Does the Bible identify "Babylon"?

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Your confession is good enough for God, so it's good enough for me. The point I also make is that in every great organization and house, there are vessels unto honor and dishonor.
100% agreed that there are wheat & tares in every set of pews, including yours & mine. That unfortunately is human nature.

False teaching of the leadership does not mean no wheat can grow among the tares. What you need to look at is the title of your book of Mormon and not the label on the door.

"The Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ"

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

I'm not suggesting you cease being with Mormons, but they do have hidden mysteries of doctrine not commonly preached that are definitely not Bible and true. It's the same with the JW's although their created christ stuff is pretty much front and center. If the time comes for the hidden secrets to be revealed with demand to believe them, then that's when you'd want to flee.
The idea of "sola scriptura" is a Protestant tenant. I'm not a Protestant nor a JW (whom likewise proclaim sola scriptura).

But if you're happy there then by all means stay where you are. We answer to God not one another. But if you ever get the distinct sense that all is not right in Mormon Denmark, then we must always choose conscience with Jesus over loyalty to man.

To you and your beliefs as well!
 

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The idea of "sola scriptura" is a Protestant tenant.
Sorry. It's the Bible truth. I'm not saying everyone that believes false tradition is unsaved, so long as it doesn't ruin our confession of Jesus as Lord and God, nor lead to ungodly living.

I'm not a Protestant nor a JW (whom likewise proclaim sola scriptura).
JW's are the same as you. They have their own testament written for themselves. They just don't put it on their book's cover. At least you're honest about it. They try to call it another translation only. JW's sneak into houses to proselytize with their own gospel. Mormons are much more up front about it.

To you and your beliefs as well!
Thank you, to you and your love of the Lord Jesus also.
 

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Nah, that old Reformation doctrine is bogus, the Protestant Reformers erred. They thought the pope was the final Antichrist and that the 'end' was about to happen in their day. It did NOT happen.

And now, a bunch of Judaizers crept into certain groups of Christ's Church still push that old Reformer's doctrines against the pope and the Roman Church because the Roman Church persecuted many of the Jews throughout European history also. So false Jews have taken up the baton of the old Reformers against today's Roman Church and the pope.

And before anyone says I must be a follower of the Roman Church, they would be wrong. I am a Protestant Christian, and my ancestors fled from France in the 16th century to the Americas because of persecutions by the Roman Church in France!

The reason why I am pointing out that old Protestant Reformation doctrine with thinking the pope is the Antichrist for the end, and that the apostate Roman Church is the symbolic Babylon of Revelation is this...

In Ezekiel 16, God used the idea of Jerusalem in rebellion against Him as being like a HARLOT. In Lamentations, it even says how Jerusalem had become a "widow" when Jerusalem was in a state of God's past destruction upon her. That is a DIRECT link to the Revelation 18:17 verse where the Babylon Harlot says she is "no widow"!

And God's two witnesses are sent to prophesy for 1260 days against the beast at ROME??? at New York??? at Brussels?? Nope! They will appear in JERUSALEM for the end of this world to prophesy against the beast, as written in Revelation 11.

Thus the REAL Babylon Harlot of Revelation is about JERUSALEM IN A STATE OF IDOL WORSHIP for the end, not Rome and a pope.

So don't allow the Judaizers that have crept into some Christian Churches today deceive you about the endtime Babylon Harlot. It is JERUSALEM that will become apostate when the orthodox Jews there accept the coming Antichrist ("dragon") as their Messiah, and those Jews startup old covenant worship again there. Their Messiah that comes first won't be no pope, nor any flesh man, but the devil himself, on earth, in plain sight. That is why Revelation reveals it is the "dragon" that the whole world will worship at the end, not a pope (except for Christ's elect)...

Rev 13:4-8
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And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

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And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV
Where you err is in the fact that Babylon the Great, the apostate system you speak of, is a global enterprise. You are keeping it local. Spiritual Israel, the true church, is global. Babylon, the spiritual apostate Christian entity, is also global. Also, the consensus with very few exceptions among the reformers, was that the Catholic system was Antichrist, not any individual Pope.
 

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Sorry. It's the Bible truth. I'm not saying everyone that believes false tradition is unsaved, so long as it doesn't ruin our confession of Jesus as Lord and God, nor lead to ungodly living.


JW's are the same as you. They have their own testament written for themselves. They just don't put it on their book's cover. At least you're honest about it. They try to call it another translation only. JW's sneak into houses to proselytize with their own gospel. Mormons are much more up front about it.


Thank you, to you and your love of the Lord Jesus also.
Christ is indeed king, the divine Son of God!
 

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You have a serious pride issue without knowledge and a ready tongue for blaspheming others. When you want to learn what I mean about anything you can ask. Politely. In the meantime I have no use for you.
Here's the problem, everyone is guessing, when God never leaves us clueless, especially in these last days, if we will put down our own ideas and pick up God's true meanings which are always in the scriptures, we just have to wrestle with Gd to get the answers, via much study and prayers. Sadly, all too many pick this bunk about the RCC or the Islamic Anti-Christ, or a REAL Babylon being rebuilt, when the bible says it will b e a dead city forever more. TBH, this is so east when we just let God tell us who Babylon the Great is. Also, NOTICE: every time Babylon has fallen is mentioned it jibes with the same time that Satan gets locked into the bottomless pit. Now, here goes, one verse, plus another backing it up tells us who God Almighty says Babylon is, nit Ron, not Don, not "Lonnie the Loon" from outer space (Smile).

Rev.16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake/Jesus lands), and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

OK, who does God says is this Babylon the Great? Well, He says its the Nations who fell at the 7th Vial (meaning those who were defeated by Jesus as he lands on the Mt of Olives then zooms over to Armageddon). So, who are these Nations? Well, the 6th Vial informs us who the are. We don't have to guess at all. The 6th Angel sounds and the Three Frog Spirits (Satan/Ant-Christ/False Prophet) entices the masses to go to Armageddon to fight God !! AND THEY ARE WHO ? Lets see !!


Rev. 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So, God stated the Nations who fell was Babylon the Great well who fell? The WHOLE WORLD under Satan's Dark Rule falls. Stand ye this day on this side or this side Moses once uttered !! The Rev. 18 destruction of Babylon the Great, that Great City, is a metaphor for the whole wicked world under Satan's rule. Its not ONE CITY, its not the RCC, or Islam. You see the Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time, she is conjoined with the Gov. Beasts (rides its back) until the Last Beast and his 10 Kings (E.U.) ho kill her off but why? Because there is no other room for any gods but the Anti-Christ as far as he is concerned, he will demand to be worshiped as the only god. He will thus kill of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jupiter and Zeus worship et. al. But God will judge the World for 1260 days and will destroy Babylon when Jesus returns.

Osccam's Razor at work here.
 

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Here's the problem, everyone is guessing, when God never leaves us clueless, especially in these last days, if we will put down our own ideas and pick up God's true meanings which are always in the scriptures, we just have to wrestle with Gd to get the answers, via much study and prayers. Sadly, all too many pick this bunk about the RCC or the Islamic Anti-Christ, or a REAL Babylon being rebuilt, when the bible says it will b e a dead city forever more. TBH, this is so east when we just let God tell us who Babylon the Great is.
I have no problem with personal inspiration and revelation of God, so long as the Bible then supports it by the same One that wrote it. We Christians can get personally inspired by God and we are free to do whatever we want with it, but if we're going to teach it, then I ask where does the Bible say that.


Also, NOTICE: every time Babylon has fallen is mentioned it jibes with the same time that Satan gets locked into the bottomless pit.
The only thing the Bible says at the same time as Satan locked up is the first resurrection of the saints and ruling with the Lord over the nations.

Now, here goes, one verse, plus another backing it up tells us who God Almighty says Babylon is, nit Ron, not Don, not "Lonnie the Loon" from outer space (Smile).

Rev.16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake/Jesus lands), and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

OK, who does God says is this Babylon the Great? Well, He says its the Nations who fell at the 7th Vial (meaning those who were defeated by Jesus as he lands on the Mt of Olives then zooms over to Armageddon). So, who are these Nations? Well, the 6th Vial informs us who the are. We don't have to guess at all. The 6th Angel sounds and the Three Frog Spirits (Satan/Ant-Christ/False Prophet) entices the masses to go to Armageddon to fight God !! AND THEY ARE WHO ? Lets see !!


Rev. 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So, God stated the Nations who fell was Babylon the Great well who fell?
I agree with your rejection of guess work and just take the words of the Bible meaning exactly what they say. Revelation is not about guess but about revealing. Babylon is fallen with her nations. Just as soon as she started having them gather to fight the Lamb at Armageddon, they were all lost to certain destruction. Just like when Pharaoh and his army first started downhill into the Red Sea bed.

I would say Babylon the Great is the false deceiving ministry of the beast and false prophet to all nations of the world.


The WHOLE WORLD under Satan's Dark Rule falls.
The gathered of the nations die at Armageddon and all nations will not be ruled by the Lord, so that they fall from their own rule. But all people on earth will not die. The whole world of man's own leadership will fall. That's what the promise of His coming to earth is all about. No more rule of sinful man on earth but of the Lord Himself over all the earth. Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

Stand ye this day on this side or this side Moses once uttered !! The Rev. 18 destruction of Babylon the Great, that Great City, is a metaphor for the whole wicked world under Satan's rule.
Not a metaphor but a very real destructive ministry. In rev 11 the great city is Jerusalem today before He reigns there.


Its not ONE CITY, its not the RCC, or Islam. You see the Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time,
Including the false Jews and Christian religions that only give lip service to the God of Israel and Jesus Christ.

Because there is no other room for any gods but the Anti-Christ as far as he is concerned, he will demand to be worshiped as the only god.
That's certainly true. No cult leader likes competition. Especially the last great one.


He will thus kill of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jupiter and Zeus worship et. al. But God will judge the World for 1260 days and will destroy Babylon when Jesus returns.

Osccam's Razor at work here.
It is simple truth of the bible record that those who rebel against God sin against their own souls and destroy themselves and anyone else stupid enough to follow them. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch. When we see an antichrist at work we just give him a wide berth. Just like Lucifer, so soon as the delusion enters the heart we're lost already. While the word was in the king's mouth, there fell a voice from heaven, saying, O king Nebuchadnezzar, to thee it is spoken; The kingdom is departed from thee.
 

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Nah, that old Reformation doctrine is bogus, the Protestant Reformers erred. They thought the pope was the final Antichrist and that the 'end' was about to happen in their day. It did NOT happen.

And now, a bunch of Judaizers crept into certain groups of Christ's Church still push that old Reformer's doctrines against the pope and the Roman Church because the Roman Church persecuted many of the Jews throughout European history also. So false Jews have taken up the baton of the old Reformers against today's Roman Church and the pope.

And before anyone says I must be a follower of the Roman Church, they would be wrong. I am a Protestant Christian, and my ancestors fled from France in the 16th century to the Americas because of persecutions by the Roman Church in France!

The reason why I am pointing out that old Protestant Reformation doctrine with thinking the pope is the Antichrist for the end, and that the apostate Roman Church is the symbolic Babylon of Revelation is this...

In Ezekiel 16, God used the idea of Jerusalem in rebellion against Him as being like a HARLOT. In Lamentations, it even says how Jerusalem had become a "widow" when Jerusalem was in a state of God's past destruction upon her. That is a DIRECT link to the Revelation 18:17 verse where the Babylon Harlot says she is "no widow"!

And God's two witnesses are sent to prophesy for 1260 days against the beast at ROME??? at New York??? at Brussels?? Nope! They will appear in JERUSALEM for the end of this world to prophesy against the beast, as written in Revelation 11.

Thus the REAL Babylon Harlot of Revelation is about JERUSALEM IN A STATE OF IDOL WORSHIP for the end, not Rome and a pope.

So don't allow the Judaizers that have crept into some Christian Churches today deceive you about the endtime Babylon Harlot. It is JERUSALEM that will become apostate when the orthodox Jews there accept the coming Antichrist ("dragon") as their Messiah, and those Jews startup old covenant worship again there. Their Messiah that comes first won't be no pope, nor any flesh man, but the devil himself, on earth, in plain sight. That is why Revelation reveals it is the "dragon" that the whole world will worship at the end, not a pope (except for Christ's elect)...

Rev 13:4-8
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And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

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And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
KJV
No, only this polititical-religious entity has survived and is fulfilling the prophecy and will continue to the end when she will be destroyed right as Gods Word says.
 

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Here's the problem, everyone is guessing, when God never leaves us clueless, especially in these last days, if we will put down our own ideas and pick up God's true meanings which are always in the scriptures, we just have to wrestle with Gd to get the answers, via much study and prayers. Sadly, all too many pick this bunk about the RCC or the Islamic Anti-Christ, or a REAL Babylon being rebuilt, when the bible says it will b e a dead city forever more. TBH, this is so east when we just let God tell us who Babylon the Great is. Also, NOTICE: every time Babylon has fallen is mentioned it jibes with the same time that Satan gets locked into the bottomless pit. Now, here goes, one verse, plus another backing it up tells us who God Almighty says Babylon is, nit Ron, not Don, not "Lonnie the Loon" from outer space (Smile).

Rev.16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts(Jerusalem/Earthquake/Jesus lands), and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

OK, who does God says is this Babylon the Great? Well, He says its the Nations who fell at the 7th Vial (meaning those who were defeated by Jesus as he lands on the Mt of Olives then zooms over to Armageddon). So, who are these Nations? Well, the 6th Vial informs us who the are. We don't have to guess at all. The 6th Angel sounds and the Three Frog Spirits (Satan/Ant-Christ/False Prophet) entices the masses to go to Armageddon to fight God !! AND THEY ARE WHO ? Lets see !!


Rev. 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So, God stated the Nations who fell was Babylon the Great well who fell? The WHOLE WORLD under Satan's Dark Rule falls. Stand ye this day on this side or this side Moses once uttered !! The Rev. 18 destruction of Babylon the Great, that Great City, is a metaphor for the whole wicked world under Satan's rule. Its not ONE CITY, its not the RCC, or Islam. You see the Harlot is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time, she is conjoined with the Gov. Beasts (rides its back) until the Last Beast and his 10 Kings (E.U.) ho kill her off but why? Because there is no other room for any gods but the Anti-Christ as far as he is concerned, he will demand to be worshiped as the only god. He will thus kill of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jupiter and Zeus worship et. al. But God will judge the World for 1260 days and will destroy Babylon when Jesus returns.

Osccam's Razor at work here.
He tells us, its just we dont want to listen to the plain truth. We get it clearly, when Peter wrote, "The church that is in Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you" (1 Peter 5:13, KJV). In the Roman Catholic Douay Version of the Bible, the footnote to this verse says, ‘Babylon. Figuratively Rome.’ During the Protestant Reformation all leaders taught essentially the same, from Luther, in 1520, onward and they called for separation from Rome as this antichrist entity. We see the rise of the woman on the scarlet-colored beast which is Babylon, clearly the Papacy...

Revelation 17
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

When Pagan Rome fell, the rise of Papal Rome was more of a transition into a religious-political government and is woman riding a scarlet-colored beast, and continued for 1260 years. It received the wound in 1798 when Napoleons general took the Pope captive and destroyed its temporal power, and yet it was restored with the Lateran Treaty, also called Lateran Pact of 1929, and prophecy tells us the Roman Church moves on until end with the kings of the earth committing fornication with her.

Today we see the kings, and the world, looking more and more to the pope for guidance in national and religious affairs. It is this mixing of the two that allows the advance the church's authority and develops the fornication of the kings or world powers with the church.
We went over this question today, and the system with political and monetary side has not fallen although the religious and spiritual side is dead or dying for the most part, you can see it in the empty cathedrals and catholic churches. So the Revelation 14 part seems to be pretty much coming to a close...

Revelation 14
7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

But then you have the Revelation 18 part which seems to be more of the political and monetary side in which we still await its collapse..

Revelation 18
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

So this religious-political system is here to this day just as prophecy said it would be and soon will seeing its end and its destruction...
 

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He tells us, its just we dont want to listen to the plain truth. We get it clearly, when Peter wrote, "The church that is in Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you" (1 Peter 5:13, KJV). In the Roman Catholic Douay Version of the Bible, the footnote to this verse says, ‘Babylon. Figuratively Rome.’ During the Protestant Reformation all leaders taught essentially the same, from Luther, in 1520, onward and they called for separation from Rome as this antichrist entity. We see the rise of the woman on the scarlet-colored beast which is Babylon, clearly the Papacy...
You dodged what God's holy word said in Rev. 16:19 and put forth some definition that we already know. Of course the word Babylon was used instead of Rome or when speaking about Judging the whole world Babylon was used, because Rome saw themselves as the leaders of the world, thus if the world got Judged Rome got judged, so Babylon was inserted whenever Rome was spoken about. But I gave you a concise, clear and detailed verse that shows exactly whom God sees as Babylon, and you give me double speak, and dodged what God almighty stated, so is God fibbing to us? God said the Nations that fall are Babylon the Great, the Nations that fall equals the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD, this destroys the nonsensical RCC angle. I have been called into prophesy nigh 40 years, this RCC angle is amateurish and silly. It came from the cultist Herbert W. Armstrong and his cultist church.

Revelation 17
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
This isn't even about Babylon, this is about The Harlot (False Religion). Babylon is one of three descriptors.

Mystery is a Header, not a descriptor. The Descriptors describe who the Mystery/Harlot woman is.

MYSTERY
1.) Babylon the Great
(Babylon was a noted world wide center of FALSE RELIGION)

2.) Mother of Harlots (FALSE RELIGION was the original harlotry, thus the Mother moniker)

3.) Abominations of the Earth (God is a jealous God, thus anyone who worships gods via FALSE RELIGION is an Abomination unto God)

The Mystery is what is described unto us, the Harlot Woman is ALL FALSE RELIGION.

But then you have the Revelation 18 part which seems to be more of the political and monetary side in which we still await its collapse..
Rev. 18 is the Government Beasts the Harlot rides or was conjoined with, up until the Anti-Christ and his 10 kings decided to kill her off.

The Harlot (FALSE RELIGION) Woman RIDES the [Gov.] Beast(s).
 

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You dodged what God's holy word said in Rev. 16:19 and put forth some definition that we already know. Of course the word Babylon was used instead of Rome or when speaking about Judging the whole world Babylon was used, because Rome saw themselves as the leaders of the world, thus if the world got Judged Rome got judged, so Babylon was inserted whenever Rome was spoken about. But I gave you a concise, clear and detailed verse that shows exactly whom God sees as Babylon, and you give me double speak, and dodged what God almighty stated, so is God fibbing to us? God said the Nations that fall are Babylon the Great, the Nations that fall equals the Kings of the WHOLE WORLD, this destroys the nonsensical RCC angle. I have been called into prophesy nigh 40 years, this RCC angle is amateurish and silly. It came from the cultist Herbert W. Armstrong and his cultist church.


This isn't even about Babylon, this is about The Harlot (False Religion). Babylon is one of three descriptors.

Mystery is a Header, not a descriptor. The Descriptors describe who the Mystery/Harlot woman is.

MYSTERY
1.) Babylon the Great
(Babylon was a noted world wide center of FALSE RELIGION)

2.) Mother of Harlots (FALSE RELIGION was the original harlotry, thus the Mother moniker)

3.) Abominations of the Earth (God is a jealous God, thus anyone who worships gods via FALSE RELIGION is an Abomination unto God)

The Mystery is what is described unto us, the Harlot Woman is ALL FALSE RELIGION.


Rev. 18 is the Government Beasts the Harlot rides or was conjoined with, up until the Anti-Christ and his 10 kings decided to kill her off.

The Harlot (FALSE RELIGION) Woman RIDES the [Gov.] Beast(s).
"Babylon" is a cryptic name for Rome. the ancient pagan worship started at Babylon and got picked up and spread from Rome and the system is still in place. In Revelation 17:9 it is said that she sits on "seven mountains", which scholars have understood as the seven hills of Rome. Here is a good description...

"Most commentators believe that Revelation uses “Babylon” as a code word that can refer to the Rome of John’s day. “Like Babylon of old,” says Robert H. Mounce, Rome “had gained a worldwide reputation for luxury, corruption, and power” (The Book of Revelation, The New International Commentary on the New Testament, p. 310). Mounce then quotes Tacitus, who describes Rome as the place “where all the horrible and shameful things in the world congregate and find a home” (Tacitus, Annals. xv.44).

The Jewish apocalyptic writings of the time also use Babylon as a symbolic name for Rome. The Sibylline Oracles say that a star “will burn the deep sea and Babylon itself and the land of Italy, because of which many holy faithful Hebrews and a true people perished” (5.159-161). It calls Babylon the “city of the Latin land, unclean in all things” (5.168).

There is a good reason why the connection was made between the Babylonian and Roman Empires. Says Norman Perrin, “Rome is called Babylon because her forces, like those of Babylon at an earlier time, destroyed the temple and Jerusalem” (Jesus and the Language of the Kingdom, p. 58). The Babylonians had destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in the 580s B.C. and sent its people into captivity (2 Kings 25; Jeremiah 52). The Roman Empire did essentially the same thing in A.D. 66-70. Thus, Rome was Babylon all over again.

More than Rome​

Babylon the Great, however, stands for a world system more universal than that of the old Roman Empire. In the words of biblical scholar Robert W. Wall, she is: “The ‘global village’ of godless power, which determines daily life for every person at any time in human history” (Revelation, New International Biblical Commentary, p. 202)."... Who Is "Babylon"? - Grace Communion International
 

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Babylon the Great, however, stands for a world system more universal than that of the old Roman Empire. In the words of biblical scholar Robert W. Wall, she is: “The ‘global village’ of godless power, which determines daily life for every person at any time in human history” (Revelation, New International Biblical Commentary, p. 202)."... Who Is "Babylon"? - Grace Communion International


This is more correct than the rest. Babylon will be far powerful religiously speaking than Rome or the RCC ever dreamed of being.
 

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"Babylon" is a cryptic name for Rome.
Babel means CONFUSION, why does Babylon only fall when Jesus arrives? Satan gets locked into the pit for 1000 years. Satan so confuses mankind to the point where they try to fight against their own loving Creator, that is Babel or Babylon the Great at its zenith.

Babylon is simply Satan's Dark Rule over thus earth.

The RCC stuff is juvenile.
 

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Satan so confuses mankind to the point where they try to fight against their own loving Creator, that is Babel or Babylon the Great at its zenith.


I think it may be more that they fight in defense of their god because the Babylon confusion in the endtimes is releigious confusion ie: belief in a false god, a false christ and false global religion.
 
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Babel means CONFUSION, why does Babylon only fall when Jesus arrives? Satan gets locked into the pit for 1000 years. Satan so confuses mankind to the point where they try to fight against their own loving Creator, that is Babel or Babylon the Great at its zenith.

Babylon is simply Satan's Dark Rule over thus earth.

The RCC stuff is juvenile.
Well, who else has continued since the fall of the Roman Empire, only the Roman Catholic Church which has not let go of it pagan rites and rituals or system of worship, but entrenched into it even more. Now if you want to look at most Bible scholars or historical ones, they all agree it fits in the time line and the religious and temporal power and the location. Rome is situated on seven hills which is a dead giveaway.. Seven Hills of Rome | Italy What does Revelation 17:9 mean? | BibleRef.com

The Seven Hills of Rome (Italian: Sette colli di Roma, Latin:Septem montes Romae) east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome , within the walls of the ancient city.

The seven hills are:

• Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)

• Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)

• Capitoline Hill (Capitolium, Campidoglio)

• Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)

• Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)

• Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)

• Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
 

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Well, who else has continued since the fall of the Roman Empire, only the Roman Catholic Church which has not let go of it pagan rites and rituals or system of worship, but entrenched into it even more. Now if you want to look at most Bible scholars or historical ones, they all agree it fits in the time line and the religious and temporal power and the location. Rome is situated on seven hills which is a dead giveaway.. Seven Hills of Rome | Italy What does Revelation 17:9 mean? | BibleRef.com

The Seven Hills of Rome (Italian: Sette colli di Roma, Latin:Septem montes Romae) east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome , within the walls of the ancient city.

The seven hills are:

• Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)

• Caelian Hill (Caelius, Celio)

• Capitoline Hill (Capitolium, Campidoglio)

• Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)

• Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)

• Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)

• Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)

Rome has at least ten hills:

Aventine Hill (Latin, Aventinus; Italian, Aventino)
Caelian Hill (Cælius, Celio)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus, Campidoglio)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus, Esquilino)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus, Palatino)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis, Quirinale)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis, Viminale)
Vatican Hill (Latin Collis Vaticanus)
Pincian Hill (Latin Mons Pincius)
Janiculum Hill (Latin Ianiculum)
 

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Does the Bible identify "Babylon"?​

OP ^

Yes. Rev 17.

It is World “kingdoms”, that exact authority over the people, of all nations, that are in “league” of agreement, and one “king” ultimately over them all.

Something to ponder...
Seven hills.
Seven continents.
League of Nations...established 1920, following WW1
...smaller leagues still exist...such as League of Arab Nations...European Union.
The League of Nations...did not have all Nations as members.
....disputes among Nations continued
....The League of Nations was disassembled
....A new “league” was established with a new “name”.... United Nations.
Their ‘motto’ / “mission”...world peace keeping and security
...:rolleyes:

The US did not join the League of Nations...Woodrow Wilson urged the US to Join. US senators would not relent, under the basis the US would continually be in a war, for other nations.

1946, following WW11, “diplomats again huddled at their round table”...and established the subsequent: United Nations....another doozy.....Harry Truman urged the US to join.

Since the end of WW11, not one nation has declared War on the US.
Since 1945....
Over 12 MILLION Americans have died battling in other nations Wars, American Lives....and at the expense of the American taxpayer....which BTW, your representatives VOTE every TWO years to continue funding wars.

Now what does this all have to do with the Whore of Babylon?
The world’s countries is; 196
The UN...nations membership is: 193
Vatican City, Taiwan & Palestine are not members, but have observance rights to attend their meetings.

The Economic Forum, “Great-set”, One world ‘’Order”, The UN members...(ie “kings” of the worlds nations...are all in agreement...
The UN members, “rotate” taking turns, voting each year, other in as “sitting” Presidents...

Peace keeping is running afoul.
Hunger continues.
Drugs, Mental despair, Poor, Crime, running amuck.
....Too MANY PEOPLE....
....Too MANY PEOPLE....
....The World Population is exponentially Increasing....
wars, conflicts, famines, genocide, accidents, old age, murders, suicides, abortions, drugs, diseases are JUST NOT KILLING enough to down size the world’s population!!

Technology has been an Ace in the hole for “THEM”....and “THEM” are “THEY” who have had Long routine discussions ABOUT the World’s Population.
“THEY” have an “AGENDA”....
1) Peace, Safety, Plenty of food, Happiness, Everyone Equal, (get a visual of the 1960’s hippies freely dancing around, owning nothing, surrounded by flowers everywhere, high as a kite, and happy)....
2) Except that....void the flowers, and every able body, THEY do not have on the “downsizing” AGENDA WILL Work the Work THEY Decide.

The ONE WORLD ORDER is already here.
As quick as the “league of nations” was disassembled and all property and assets, handed over to the newly established United Nations....
So also shall the United Nations, do the same....and their “king” over all the Nations, shall be satan.

Don’t be naive. Peace and Safety ? They Orchestrate the wars. The “pseudo kings” do not die. The people die! The Drugs? The Cancers? The Pandemic? The Fear? The Vax?
All planned Agendas. THEY are the Disease, the Cancer, the Whore...while cleverly announcing, THEY are the Solution, Cure, and ONLY need your wealth to secure the Solution and Cure.

When Jesus said...come out of her...He was talking about a Wicked and Evil World System of Nations.

Rev 18:
[1] And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
[3] For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
 

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In Hebrew, whether its the tower, the city, the empire, and its meaning in prophecy down to the close of human history and Christs return, are all the same Hebrew word babel , Babylon. Babel is Babylon and Babel is confusion.

The name Babylon is derived from BAB-ILU which was “gate of the gods” or "the portal of the gods", and in a sense it thus portrays a means of access to the gods that is contrary to God's prescribed plan of salvation. Access is granted through the system and not by faith in Jesus Christ. It is a system where salvation by works replaces salvation by faith and the Protestant Reformers realized it and the system behind it.

The Babylonian system of worship has ever been a snare to God's people, as it is more in tune with human nature to rely on salvation by works than on salvation by grace. From the very beginning, these two systems of worship have been in confrontation with each other. The story of Cain and Abel illustrates this point. Abel listened to the divine directive and brought a lamb without blemish as an offering, but Cain brought the fruits of his labor. When the offering of Abel was accepted by God, the anger of Cain was aroused and ever since, this first confrontation between these two systems of worship, has been in conflict on this planet.

Ancient Babylon serves as a type of a much greater end-time confederacy of religious apostasy and intolerance that would seek to control conscience before the close of earth's history, and yet it will meet its end. We see in Revelation 14:8...
"And there followed another angel saying, 'Babylon is fallen is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.'" Revelation 14:8

The Bible warns against Babylon, and urge God's people to come out of Babylon, and we see it also reflecting the spiritual decay of the system...

"And he cried mightily with a strong voice saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird." Revelation 18:2

The unclean and hateful birds appears to reference a counterfeit Holy Spirit that would power the system and lead people to believe that they are working with the power of God when it is a deception masquerading as truth. In verse 4, we see it with a warning..

"Come out of her My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Revelation 18:4

God would not urge His people to come out of Babylon if it were impossible for them to identify Babylon. During the early Christian centuries, Jewish and Christian literature referred to the city of Rome as Babylon. 1 Peter 5:13 also refers to Rome as Babylon, as Peter wrote these words whilst in Rome, and literal Babylon no longer existed....

"The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son." 1 Peter 5:13

In Revelation 17, John is invited to witness the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters, seductively deceiving the inhabitants of the earth. This woman is subsequently identified as “ ‘Babylon the great, the mother of harlots’ ”. In the scriptures, a prostitute symbolically refers to God’s people in their apostasy. The portrayal of the prostitute in Revelation 17 shows that she represents an entity that was once faithful to God before aligning herself with the end-time opponent of God and His faithful remnant. Babylon is thus a corporate name for an end-time apostate entity.

The Protestants of the Reformation knew who it was and referred to it as spiritual Babylon, the antichrist entity and enemy of God's people. The woman that rides the beast in Revelation 17 also has all the identifying features which make it easier to find...

"1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." Revelation 17:1-2.

The woman is first referenced to as sitting on “many waters” and according to Revelation 17:5, the waters upon which the prostitute was seen symbolize the civil, secular, and political powers of the world. Just as the ancient Babylon depended on the Euphrates River for its existence, so will the end-time Babylon depend on the civil, secular, and political powers of the world to enforce its plans and purposes.

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: and upon her forehead was a name written: Mystery, Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth." Revelation 17:4-5.

In the Bible the symbol of a woman represents the church. Isaiah the prophet extends the symbol of a woman to that of a bride. The pure bride represents the pure church..

"As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee." Isaiah 62:5.

We find in the New Testament the same symbolism is employed...

"...for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:2.

Babylon is described in Revelation 17:5 as the "mother of harlots" an apostate religious systems or church, "Mystery" and the "abominations of the earth". Obviously if God's people are the chaste woman faithful to her husband, then Babylon is the opposite of this symbol or that system of worship which is unfaithful to God, and has a mystery religion and teaches and practices abominations.

Its not hard to figure out who persecuted the saints, and brought in the paganism and abominable practices into the church...
I didn't read all the replies but I stand w/ the ones that believe America is Mystery Babylon. As of this time no other nation comes close and no it's not some sort of evil religious system Btw, in the bible a woman symbolizes Israel. There is a reason why Paul worded it that way and that's because he is using the metaphor of marriage to describe the unity we have in Christ and each other and to being subject to "one" God and not dozens which was the norm back in Paul's day in Corinth.
 

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I totally agree that your confession is good enough for God, and that's all that matters. But, when it comes to the Bible and Babylon, it's fascinating to dive into and see what different interpretations and beliefs exist. On the topic of religion and its denominations, have you checked out the difference between Amish and Mennonite? It's interesting to see the similarities and differences between different sects within a religion. And while we're on the topic, you might also want to check out the difference between Catholic and Lutheran - it'll give you a better understanding of the diversity within Christianity. You can find the article here Difference Between Catholic and Lutheran. Hope you find this helpful and informative.
 
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I didn't read all the replies but I stand w/ the ones that believe America is Mystery Babylon.


Babylon isn't one single country. It isn't a country at all. It's a global religion with confused/babylon people will be the majority population of all countries.
 

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Babylon isn't one single country. It isn't a country at all. It's a global religion with confused/babylon people will be the majority population of all countries.
That sounds better than just being America. "God bless America, land that I love!!"

BTW America is not what we want to take back from Democrats, but America is what we want back again from the death of being ruled by Democrats. What Democrats have under their thumb is not America nor American, but just more socialist degeneracy and failure.