Psalm 50:12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
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Yes God is ultimiate ruler, but has allowed Satan temproary control of the earth.
Yes God is ultimiate ruler, but has allowed Satan temproary control of the earth.
2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Luke 4
King James Version
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
Because evil still exists and is getting worse as time goes onWould you say Satan still has control today? If so why?
Hey friend,Because evil still exists and is getting worse as time goes on
You didn't ask me, but I would say: Yes, there is a mysterious propensity toward evil within all of us, but it alone cannot explain the magnitude of the evil in the world or the mysterious increase in intensity we are observing. No, evil does not exist "because of" Satan. Evil exists because beings with free will - including Satan - can exercise that free will to disobey God. We are human evil; Satan is supernatural evil. Why God allows supernatural evil to interact with and influence human affairs, greatly mulitplying the human evil, is a huge mystery. Explanations like a "war in heaven" strike me as cartoonish, but they are attempts to deal with this fundamental mystery. I can understand why some heretics - the Manicheans and others - posited two gods, one good and one evil, and a genuine war between them.Hey friend,
Did Adam and Eve not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Does Evil exist because of Satan? How would you connect it?
It’s a common response the one you give.
It’s the Law that causes a person to sin more isn’t it? When the Law was around, it seemed Satan was able to accuse of people to God, like Job for example. While you remarks consider Satan to be around, how do you explain him being around when, he has had his head crushed, done away with in the lake of fire and the former “arrangement within Israel” is made new from the new covenant, making a new “world” where Satan is not part of the picture.Can we explain the ghastly state of the world simply by human nature run amuck? Do we think the labor pains of evil we have seen increase in magnitude and intensity over the past 100 years can be explained solely in human terms? What the person and doctrine of Satan actually mean is yet another mystery, but I do believe it expresses some fundamental truth about supernaturally evil influences on human persons and events. So whether or not God allows Satan to "run the world," it certainly appears Satan is strong and extremely active. The late Dr. Michael Heiser (Unseen Realm) wrote extensively on the way the ancient Jews viewed the role of the demonic in the world: Dr. Michael Heiser - Biblical Scholar | Author | Semitic Languages Expert.
Looking at myself in the mirror. I know that I am evil… thoughts of my younger self and the desire to take out my mother come to mind. You learn from your parents, and you learn from observing others… the logical explanation for evil is that God allows for it to continue to exist by merit of my own choice of following through an action that correlates to evil : gossiping on others, downplaying them, etc… it comes from you, it comes from me, it comes from others - maybe not as much from those whom have Christ in them, and those with Christ in them, fail in their weaknesses. All of us have times of weakness we give in to.You didn't ask me, but I would say: Yes, there is a mysterious propensity toward evil within all of us, but it alone cannot explain the magnitude of the evil in the world or the
Because God created the tree of knowledge and good and evil.mysterious increase in intensity we are observing. No, evil does not exist "because of" Satan. Evil exists because beings with free will - including Satan - can exercise that free will to disobey God.
I don’t know perhaps it’s because of my faith in Jesus and his victory so much I don’t think on demons or Satan anymore. Satan can’t do anymore than what is allowed by Yahavah… and Yahavah promised to have his head bashed in. I do believe in spirits of the world that exist, and people can be idolaters and also worship other gods that is not the living God.We are human evil; Satan is supernatural evil.
I don’t think I believe this is still true today with the “world” being new and under the one whom sits in the throne of Heaven, the Lord God Almighty. Things can influence even going down the dark road of trying to talk to spirits with oujia boards etc… the more you influences your mind with “Satan and his demons are around” you are gonna tend believe it more than the victory which Jesus has had in defeating them…Why God allows supernatural evil to interact with and influence human affairs, greatly mulitplying the human evil, is a huge mystery.
Okay.Explanations like a "war in heaven" strike me as cartoonish, but they are attempts to deal with this fundamental mystery. I can understand why some heretics - the Manicheans and others - posited two gods, one good and one evil, and a genuine war between them.
I never allow the Bible to trump my actual human experience. Not a popular position here, I realize, but I cannot exist in the perpetual state of cognitive dissonance that many believers seem to embrace as though 'living in a state of cognitive dissonance" were proof of "real faith." My experience is that the magnitude and intensity of the evil in the world cannot be explained in human terms and demand a supernatural explanation, at least in part. In this instance, I see no disconnect with the Bible.Looking at myself in the mirror. I know that I am evil… thoughts of my younger self and the desire to take out my mother come to mind. You learn from your parents, and you learn from observing others… the logical explanation for evil is that God allows for it to continue to exist by merit of my own choice of following through an action that correlates to evil : gossiping on others, downplaying them, etc… it comes from you, it comes from me, it comes from others - maybe not as much from those whom have Christ in them, and those with Christ in them, fail in their weaknesses. All of us have times of weakness we give in to.
Because God created the tree of knowledge and good and evil.
I don’t know perhaps it’s because of my faith in Jesus and his victory so much I don’t think on demons or Satan anymore. Satan can’t do anymore than what is allowed by Yahavah… and Yahavah promised to have his head bashed in. I do believe in spirits of the world that exist, and people can be idolaters and also worship other gods that is not the living God.
I don’t think I believe this is still true today with the “world” being new and under the one whom sits in the throne of Heaven, the Lord God Almighty. Things can influence even going down the dark road of trying to talk to spirits with oujia boards etc… the more you influences your mind with “Satan and his demons are around” you are gonna tend believe it more than the victory which Jesus has had in defeating them…
A mind renewal is in need.
Okay.
Some would popularize this as “being in one’s feelings,” but hey people say Ghost are still lurking around… etc… I wouldn’t downplay your experience. All us have have had experiences from good to bad. From partaking in evil, like myself when I was a Satan worshiper. I worshipped myself over all else and considered myself, in a sense god. I was wrong about that.I never allow the Bible to trump my actual human experience.
I don’t even know what that means. All I know is the reader of the Bible must make the final choice what they believe about concerning it. Just like accepting Jesus and his return to a people whom were promised to see him, in that age.Not a popular position here, I realize, but I cannot exist in the perpetual state of cognitive dissonance that many believers seem to embrace as though 'living in a state of cognitive dissonance" were proof of "real faith."
I don’t believes it’s that mysterious to me. I’ve had experiences as well. You made no remarks in my openings up to you, and it seems you are not going to change your mind. When it comes down to evil. We are inherited by the nature of Adam and Eve which they received and you watch and see God destroy the people then, be it seen world wide or a basin.My experience is that the magnitude and intensity of the evil in the world cannot be explained in human terms and demand a supernatural explanation, at least in part.
It created a nature within Adam and Eve which they had sinned ran and hide naked knowing their shame - covering with fig leaves (covering oneself in religion.) From then on this nature continues to plague humankind in which eventually we end up dead.Whether interpreted literally or metaphorically, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil did not create evil.
Darkness that consumes one’s inner being. Sort of like that movie Neverending story. Satan chose to go with the darkness and leave his prior position.The possibility of evil arose when God created beings, including Satan, with free will.
I’m not sure what difference that makes to me personally.Satan's dominion of evil would have existed even if humans had never fallen.
They would have never died, I would suggest, but one of the kids down the line could have misheard their mother and fathers warning and went for it anyway. You know how children are.They simply would have remained in a state of innocence, obeying God's commands with no concept of good or evil.
I believe they would have been fully human, and they could have asked God how to procreate, they could have even went as far as to tell about the snake in the garden but “chose” not too.In my belief, they would have remained less than fully human, unable to grasp God's goodness or enjoy genuine communion with Him.
Yes he still is in temprary control. Jesus has not returned and he has not been abyssed yet so he is still the false god of this world. but he is on a leash.Would you say Satan still has control today? If so why?
Thank you for sharing your take, Ronald. Scary to think about.Yes he still is in temprary control. Jesus has not returned and he has not been abyssed yet so he is still the false god of this world. but he is on a leash.
no satan = no evil- until his rebellion against God evil was not in existence. Evil is a result being against the Light/ God. Sin brought forth evil-gave birth to its existence.Hey friend,
Did Adam and Eve not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Does Evil exist because of Satan? How would you connect it?
It’s a common response the one you give.
There seemed to be darkness that God was surrounded by before he said let there be light and separation was what he did between the light and darkness. Could Satan have been influence by this darkness that existed seemingly around God been what tempted even himself to fall? Just curious have you ever thought of it? Satan in turn would be in a representation of what the darkness entails. Such as exaltation, pride, haughty, etc… those are some things that reside in our heart annd aren’t from Satan directly or indirectly. The world is what tempts us which comes by our own lust. The darkness seemed to exist before anything else was made. I don’t know when.no satan = no evil- until his rebellion against God evil was not in existence.