Does Grace replace the law?

[Angelina]

That's true. But it only condemns those who teabags the law. No law condemns those who are innocent.

I liked your entire post but would like to modify the above. Curtsy accomplished all that was necessary for the world to be saved. Through the atoning blood, man has the opportunity to seek forgiveness and begin a relationship with Jesus. However, the full complete work of Atonement didn't finish at the cross.
The OT sanctuary services were a type of the NT reality and fulfillment of those services. For example, we are all familiar with the passover being fulfilled by the sacrifice at Calvary. Add to that the numerous sin offerings throughout the Hebrew calender, with Jesus bearing it all. However, the priest after taking the blood of the sacrifice, sprinkled it upon the altar inside the tabernacle. He also ate some oh the meat, transferring in type the sin to himself which he then deposited inside the tent. This took place every day throughout the year, building up a record of sin before God in His temple.
Our sins are also recorded in reality in the books of heaven. Once a year the high priest went through the ritual of the day of Atonement to "cleanse the sanctuary"" of all the sins of the children of Israel. Jesus, after the resurrection, also entered the heavenly sanctuary as our High Priest there to minister as our Mediator before the throne of the Father. There also, He must : cleanse the sanctuary" of all the sins of all those who accepted Him as the Saviour, and have faith in His ongoing ministry sanctifying and finishing the work He began on Calvary in the individual lives of those who surrender themselves to His Spirit.
The wrork of Atonement will only be complete when our High Priest leaves the heavenly sanctuary and returns here to take His children home.

@Brakelite, I appreciate the clarification and I agree that Christ continues His ministry as our High Priest and Mediator in heaven.

My statement was specifically referring to the sacrificial aspect of the atonement. When Jesus said, "It is finished" (John 19:30), I understand Him to mean that the once-for-all sacrifice for sin had been fully accomplished. Nothing can be added to the value or sufficiency of His shed blood.

Where we may differ is in how we define the word "atonement." I see a distinction between the completed sacrifice of Christ at Calvary and His ongoing priestly ministry in applying the benefits of that finished work to believers. Hebrews repeatedly emphasizes that Christ offered Himself once for all, in contrast to the repeated sacrifices of the old covenant.

So while I fully affirm Christ's present intercession and His work of sanctifying His people, I would still maintain that the atoning sacrifice itself was completed at the cross and that our justification rests entirely upon that finished work.

Thank you for sharing your perspective. These are important truths to discuss carefully and with grace.

 

[PeterAndroz]

How about John 1: 12, John 3, John 4, John 5, John 6.

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

Scripture teaches that Paul is my Apostle & Minister, John the 12 are to a different audience

Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[Brakelite]

Scripture teaches that Paul is my Apostle & Minister, John the 12 are to a different audience

Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

You reject the Master in favour of the pupil?

 

[Brakelite]

Scripture teaches that Paul is my Apostle & Minister, John the 12 are to a different audience

Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Consider this....

“And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. ”
Isaiah 49:6 KJV

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“And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. ”
Isaiah 11:10 KJV

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“6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. ”
Isaiah 42:6-8 KJV

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“2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. ”
Isaiah 60:2-3 KJV

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And there are more...
Point being is that whatever gospel Paul taught to the Gentiles, was precisely the same gospel Jesus preached. You cannot, must not, turn aside from the teachings and doctrines of the Son of God and think Paul is your only source of truth.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's true. But it only condemns those who teabags the law. No law condemns those who are innocent.

You just made my point for me. No one is innocent. For all have sinned and fall short.

I liked your entire post but would like to modify the above. Curtsy accomplished all that was necessary for the world to be saved. Through the atoning blood, man has the opportunity to seek forgiveness and begin a relationship with Jesus. However, the full complete work of Atonement didn't finish at the cross.

Actually yes it did. Thats your problem. Much like the jews in pauls day you want to add to the gospel. There is nothing that can be added. Jesus said it is finished. Tetelesti in the greek literally means paid in full.. There is nothing more than can be done.. You either recieve his gift in faith. or you reject his gift in lack of faith. Paul called the jews fools because they started in the spirit but tried to perfect with their works.. I pray wholeheartedly you are not like them..

Here I give you the words of Jesus himself. will you listen to him?

John 1: 12. But AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED HIM, to THEM he gave the right to become children, even TO THEM WHO BELIEVE (no works)

John 3, FOR God so loved the world he gave his only son that WHOEVER BELIEVES (trusts) in him will NEVER PERISH, and LIVE FOREVER (eternal life) for the son was not sent to judge, but that the world might be saved, he who BELIEVES is NOT CONDEMNED, he who does not believe is condemned already (no works)

John 4: 13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will NEVER THIRST. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into EVERLASTING LIFE” (no works)

John 5: 24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he whoever HEARS MY WORD and BELIEVES IN HIM WHO SENT ME who sent Me HAS ETERNAL LIFE and SHALL NOT COME INTO JUDGMENT but HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE (No works)

John 6: 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. HE WHO COMES TO ME shall NEVER HUNGER and he who BELIEVES IN ME shall NEVER THIRST (NO WORKS)

John 6: 37: and THE ONE WHO COMES TO ME I WILL BY NO MEANS CAST OUT 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, thatof all He has given Me I SHAL LOSE NOTHING, but SHOULD RAISE IT UP ON THE LAST DAY. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that EVERYONE WHO SEES AND BELIEVES IN HIM MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE AND I WILL (NOT MIGHT) RAISE HIM ON THE LAST DAY (NO WORKS)

John 6: 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, HE WHO BELIEVES IN ME HAS EVERLASTING LIFE. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that THAT ONE MAY EAT OF IT AND NOT DIE 51 am the living bread which came down from heaven. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD HE WILL LIVE FOREVER (NO WORKS)

John 6: 63 It is the SPIRIT WHO GIVES LIFE ; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK to you ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE (SIGNIFYING THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN, THE FLESH AND BOOD ARE THE WORDS JESUS SPOKE. NOT THE PHYSICAL FOOD OR WORKS,)

Will you bow down to him and make him your savior and king? Not because your worthy, but because you are loved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture teaches that Paul is my Apostle & Minister, John the 12 are to a different audience

Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

lol.. Yet they taught the same gospel.

 

[Rockerduck]

The words of Jesus trump all the Apostles and disciples.

Romans 11:6 - But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

 

[Brakelite]

@Eternally Grateful Did you read the full context of my reply to Angelina? I do fully agree with you, and Angelina, that the full price has been paid. We are looked upon by God now as if we had never sinned. All is forgiven. And yes, all that took place on the cross at Calvary. And I, for 50 years, have never felt the necessity to add works or obedience or anything else to the formula. It is already complete and sufficient, just as it was for Israel when they killed the first Passover Lamb and gained their escape from bondage to Egypt. We have now escaped our bondage to sin. So. Where does that leave us? Where to from here? Was Calvary truly the end of the redemption story? What happened to the blood of the lamb? What happened to the blood of the lamb throughout the following 1500 years when Israel was worshipping before the tabernacle? Isaiah 1 described it as iniquitous at one time. The Lord was disgusted with the constant killing, the constant ritualistic process that saw calves and lambs and heifers and doves etc become nothing more than "get out of jail free" cards grazing in the back paddock. Is the church treating the sacrifice of the Son of God with any more honor, respect, and gratitude than did Israel in the time of Ahab? Do you think that believing in Christ's sacrifice and accepting Calvary for your personal salvation is really the end of the story? I'm not trying to add anything more to what Christ has accomplished, that would be dumb. But what about you? What has been your response to God for the marvellous love, mercy and grace extended toward you? Dancing at so called Christian rock shows on Sunday mornings? Celebrating your freedom by continuing to do what you've always done, only now blessed and baptised? Consider this...

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. ”
James 2:19 KJV

“22 And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last. ”
Luke 13:22-30

“12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. ”
Matthew 7:12-27 KJV

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The first covenant was broken through disobedience by Israel. As hard as they tried, they failed. God sent prophets and even His own Son, but Israel killed them all. They wanted to do things their own way. The sacrifices and temple services had become a ritualistic meaningless facade to cover gross hypocrisy and apostasy. But God's promises are sure, even though ours are like ropes of sand. Casting aside the poor ineffectual promises of man, God instituted a new covenant that excluded completely man's works, and made it clear that obedience is not only possible through His strength, for without Him nothing is impossible, and without Him we can do nothing, but also that obedience to His commandments does still affect our ultimate destiny, as Revelation is abundantly clear that those who do not obey His commandments are outside the gates of the kingdom.

Yes. The fault was in their promise to obey Him in everything. God didn't ask them to promise anything. It's all by faith... Even then.


The choice isn't between law and grace. It's between obedience or sin. Between righteousness or unrighteousness. Good and evil. How must I live? Then the choice is in how do I obey? Can I live a sanctified holy committed consecrated life in which I am truly loving God with all my heart, soul, mind and body, and loving my neighbor as myself? Can I? And the answer is a resounding yes! Because that is why Jesus came... To save the people from their sins. The question is how?
And the answer is through being fully converted, fully surrendered, having the mind of Christ and being sanctified by truth. We are predestined to become the image of Christ. That's our destiny, and it's available now. To live in full compliance and obedience to all God's commandments.
Who in Christianity comes under fire the most? Those who proclaim righteousness, or those who proclaim it doesn't matter?

KJV Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful Did you read the full context of my reply to Angelina? I do fully agree with you, and Angelina, that the full price has been paid. We are looked upon by God now as if we had never sinned. All is forgiven. And yes, all that took place on the cross at Calvary. And I, for 50 years, have never felt the necessity to add works or obedience or anything else to the formula. It is already complete and sufficient, just as it was for Israel when they killed the first Passover Lamb and gained their escape from bondage to Egypt. We have now escaped our bondage to sin. So. Where does that leave us? Where to from here? Was Calvary truly the end of the redemption story? What happened to the blood of the lamb? What happened to the blood of the lamb throughout the following 1500 years when Israel was worshipping before the tabernacle? Isaiah 1 described it as iniquitous at one time. The Lord was disgusted with the constant killing, the constant ritualistic process that saw calves and lambs and heifers and doves etc become nothing more than "get out of jail free" cards grazing in the back paddock. Is the church treating the sacrifice of the Son of God with any more honor, respect, and gratitude than did Israel in the time of Ahab? Do you think that believing in Christ's sacrifice and accepting Calvary for your personal salvation is really the end of the story? I'm not trying to add anything more to what Christ has accomplished, that would be dumb. But what about you? What has been your response to God for the marvellous love, mercy and grace extended toward you? Dancing at so called Christian rock shows on Sunday mornings? Celebrating your freedom by continuing to do what you've always done, only now blessed and baptised? Consider this...

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. ”
James 2:19 KJV

“22 And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, 24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last. ”
Luke 13:22-30

“12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. ”
Matthew 7:12-27 KJV

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The first covenant was broken through disobedience by Israel. As hard as they tried, they failed. God sent prophets and even His own Son, but Israel killed them all. They wanted to do things their own way. The sacrifices and temple services had become a ritualistic meaningless facade to cover gross hypocrisy and apostasy. But God's promises are sure, even though ours are like ropes of sand. Casting aside the poor ineffectual promises of man, God instituted a new covenant that excluded completely man's works, and made it clear that obedience is not only possible through His strength, for without Him nothing is impossible, and without Him we can do nothing, but also that obedience to His commandments does still affect our ultimate destiny, as Revelation is abundantly clear that those who do not obey His commandments are outside the gates of the kingdom.

Yes. The fault was in their promise to obey Him in everything. God didn't ask them to promise anything. It's all by faith... Even then.


The choice isn't between law and grace. It's between obedience or sin. Between righteousness or unrighteousness. Good and evil. How must I live? Then the choice is in how do I obey? Can I live a sanctified holy committed consecrated life in which I am truly loving God with all my heart, soul, mind and body, and loving my neighbor as myself? Can I? And the answer is a resounding yes! Because that is why Jesus came... To save the people from their sins. The question is how?
And the answer is through being fully converted, fully surrendered, having the mind of Christ and being sanctified by truth. We are predestined to become the image of Christ. That's our destiny, and it's available now. To live in full compliance and obedience to all God's commandments.
Who in Christianity comes under fire the most? Those who proclaim righteousness, or those who proclaim it doesn't matter?

KJV Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

You talking about 2 aspects of Gods dealing with us as his created beings.

1. Justification. We were guilty before a Holy and Righteous God, and without hope in a fallen world. God himself came and suffered the death of the cross to restore us. When we recieve his gift of grace. he replaces our unrighteousness with his sons righteousness. and no longer imputs our sin to us. As david said, blessed is the man to whome God will not impute sin.. But remember, As long as we are living, Our body is still dead. because we still sin.. we have not yet attained the perfect righteousness God demands,

Romans 8:10
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

2. Sanctification (also called christian growth) This is a lifetime process which begins at new birth and will end at our ressurection. It is accomplished by God who sanctifies us, But takes out cooperation, It will vary from day to day. month to month sometimes year to year. And it is done when we seek after the things of the spirit. and obey Gods command to love him and love others (the law of love)


the problem is far to many people want to make number 1 dependent on how far we get with number 2. Failing to realise that at no point in this lifetime will number two equal or surpass what God has given to us in number 1. Apart from number one. we would still be dead in sin.. and will spend eternity apart from Christ.

 

[PeterAndroz]

lol.. Yet they taught the same gospel.

In that case you can quote the exact verses that Peter teaches that matches exactly what Paul taught
Take your EG, no hurry LOL

 

[doctrox]

Does Grace replace the commandments spoken by Jesus?

and

Does Grace replace the law?

Even before Jesus came, there were those who "walked in all of the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless" (Luke 1:5-6). But this has nothing to do with the New Testament believer. For we are not under law but under grace (Rom. 6:14). "Where there is no law there is no transgression" (Rom. 4:15).

When we continue to define sin by the law, we show that we are believing in the wrong covenant, which is why John defines sin as unbelief, not behavior (1 John 3:6-9). He was teaching Israelites, who only understood sin as bad behavior, how to live in the New Testament by saying the man who is born of God does not commit sin for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9)

So sin in the New Testament is not believing in and knowing Jesus, and has nothing to do with law keeping. This is why Jesus said that when the Holy Spirit comes, the only sin he will reprove the world of is the sin of "They believe not on me." (John 16:8)

 

[Brakelite]

and

Even before Jesus came, there were those who "walked in all of the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless" (Luke 1:5-6). But this has nothing to do with the New Testament believer. For we are not under law but under grace (Rom. 6:14). "Where there is no law there is no transgression" (Rom. 4:15).

When we continue to define sin by the law, we show that we are believing in the wrong covenant, which is why John defines sin as unbelief, not behavior (1 John 3:6-9). He was teaching Israelites, who only understood sin as bad behavior, how to live in the New Testament by saying the man who is born of God does not commit sin for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9)

So sin in the New Testament is not believing in and knowing Jesus, and has nothing to do with law keeping. This is why Jesus said that when the Holy Spirit comes, the only sin he will reprove the world of is the sin of "They believe not on me." (John 16:8)

I believe you could revise the above somewhat.

“3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. ”
Philippians 3:3-6 KJV
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Paul, when comparing himself with the righteous letter of the law, considered himself blameless. This is common with many. They don't steal, they have lived with their one wife since marriage, they wouldn't dream of hurting anyone and speak the truth always. However, that same law, when considered in the light of the true depth and how it touches and exposes the heart...

“7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. ”
Romans 7:7-12 KJV

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[Brakelite]

When we continue to define sin by the law, we show that we are believing in the wrong covenant, which is why John defines sin as unbelief, not behavior (1 John 3:6-9).

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. ”
1 John 3:4 KJV

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[LoveYeshua]

and

Even before Jesus came, there were those who "walked in all of the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless" (Luke 1:5-6). But this has nothing to do with the New Testament believer. For we are not under law but under grace (Rom. 6:14). "Where there is no law there is no transgression" (Rom. 4:15).

When we continue to define sin by the law, we show that we are believing in the wrong covenant, which is why John defines sin as unbelief, not behavior (1 John 3:6-9). He was teaching Israelites, who only understood sin as bad behavior, how to live in the New Testament by saying the man who is born of God does not commit sin for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9)

So sin in the New Testament is not believing in and knowing Jesus, and has nothing to do with law keeping. This is why Jesus said that when the Holy Spirit comes, the only sin he will reprove the world of is the sin of "They believe not on me." (John 16:8)

Paul's statements about the law must be read together. He explicitly describes God's law and commandments as good:

"So that the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good." (Romans 7:12, ASV)

"But if what I would not, that I do, I consent unto the law that it is good." (Romans 7:16, ASV)

"For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:" (Romans 7:22, ASV)

"Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31, ASV)

Paul therefore affirms that the law is holy, righteous, good, and established. At the same time, Paul teaches that believers are no longer under the Mosaic Law as a covenant for justification:

"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God." (Romans 7:4, ASV)

"But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6, ASV). ==>> New Covenant

"Ye are severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace." (Galatians 5:4, ASV)

The context shows that Paul is speaking about the Mosaic covenant and justification through it. As an example, he specifically and rightfully refers to circumcision:

"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that, if ye receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing. Yea, I testify again to every man that receiveth circumcision, that he is a debtor to do the whole law." (Galatians 5:2–3, ASV)

Paul then explains how believers are justified:
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him." (Romans 5:9, ASV)

"Yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law; because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." (Galatians 2:16, ASV)

Paul explicitly says that the law is holy, the commandment is holy, righteous, and good, that he delights in the law of God, and that faith does not make the law void but establishes it. He also explicitly says that believers are not justified by the works of the law, but are justified by the blood of Christ through faith in Him.

Therefore, according to Paul's own words, the commandments are holy, righteous, and good, while justification comes through Christ's sacrifice rather than through the Mosaic Law as a means of justification.

Paul further teaches that, "he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law" and that "love therefore is the fulfilment of the law" (Romans 13:8,10, ASV). Christ not only opened the way through His sacrifice, but also demonstrated the true intent of God's commandments through perfect love, mercy, and obedience.

In the end, Paul's message is consistent: God's commandments are holy, righteous, and good; salvation and justification come through Christ; and the life that fulfills God's law is a life transformed by faith and expressed through love.

God is love.

 

[PS95]

Paul's statements about the law must be read together. He explicitly describes God's law and commandments as good:

"So that the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good." (Romans 7:12, ASV)

"But if what I would not, that I do, I consent unto the law that it is good." (Romans 7:16, ASV)

"For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:" (Romans 7:22, ASV)

"Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid: nay, we establish the law." (Romans 3:31, ASV)

Paul therefore affirms that the law is holy, righteous, good, and established. At the same time, Paul teaches that believers are no longer under the Mosaic Law as a covenant for justification:

"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ; that ye should be joined to another, even to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit unto God." (Romans 7:4, ASV)

"But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter." (Romans 7:6, ASV). ==>> New Covenant

"Ye are severed from Christ, ye who would be justified by the law; ye are fallen away from grace." (Galatians 5:4, ASV)

The context shows that Paul is speaking about the Mosaic covenant and justification through it. As an example, he specifically and rightfully refers to circumcision:

"Behold, I Paul say unto you, that, if ye receive circumcision, Christ will profit you nothing. Yea, I testify again to every man that receiveth circumcision, that he is a debtor to do the whole law." (Galatians 5:2–3, ASV)

Paul then explains how believers are justified:
"Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him." (Romans 5:9, ASV)

"Yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law; because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." (Galatians 2:16, ASV)

Paul explicitly says that the law is holy, the commandment is holy, righteous, and good, that he delights in the law of God, and that faith does not make the law void but establishes it. He also explicitly says that believers are not justified by the works of the law, but are justified by the blood of Christ through faith in Him.

Therefore, according to Paul's own words, the commandments are holy, righteous, and good, while justification comes through Christ's sacrifice rather than through the Mosaic Law as a means of justification.

Paul further teaches that, "he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law" and that "love therefore is the fulfilment of the law" (Romans 13:8,10, ASV). Christ not only opened the way through His sacrifice, but also demonstrated the true intent of God's commandments through perfect love, mercy, and obedience.

In the end, Paul's message is consistent: God's commandments are holy, righteous, and good; salvation and justification come through Christ; and the life that fulfills God's law is a life transformed by faith and expressed through love.

God is love.

LY- I am so happy to see that you now do accept Paul as an apostle of Jesus!!!

 

[LoveYeshua]

LY- I am so happy to see that you now do accept Paul as an apostle of Jesus!!!

i do but some people still twist his words we have to warn people against this. also I quote almost always Jesus as prople forget what he was teaching, they think only about the cross.

 

[PS95]

i do but some people still twsit his words we have to warn people against this.

ohhh yeah, do they ever...
Sadly, I find them incredibly difficult to reason with.
Keep up the good work!

 

[LoveYeshua]

ohhh yeah, do they ever...
Sadly, I find them incredibly difficult to reason with.
Keep up the good work!

difficult? almost impossible!

 

[ProDeo]

My understanding of the NT definition of the word "grace" in relationship with salvation :

Question to self - Would there have been "grace" without Jesus shed blood ?

Answer : no, no grace, no salvation, all lost.

Efez 2:8 For by grace [Jesus] you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing [Jesus]; it is the gift of God,
Efez 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Efez 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Grace (Jesus) -> faith -> saved -> works.

In that order.