the exodus, “a mixed multitude” (various non-Israelites) went up with Israel (Exodus 12:38) and were incorporated into the redeemed community. At Jericho, Rahab the prostitute (Joshua) was saved by faith and became an ancestor of David and Jesus. This shows that God’s focus was never narrowly on ethnic genocide, but on **judgment against sin** and **the establishment of a community of faith**.
- **Ultimate direction of redemption:** The entire Old Testament narrative points toward the New Testament. In *Exodus*, God is the warrior who defeats Pharaoh. But in the Gospel of John, when Jesus confronts the “ruler of this world” (Satan), He accomplishes redemption not by killing Roman soldiers, but through His sacrifice on the cross. **The physical “removal of enemies” in the Old Testament foreshadows Christ’s spiritual destruction of “the one who has the power of death” (Satan) and His tearing down of the dividing wall between peoples in the New Testament.**

### Conclusion
**God destroyed the enemies who obstructed His redemptive plan for the sake of that redemptive plan.**

Reversing the order—“destroying people for the sake of Israel’s enemies”—would reduce God to a tribal deity, contradicting the repeated emphasis in Scripture (especially Deuteronomy) that it was “not because of your righteousness.”

**A reasonable analysis is this:**
In *Exodus* and *Deuteronomy*, God acts as the **righteous cosmic King**. Within a specific historical context, He **judges those powers that, through their sin, have excluded themselves from grace and systematically obstruct His saving purposes**. He does this in order to **establish a holy covenantal people**, thereby **preparing the way for the ultimate salvation of all humanity through Jesus Christ**.

Therefore, the logical relationship between the two options is this: **the redemptive plan is the purpose; judgment on the enemies is the necessary and just surgery on “systemic evil” required to achieve that purpose.**
 

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Do you believe that God deliberately encircles people in disobedience?

Yes,I believe.
Because the origin of the name Israel is,Wrestling with human, wrestling with God.

But the result of victory is obedience to God's word.
 

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Do you believe that God deliberately encircles people in disobedience?

Yes,I believe.
Because the origin of the name Israel is,Wrestling with human, wrestling with God.

But the result of victory is obedience to God's word.
You said >>>""Do you believe that God deliberately encircles people in disobedience?
>>>>"Yes,I believe.
List the verses from Christ through Paul that supports your claim.
 

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You said >>>""Do you believe that God deliberately encircles people in disobedience?
>>>>"Yes,I believe.
List the verses from Christ through Paul that supports your claim.


Ephesians 6:11-12 (ESV):
*Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.*

Ephesians 2:2(ESV):
*…in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience.*

2 Corinthians4:4 (ESV):
*In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.*

Colossians 1:13(ESV):
*He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son.*
 

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11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
 

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Because God wants to judge all people for their unbelief, so that His kindness may be shown to all.
 

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God destroyed the enemies who obstructed His redemptive plan for the sake of that redemptive plan
YES!!!

Romans 8:17-25.....speaking of the elect, Paul said....

If, then, we are children, we are also heirs—heirs indeed of God, but joint heirs with Christ—provided we suffer together so that we may also be glorified together.

18  For I consider that the sufferings of the present time do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. 19  For the creation is waiting with eager expectation for the revealing of the sons of God. 20  For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself will also be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22  For we know that all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now. 23  Not only that, but we ourselves also who have the firstfruits, namely, the spirit, yes, we ourselves groan within ourselves while we are earnestly waiting for adoption as sons, the release from our bodies by ransom. 24  For we were saved in this hope; but hope that is seen is not hope, for when a man sees a thing, does he hope for it? 25  But if we hope for what we do not see, we keep eagerly waiting for it with endurance.”

How clearly Paul explains our predicament....the whole of creation was subjected to the futility of satan’s rulership, on the basis of the hope of redemption.....God’s plan from the beginning of man’s rebellion, included “all creation”. The angels too were part of that creation and as we see in Genesis, the first one to rebel and to defect from his Creator, was not human.

The elect who have the hope of ruling with Christ in heaven are the “firstfruits” of mankind to entertain adoption as sons. (Rev 14:1-5)

An object lesson was required to...
1) clear God’s name and reputation of the slander that the devil heaped upon it.

2) to show all creation what it means to be ruled by anyone who is not God....in heaven or on earth.
If they could not be told that obedience was the best course, they had to be shown where disobedience would lead them....nowhere good.

3) to send a redeemer into the world to rescue those who resisted the devil’s attempts to separate them from “the only true God”, by creating a multitude of other gods who don’t really exist but are simply figments of the devil’s imagination in him trying to be a god to everyone. He gains his worship by deception catering to the need in man to worship a higher entity....he masquerades as that higher entity.
False religion is a global reality that has enslaved billions down through the centuries, most who unknowingly gave their worship to the devil.

4) The hope of this redemption is what keeps God’s true worshippers in expectation of its fulfilment. Those who hold this hope do not need to fight in the devil’s worldly conflicts, trying to undermine the reasons why God allowed it in the first place. Christ’s disciples are no part of that world. (John 17:16; 18:36)

If you don’t have the big picture.....nothing really makes sense.
 
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I Only hope the final judgment coming soon.
There is no more sense for me.
Blind leading the blind, as a prophesy never and can't change anymore.
But I found the world still running under the will of Satan.
Running out under the countless people.
And I am not the savior,only Jesus Christ.
So I will only learning by myself on the road of word of God.
 

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So I will only learning by myself on the road of word of God.

You are not alone, you have the Helper.
John 14:26

I recommend prayer and fasting while you partake of the word with fresh eyes and an receptive heart, to believe what is written.
 
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In Exodus and Deuteronomy, does God destroy enemies who obstruct His redemptive plan for the sake of that plan, or does He destroy people for the sake of Israel’s enemies? Please give your reasoned analysis.

This is a very profound and important theological question. The key to understanding God’s actions in *Exodus* and *Deuteronomy* lies in recognizing that the two options are not mutually exclusive—they form a complete relationship of **purpose and means**.

Simply put, **God’s central purpose is to accomplish His redemptive plan, and destroying those who are theologically defined as “enemies obstructing that plan” is the necessary and just way to achieve that purpose.**

Below is a reasonable analysis from several levels.

### 1. Primary Motivation: The Accomplishment of the Redemptive Plan
From the beginning of *Exodus*, when God reveals Himself to Moses, He makes it clear that His purpose is first and foremost “redemption”:

- **He hears their suffering:** “I have come down to deliver them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up from that land to a good and broad land, a land flowing with milk and honey.” (Exodus 3:8)
- **He will be their God:** The entire exodus event is not merely about liberation from slavery but about covenant relationship. “You have seen what I did to the Egyptians… Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples.” (Exodus 19:4–5)

This shows that God’s ultimate purpose is to establish a kingdom of priests belonging to Him, through whom He will bless all nations. **The redemptive plan is the absolute “first cause.”**

### 2. Destroying Enemies: As “Clearing the Obstacles” to Redemption
In the advancement of the redemptive plan, two main “obstructers” appear. God’s dealings with them reveal the interweaving of **justice and redemption**.

#### A. Regarding Egypt: A Dual Act of Judgment and Deliverance
In *Exodus*, God does not destroy Egypt as soon as Israel suffers. The narrative unfolds as a **progressive confrontation**.

- **Pharaoh’s role:** Scripture repeatedly states both that “the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart” and that Pharaoh “hardened his own heart.” Narratively, this is a form of “juridical hardening”—God gave Pharaoh over to his stubbornness in order to demonstrate the futility of Egypt’s gods and Pharaoh’s power, and to display His own might through just judgment.
- **God’s declaration:** “I will stretch out my hand and strike Egypt with all my wonders that I will do in it; after that he will let you go.” (Exodus 3:20) Also, “The Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD.” (Exodus 7:5)
- **Analysis:** Here, destruction (the plagues and the Red Sea) is the means to **break through** the barrier to redemption. Egypt was not destroyed simply because it was “Israel’s enemy” in a nationalistic sense, but because Pharaoh set himself against God, holding God’s “firstborn son” (Israel), and thus became the object of divine judgment. **Redemption is the purpose; defeating the obstructer is the necessary warfare to achieve it.**

#### B. Regarding the Canaanite Nations: Judgment and the Preservation of Holiness
In *Deuteronomy*, God commands Israel to drive out and destroy the seven Canaanite nations. This is often a focal point of theological debate.

- **Not based on ethnic hatred:** Deuteronomy 9:4–5 explicitly states that God is driving out the Canaanites **“not because of your righteousness”** but because of **“the wickedness of these nations”** and to fulfill the oath He swore to the patriarchs.
- **The nature of “wickedness”:** Archaeological evidence and biblical descriptions (e.g., Leviticus 18) indicate that Canaanite culture was marked by extreme moral depravity, including child sacrifice, temple prostitution, and perverse sexual practices. God describes the land as “vomiting out” its inhabitants.
- **Analysis:** In this part of the narrative, God acts as the **cosmic Judge**. Israel serves as the instrument of His judgment. Deuteronomy warns that if Israel later commits the same evils, they too will be “vomited out” (Deuteronomy 28:63).
- **Underlying purpose:** If Israel entered Canaan and quickly assimilated to the local religions, the redemptive plan (bringing forth the Messiah from this people to bless all nations) would be strangled in its infancy. Therefore, **destroying the Canaanites was both a just judgment for their “iniquity being full” and a removal of the “source of infection” to preserve the purity of the redemptive plan.**

### 3. Theological Balance: Holy War and Grace
When analyzing these two books, two important balancing points must not be overlooked:

- **Precedent of grace:** Even in the midst of judgment, God shows that He is not merely the “God of Israel.” During the exodus, “a mixed multitude” (various non-Israelites) went up with Israel (Exodus 12:38) and were incorporated into the redeemed community. At Jericho, Rahab the prostitute (Joshua) was saved by faith and became an ancestor of David and Jesus. This shows that God’s focus was never narrowly on ethnic genocide, but on **judgment against sin** and **the establishment of a community of faith**.
- **Ultimate direction of redemption:** The entire Old Testament narrative points toward the New Testament. In *Exodus*, God is the warrior who defeats Pharaoh. But in the Gospel of John, when Jesus confronts the “ruler of this world” (Satan), He accomplishes redemption not by killing Roman soldiers, but through His sacrifice on the cross. **The physical “removal of enemies” in the Old Testament foreshadows Christ’s spiritual destruction of “the one who has the power of death” (Satan) and His tearing down of the dividing wall between peoples in the New Testament.**

### Conclusion
**God destroyed the enemies who obstructed His redemptive plan for the sake of that redemptive plan.**

Reversing the order—“destroying people for the sake of Israel’s enemies”—would reduce God to a tribal deity, contradicting the repeated emphasis in Scripture (especially Deuteronomy) that it was “not because of your righteousness.”

**A reasonable analysis is this:**
In *Exodus* and *Deuteronomy*, God acts as the **righteous cosmic King**. Within a specific historical context, He **judges those powers that, through their sin, have excluded themselves from grace and systematically obstruct His saving purposes**. He does this in order to **establish a holy covenantal people**, thereby **preparing the way for the ultimate salvation of all humanity through Jesus Christ**.

Therefore, the logical relationship between the two options is this: **the redemptive plan is the purpose; judgment on the enemies is the necessary and just surgery on “systemic evil” required to achieve that purpose.**
God is Savior.

Everything is not happening in "real time" as it may seem--everything is actually after-the-fact.

Meaning, God does not destroy in the way we think of destroy. The damage is done--was done--before the world began ("before the foundation of the world") and we did this to ourselves. Even so, He has made a way of save passage, if it is in us to believe all that may only appear to be handwriting on the wall, but is actually the Spirit of God at work making Himself available at every turn.
 

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God is Savior.

Everything is not happening in "real time" as it may seem--everything is actually after-the-fact.

Meaning, God does not destroy in the way we think of destroy. The damage is done--was done--before the world began ("before the foundation of the world") and we did this to ourselves. Even so, He has made a way of save passage, if it is in us to believe all that may only appear to be handwriting on the wall, but is actually the Spirit of God at work making Himself available at every turn.
God's timetable is different from ours. He is a watchmaker who can adjust the time scale at any time.
There's two timeline for my understanding.
One is old earth.
One is new earth.
 

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God's timetable is different from ours. He is a watchmaker who can adjust the time scale at any time.
There's two timeline for my understanding.
One is old earth.
One is new earth.
Time is but an illusion created by God. As such there is no actual timetable. This is rather a form of media, of revelation. The pages of history are like the pages of a book that is already written--what actual timeline does a book have, the story timeline, the time it takes to read the story, or that of the author? None of the above.

The point is, God is not a killer. We are the story of history, we are the guilty ones--He just wrote about it, and is revealing the story.
 

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Time is but an illusion created by God. As such there is no actual timetable. This is rather a form of media, of revelation. The pages of history are like the pages of a book that is already written--what actual timeline does a book have, the story timeline, the time it takes to read the story, or that of the author? None of the above.

The point is, God is not a killer. We are the story of history, we are the guilty ones--He just wrote about it, and is revealing the story.
I was pray to God that I wanted to be alone without any others,
And at a moment, I can felt everyone else was gone,no Sound for a while.
I felt There's a strange feeling. I'm not quite used to this sudden situation.
Even if that was my pray but God given me it before my pray.
Something incredible. I feel that God is afraid of my wanting to be alone forever. Because I think all the troubles come from others. I feel that if I'm alone, I can eliminate all distractions and noise.
I also felt that God wanted me to regret. It was as if a harmonious family of all humanity was waiting for me in a distant future at some point, expecting to give me a surprise.
So what do you think about it?
Am I too cold-blooded to face up to one happy ending?
 
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I was pray to God that I wanted to be alone without any others,
And at a moment, I can felt everyone else was gone,no Sound for a while.
I felt There's a strange feeling. I'm not quite used to this sudden situation.
Even if that was my pray but God given me it before my pray.
Something incredible. I feel that God is afraid of my wanting to be alone forever. Because I think all the troubles come from others. I feel that if I'm alone, I can eliminate all distractions and noise.
I also felt that God wanted me to regret. It was as if a harmonious family of all humanity was waiting for me in a distant future at some point, expecting to give me a surprise.
So what do you think about it?
Am I too cold-blooded to face up to one happy ending?
What is missing is not silence, but harmony. God has shown you that.
 

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What is missing is not silence, but harmony. God has shown you that.
Perhaps it's hard for me to accept this sense of contrast.

But just as God said in genesis, fill on the earth. gene with all kinds of people.
Much of the joy is brought about by many people, and so are many of the pains.

Perhaps I should seriously consider what I really want.
 
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In Exodus and Deuteronomy, does God destroy enemies who obstruct His redemptive plan for the sake of that plan, or does He destroy people for the sake of Israel’s enemies? Please give your reasoned analysis.

This is a very profound and important theological question. The key to understanding God’s actions in *Exodus* and *Deuteronomy* lies in recognizing that the two options are not mutually exclusive—they form a complete relationship of **purpose and means**.

Simply put, **God’s central purpose is to accomplish His redemptive plan, and destroying those who are theologically defined as “enemies obstructing that plan” is the necessary and just way to achieve that purpose.**

Below is a reasonable analysis from several levels.

### 1. Primary Motivation: The Accomplishment of the Redemptive Plan
From the beginning of *Exodus*, when God reveals Himself to Moses, He makes it clear that His purpose is first and foremost “redemption”:

- **He hears their suffering:** “I have come down to deliver them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up from that land to a good and broad land, a land flowing with milk and honey.” (Exodus 3:8)
- **He will be their God:** The entire exodus event is not merely about liberation from slavery but about covenant relationship. “You have seen what I did to the Egyptians… Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples.” (Exodus 19:4–5)

This shows that God’s ultimate purpose is to establish a kingdom of priests belonging to Him, through whom He will bless all nations. **The redemptive plan is the absolute “first cause.”**

### 2. Destroying Enemies: As “Clearing the Obstacles” to Redemption
In the advancement of the redemptive plan, two main “obstructers” appear. God’s dealings with them reveal the interweaving of **justice and redemption**.

#### A. Regarding Egypt: A Dual Act of Judgment and Deliverance
In *Exodus*, God does not destroy Egypt as soon as Israel suffers. The narrative unfolds as a **progressive confrontation**.

- **Pharaoh’s role:** Scripture repeatedly states both that “the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart” and that Pharaoh “hardened his own heart.” Narratively, this is a form of “juridical hardening”—God gave Pharaoh over to his stubbornness in order to demonstrate the futility of Egypt’s gods and Pharaoh’s power, and to display His own might through just judgment.
- **God’s declaration:** “I will stretch out my hand and strike Egypt with all my wonders that I will do in it; after that he will let you go.” (Exodus 3:20) Also, “The Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD.” (Exodus 7:5)
- **Analysis:** Here, destruction (the plagues and the Red Sea) is the means to **break through** the barrier to redemption. Egypt was not destroyed simply because it was “Israel’s enemy” in a nationalistic sense, but because Pharaoh set himself against God, holding God’s “firstborn son” (Israel), and thus became the object of divine judgment. **Redemption is the purpose; defeating the obstructer is the necessary warfare to achieve it.**

#### B. Regarding the Canaanite Nations: Judgment and the Preservation of Holiness
In *Deuteronomy*, God commands Israel to drive out and destroy the seven Canaanite nations. This is often a focal point of theological debate.

- **Not based on ethnic hatred:** Deuteronomy 9:4–5 explicitly states that God is driving out the Canaanites **“not because of your righteousness”** but because of **“the wickedness of these nations”** and to fulfill the oath He swore to the patriarchs.
- **The nature of “wickedness”:** Archaeological evidence and biblical descriptions (e.g., Leviticus 18) indicate that Canaanite culture was marked by extreme moral depravity, including child sacrifice, temple prostitution, and perverse sexual practices. God describes the land as “vomiting out” its inhabitants.
- **Analysis:** In this part of the narrative, God acts as the **cosmic Judge**. Israel serves as the instrument of His judgment. Deuteronomy warns that if Israel later commits the same evils, they too will be “vomited out” (Deuteronomy 28:63).
- **Underlying purpose:** If Israel entered Canaan and quickly assimilated to the local religions, the redemptive plan (bringing forth the Messiah from this people to bless all nations) would be strangled in its infancy. Therefore, **destroying the Canaanites was both a just judgment for their “iniquity being full” and a removal of the “source of infection” to preserve the purity of the redemptive plan.**

### 3. Theological Balance: Holy War and Grace
When analyzing these two books, two important balancing points must not be overlooked:

- **Precedent of grace:** Even in the midst of judgment, God shows that He is not merely the “God of Israel.” During the exodus, “a mixed multitude” (various non-Israelites) went up with Israel (Exodus 12:38) and were incorporated into the redeemed community. At Jericho, Rahab the prostitute (Joshua) was saved by faith and became an ancestor of David and Jesus. This shows that God’s focus was never narrowly on ethnic genocide, but on **judgment against sin** and **the establishment of a community of faith**.
- **Ultimate direction of redemption:** The entire Old Testament narrative points toward the New Testament. In *Exodus*, God is the warrior who defeats Pharaoh. But in the Gospel of John, when Jesus confronts the “ruler of this world” (Satan), He accomplishes redemption not by killing Roman soldiers, but through His sacrifice on the cross. **The physical “removal of enemies” in the Old Testament foreshadows Christ’s spiritual destruction of “the one who has the power of death” (Satan) and His tearing down of the dividing wall between peoples in the New Testament.**

### Conclusion
**God destroyed the enemies who obstructed His redemptive plan for the sake of that redemptive plan.**

Reversing the order—“destroying people for the sake of Israel’s enemies”—would reduce God to a tribal deity, contradicting the repeated emphasis in Scripture (especially Deuteronomy) that it was “not because of your righteousness.”

**A reasonable analysis is this:**
In *Exodus* and *Deuteronomy*, God acts as the **righteous cosmic King**. Within a specific historical context, He **judges those powers that, through their sin, have excluded themselves from grace and systematically obstruct His saving purposes**. He does this in order to **establish a holy covenantal people**, thereby **preparing the way for the ultimate salvation of all humanity through Jesus Christ**.

Therefore, the logical relationship between the two options is this: **the redemptive plan is the purpose; judgment on the enemies is the necessary and just surgery on “systemic evil” required to achieve that purpose.**
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But my holy spirit didn't teaching me anything, but The fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Sounds weird,right?
I can only feel a calm and placid emotion.
It influences me all the time.
Knowledge imparted by the Holy Spirit may not even be noticable. It doesn't necessarily need to come with a eureka moment. Where we say "ahh now I get it."

How do I know what knowledge came from the Holy Spirit then? I know by the fruit. My understanding formed during a time spent with the Lord has withstood the test of time. Where new beliefs made by human reasonings have often failed to stand against scrutiny.