Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?
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Another perversion and yet one more perverter of the Word of God.
The death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilling it, confirmed once for all the truth of everything what "GOD THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY SPAKE, that: GOD INDEED THE DAY the Seventh Day from ALL, HIS, WORKS, RESTED". The death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilling and confirming THIS, <changed everything>: changed everything "concerning the Seventh Day" from unfulfilled promise and prophesy to fulfilled and confirmed and forevermore made fast truth. Everything concerning true believers' Day of worship-rest changed because of the <death and resurrection of Jesus>! Everything about and of and belonging to and pertaining to the "DAY God concerning spake", changed as "God, spake, concerning the Seventh Day .. BY THE SON .. in these last days", as God concerning no other day ever "spake"!
Therefore where and when it is WRITTEN: "Today when you hear the Voice of God speaking to you", it is written "THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY" so that God in Christ Jesus changed his "Holy Day" by, as the Lord of the Sabbath Day having been raised from the dead, the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD changed to the Lord's Day of Resurrection and triumph over death and grave--- for which CHANGE Jesus died and was buried and rose from the dead again ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.
As Jesus received Title and Lordship of “Lord and Christ” having been raised from the dead, so the Day of his creating which He resurrected on, from the glory in the face of Jesus also received glory and title of “The Lord’s Day” and was "honoured", "blessed", and "hallowed the Sabbath of the LORD THY GOD".(“Thy” Pronoun for Jesus.)
And that, is the <New Covenant Sabbath>
— “the Seventh Day God thus .. by the Son in these last days .. spake”
— ‘Sabbatohn’ / ‘Sabbatou’
— first time ever and for ever after, the Greek of the New Testament
— “the day the Seventh Day-of-the-week-SABBATH of the LORD GOD”
— it’s a, day of the week, it's the, Day of Crisis and Judgement, it is "Today, if you will hear his voice”!
There is no <Old Covenant> of God as there is no old sabbath of the LORD. God’s Covenant as the Rest of God is like He is Eternal and One. The Sabbath of the Lord God is every bit a type and figure that foreshadowed The Eternal God become God in Christ, who was God with us in the flesh and in the time of His Own creating. To speak of an old covenant sabbath is to speak ineffable nonsense, and to speak of a sabbath day as God’s Rest is unspeakable blasphemy. And to say <<God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the seventh day he rested, not because he was weary, but because the work was finished>> is plain contradiction.
Re: <<Today, this day if we are so blessed as to hear his voice, we can put or faith in Jesus and enter into the New Covenant Sabbath and rest in the finished work of Jesus to forever reconcile us with God.>>
<<if we are .. we can put our faith .. we can enter .. we rest>> …when does God get his turn to “finish his, own, work” that reconciled us with Him forever, the Resurrection of Christ from the dead “ON THE SABBATH”?
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quietthinker
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do you read them Helen?Y A W N...
oh no...not ANOTHER thread on this...there have been so many...and some still going ...Nothing new, same ol' same ol' arguments ...
quietthinker
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Some olg foggies may live in the past, but most christians cant get past Pentecost. What is it they are missing....
NAh not very entertaining
Seldom that we, in the end, arrive at the same conclusion.
Nevertheless, the conclusion we reached I do not reach from what you reached it. Definitely not from the Dative 'tehi Miai'. But from the Genitive "tohn", "tohn Sabbatohn", yes, it's obvious the disciples "on the First Day FROM [or your word, <after>] the Sabbath Day--"Sabbatohn", "were still assembling together after they before were assembling together" 'sunehgmenohn' being the Greek Perfect Aspect of Tense.
NOT to be <<disregarded>> for sure!
Now this post disappeared from this thread of this forum in less than a few hours. Incognito, show some guts even it is not Christian guts!
Pilgrimer said: ↑
Hobie said: ↑
So is there any chance the resurrection somehow cause a change to the day of worship? ... So does the resurrection change the day of the Sabbath ..."
Pilgrimer,
Yes. Absolutely! The death and resurrection of Jesus changed everything. The New Covenant Sabbath isn't a day of the week, it's the Day of Salvation, it is "Today, if you will hear his voice" and through faith "enter his rest," as Paul explains in Hebrews 4. The Sabbath of the Old Covenant was every bit as much a type and figure that foreshadowed something better and more eternal as the temple and the sacrifices were. God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the seventh day he rested, not because he was weary, but because the work was finished. So too, Jesus, having been obedient to the Father even unto death by which he has forever reconciled us with the Father, with his last breath said "it is finished," commended his spirit to God, and died.
Today, this day if we are so blessed as to hear his voice, we can put or faith in Jesus and enter into the New Covenant Sabbath and rest in the finished work of Jesus to forever reconcile us with God.
In Christ,
Pilgimer
Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?
Another perversion and yet one more perverter of the Word of God.
The death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilling it, confirmed once for all the truth of everything what "GOD THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY SPAKE, that: GOD INDEED THE DAY the Seventh Day from ALL, HIS, WORKS, RESTED". The death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilling and confirming THIS, <changed everything>: changed everything "concerning the Seventh Day" from unfulfilled promise and prophesy to fulfilled and confirmed and forevermore made fast truth. Everything concerning true believers' Day of worship-rest changed because of the <death and resurrection of Jesus>! Everything about and of and belonging to and pertaining to the "DAY God concerning spake", changed as "God, spake, concerning the Seventh Day .. BY THE SON .. in these last days", as God concerning no other day ever "spake"!
Therefore where and when it is WRITTEN: "Today when you hear the Voice of God speaking to you", it is written "THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY" so that God in Christ Jesus changed his "Holy Day" by, as the Lord of the Sabbath Day having been raised from the dead, the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD changed to the Lord's Day of Resurrection and triumph over death and grave--- for which CHANGE Jesus died and was buried and rose from the dead again ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.
As Jesus received Title and Lordship of “Lord and Christ” having been raised from the dead, so the Day of his creating which He resurrected on, from the glory in the face of Jesus also received glory and title of “The Lord’s Day” and was "honoured", "blessed", and "hallowed the Sabbath of the LORD THY GOD".(“Thy” Pronoun for Jesus.)
And that, is the <New Covenant Sabbath>
— “the Seventh Day God thus .. by the Son in these last days .. spake”
— ‘Sabbatohn’ / ‘Sabbatou’
— first time ever and for ever after, the Greek of the New Testament
— “the day the Seventh Day-of-the-week-SABBATH of the LORD GOD”
— it’s a, day of the week, it's the, Day of Crisis and Judgment, it is "Today, if you will hear his voice”!
There is no <Old Covenant> of God as there is no old sabbath of the LORD. God’s Covenant as the Rest of God is like He is Eternal and One. The Sabbath of the Lord God is every bit a type and figure that foreshadowed The Eternal God become God in Christ, who was God with us in the flesh and in the time of His Own creating. To speak of an old covenant sabbath is to speak ineffable nonsense, and to speak of a sabbath day as God’s Rest is unspeakable blasphemy. And to say <<God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the seventh day he rested, not because he was weary, but because the work was finished>> is plain contradiction.
Re: <<Today, this day if we are so blessed as to hear his voice, we can put or faith in Jesus and enter into the New Covenant Sabbath and rest in the finished work of Jesus to forever reconcile us with God.>>
<<if we are .. we can put our faith .. we can enter .. we rest>> …when does God get his turn to “finish his, own, work” that reconciled us with Him forever, the Resurrection of Christ from the dead “ON THE SABBATH”?
Pilgrimer said: ↑
Hobie said: ↑
So is there any chance the resurrection somehow cause a change to the day of worship? ... So does the resurrection change the day of the Sabbath ..."
Pilgrimer,
Yes. Absolutely! The death and resurrection of Jesus changed everything. The New Covenant Sabbath isn't a day of the week, it's the Day of Salvation, it is "Today, if you will hear his voice" and through faith "enter his rest," as Paul explains in Hebrews 4. The Sabbath of the Old Covenant was every bit as much a type and figure that foreshadowed something better and more eternal as the temple and the sacrifices were. God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the seventh day he rested, not because he was weary, but because the work was finished. So too, Jesus, having been obedient to the Father even unto death by which he has forever reconciled us with the Father, with his last breath said "it is finished," commended his spirit to God, and died.
Today, this day if we are so blessed as to hear his voice, we can put or faith in Jesus and enter into the New Covenant Sabbath and rest in the finished work of Jesus to forever reconcile us with God.
In Christ,
Pilgimer
Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?
Another perversion and yet one more perverter of the Word of God.
The death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilling it, confirmed once for all the truth of everything what "GOD THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY SPAKE, that: GOD INDEED THE DAY the Seventh Day from ALL, HIS, WORKS, RESTED". The death and resurrection of Jesus fulfilling and confirming THIS, <changed everything>: changed everything "concerning the Seventh Day" from unfulfilled promise and prophesy to fulfilled and confirmed and forevermore made fast truth. Everything concerning true believers' Day of worship-rest changed because of the <death and resurrection of Jesus>! Everything about and of and belonging to and pertaining to the "DAY God concerning spake", changed as "God, spake, concerning the Seventh Day .. BY THE SON .. in these last days", as God concerning no other day ever "spake"!
Therefore where and when it is WRITTEN: "Today when you hear the Voice of God speaking to you", it is written "THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY" so that God in Christ Jesus changed his "Holy Day" by, as the Lord of the Sabbath Day having been raised from the dead, the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD changed to the Lord's Day of Resurrection and triumph over death and grave--- for which CHANGE Jesus died and was buried and rose from the dead again ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES.
As Jesus received Title and Lordship of “Lord and Christ” having been raised from the dead, so the Day of his creating which He resurrected on, from the glory in the face of Jesus also received glory and title of “The Lord’s Day” and was "honoured", "blessed", and "hallowed the Sabbath of the LORD THY GOD".(“Thy” Pronoun for Jesus.)
And that, is the <New Covenant Sabbath>
— “the Seventh Day God thus .. by the Son in these last days .. spake”
— ‘Sabbatohn’ / ‘Sabbatou’
— first time ever and for ever after, the Greek of the New Testament
— “the day the Seventh Day-of-the-week-SABBATH of the LORD GOD”
— it’s a, day of the week, it's the, Day of Crisis and Judgment, it is "Today, if you will hear his voice”!
There is no <Old Covenant> of God as there is no old sabbath of the LORD. God’s Covenant as the Rest of God is like He is Eternal and One. The Sabbath of the Lord God is every bit a type and figure that foreshadowed The Eternal God become God in Christ, who was God with us in the flesh and in the time of His Own creating. To speak of an old covenant sabbath is to speak ineffable nonsense, and to speak of a sabbath day as God’s Rest is unspeakable blasphemy. And to say <<God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the seventh day he rested, not because he was weary, but because the work was finished>> is plain contradiction.
Re: <<Today, this day if we are so blessed as to hear his voice, we can put or faith in Jesus and enter into the New Covenant Sabbath and rest in the finished work of Jesus to forever reconcile us with God.>>
<<if we are .. we can put our faith .. we can enter .. we rest>> …when does God get his turn to “finish his, own, work” that reconciled us with Him forever, the Resurrection of Christ from the dead “ON THE SABBATH”?
Just as I said.... Call themselves "christians" than run to the world when there idols get trampled on.
Out of a mans heart, it says..... that is what corrupts.
And what do you think the Roman Catholic Church did....it was the same thing..
Where Did the Seven Sacraments Come From?
The Mystery of the Eucharist
The Meaning of Rosary Beads
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https://www.history.com/topics/holidays/samhain
It just goes on and on but this one was interesting...
"The fertile ground for the decline of Christian influence and the return of paganism was actually prepared during the early centuries of Christianity. As the Church grew and spread throughout the Mediterranean world, it encountered many pagan ideas and practices that some did not discard, but rather adopted and absorbed into their doctrine. These customs were popular, and apostate church leaders reasoned that incorporating them would make it easier for pagans to convert to this new religion. The biblical Sabbath observed by Jesus, the apostles, and early Christians (Luke 4:16; Acts 13:14, 42–44; 17:1–2) was abandoned in favor of Sunday, a day already acknowledged by pagans who, like Emperor Constantine, worshipped the sun. The popular winter festival of the Saturnalia—a time of gambling, merry-making, and social role-reversal—was renamed “Christmas” and observed as Jesus’ birthday, despite the total lack of biblical support for the major deviation from original Christian practice that the festival represented. (See Gerald E. Weston’s article “Does Christmas Matter?,” on page 18 of this issue.) The pagan springtime fertility festivals with eggs, rabbits, and sexually-oriented activities honoring Aphrodite and Ishtar (“the queen of heaven”) were adopted by increasingly apostate leaders and named “Easter” under the guise of remembering Jesus’ resurrection—even though the Scriptures condemn these practices (see, for example, Jeremiah 7:18; 44:18–23; Ezekiel 8:15–18)."
The Rise of Modern Paganism
I came across this one years ago...
"The Council of Trent was held in an attempt to destroy the progress of the Protestant Reformation; it approved many pagan and unbiblical beliefs and declared it was to be accepted under the threat of "anathema".
The Council of Trent declared in its proclamation's the following:
It denied all the doctrines of the Reformation, from Sola Scriptura to "salvation by grace through faith alone" and pronounced anathemas (basically eternal damnation) upon anyone believing what the scripture shows and the Reformation held and preached.
It gave equal value and authority of tradition and Scripture (in actuality, tradition is held above Scripture) and so allowed for all the pagan rites and rituals it had allowed into the church.
Declared the Scriptures was for the priesthood only, and prohibited to anyone in the laity without written permission from one's superior -- to violate this was considered a mortal sin.
Confirmed the seven sacraments which basically were of pagan origin in the form they brought in. They held seven sacraments: baptism, confirmation, Eucharist (mass), penance/reconciliation (indulgences), extreme unction (last rights), marriage, and orders (ordination). Although not even formally decreed until the Council of Florence in 1439, the Council of Trent later declared all to be anathema whom do not hold Rome's position that it was Christ Himself who instituted these seven sacraments, but the form they used were from paganism more than anything from scripture.
Confirmed Purgatory which has no biblical basis but of pagan origin.Though of pagan origin, the Roman Church proclaimed it as an article of faith in 1439 at the Council of Florence, and it was confirmed by Trent in 1548. The Catholic Church teaches that even those "who die in the state of grace" (i.e., saved and sins forgiven) must still spend an indefinite time being purged/purified (i.e., expiated of sins/cleansed for heaven).
Confirmed the use Indulgences of which clearly is not sanctioned by the scriptures.
Confirmed the Mass as a propitiatory offering.The Mass was unknown in the early church, the mass did not become an official doctrine until pronounced by the Lateran Council of 1215 under the direction of Pope Innocent III, and reaffirmed by the Council of Trent.
Confirmed the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Lateran Council of 469 under Pope Martin I declared: "if anyone does not confess in harmony with the holy Fathers that the holy and ever virgin and immaculate Mary is really and truly the mother of God, inasmuch as she in the last times and without semen by the Holy Spirit conceived God the Word himself specially and truthfully, who was born from God the Father before all ages, and she bore him uncorrupted, and after his birth her virginity remaining indissoluble, let him be condemned." The perpetual virginity of Mary thus became an official teaching of the church: Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus. In 1555, the Council of Trent confirmed this dogma in the Constitution of Pope Paul IV known as "Cum Quorundam." Here the pope warns against teaching that "the same blessed Virgin Mary is not truly the Mother of God, and did not remain always in the integrity of virginity, i. e., before birth, in birth, and perpetually after birth....
Like many of the beliefs and rites of the Roman Catholic Church, transubstantiation origin is from paganism, and was first practiced by pagan religions. The idea of transubstantiation was characteristic of the religion of Mithra whose sacraments of cakes and Haoma drink closely parallel the Catholic Eucharistic rite. The noted historian Durant said that belief in transubstantiation as practiced by the priests of the Roman Catholic system is "one of the oldest ceremonies of primitive religion." The Story Of Civilization, p. 741. In Egypt priests would consecrate mest cakes which were supposed to be come the flesh of Osiris. Encyclopedia Of Religions, Vol. 2, p. 76.
It was never held in the early church and took many centuries before officially becoming an article of faith by the church of Rome, which means that it is essential to salvation according to the Roman Catholic Church. The idea of a corporal presence was not part of beliefs, but in 831 A.D. Paschasius Radbertus, a Benedictine monk, published a treatise openly advocating the doctrine of transubstantiation. Even then, for almost another four hundred years, theological debate waged over this teaching by bishops and people alike until at the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 A.D., it was officially defined and canonized as a dogma.
The Christian Church for the first three hundred years remained somewhat pure and faithful to the Word of God, but after the so called conversion of Constantine, who for political expedience declared Christianity the state religion, thousands of pagans were admitted to the church without true conversion. They brought with them pagan rites which they boldly introduced into the church with Christian terminology, thus corrupting the church. Even the noted Catholic prelate and theologian, Cardinal Newman, tells us that Constantine introduced many things of pagan origin: "We are told in various ways by Eusebius, that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own...The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church." An Essay On The Development Of Christian Doctrine, pp. 359, 360...."
"The Council of Trent was held in an attempt to destroy the progress of the Protestant Reformation; it approved many pagan and unbiblical beliefs and declared it was to be accepted under the threat of "anathema".
The Council of Trent declared in its proclamation's the following:
It denied all the doctrines of the Reformation, from Sola Scriptura to "salvation by grace through faith alone" and pronounced anathemas (basically eternal damnation) upon anyone believing what the scripture shows and the Reformation held and preached.
It gave equal value and authority of tradition and Scripture (in actuality, tradition is held above Scripture) and so allowed for all the pagan rites and rituals it had allowed into the church.
Declared the Scriptures was for the priesthood only, and prohibited to anyone in the laity without written permission from one's superior -- to violate this was considered a mortal sin.
Confirmed the seven sacraments which basically were of pagan origin in the form they brought in. They held seven sacraments: baptism, confirmation, Eucharist (mass), penance/reconciliation (indulgences), extreme unction (last rights), marriage, and orders (ordination). Although not even formally decreed until the Council of Florence in 1439, the Council of Trent later declared all to be anathema whom do not hold Rome's position that it was Christ Himself who instituted these seven sacraments, but the form they used were from paganism more than anything from scripture.
Confirmed Purgatory which has no biblical basis but of pagan origin.Though of pagan origin, the Roman Church proclaimed it as an article of faith in 1439 at the Council of Florence, and it was confirmed by Trent in 1548. The Catholic Church teaches that even those "who die in the state of grace" (i.e., saved and sins forgiven) must still spend an indefinite time being purged/purified (i.e., expiated of sins/cleansed for heaven).
Confirmed the use Indulgences of which clearly is not sanctioned by the scriptures.
Confirmed the Mass as a propitiatory offering.The Mass was unknown in the early church, the mass did not become an official doctrine until pronounced by the Lateran Council of 1215 under the direction of Pope Innocent III, and reaffirmed by the Council of Trent.
Confirmed the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Lateran Council of 469 under Pope Martin I declared: "if anyone does not confess in harmony with the holy Fathers that the holy and ever virgin and immaculate Mary is really and truly the mother of God, inasmuch as she in the last times and without semen by the Holy Spirit conceived God the Word himself specially and truthfully, who was born from God the Father before all ages, and she bore him uncorrupted, and after his birth her virginity remaining indissoluble, let him be condemned." The perpetual virginity of Mary thus became an official teaching of the church: Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus. In 1555, the Council of Trent confirmed this dogma in the Constitution of Pope Paul IV known as "Cum Quorundam." Here the pope warns against teaching that "the same blessed Virgin Mary is not truly the Mother of God, and did not remain always in the integrity of virginity, i. e., before birth, in birth, and perpetually after birth....
Like many of the beliefs and rites of the Roman Catholic Church, transubstantiation origin is from paganism, and was first practiced by pagan religions. The idea of transubstantiation was characteristic of the religion of Mithra whose sacraments of cakes and Haoma drink closely parallel the Catholic Eucharistic rite. The noted historian Durant said that belief in transubstantiation as practiced by the priests of the Roman Catholic system is "one of the oldest ceremonies of primitive religion." The Story Of Civilization, p. 741. In Egypt priests would consecrate mest cakes which were supposed to be come the flesh of Osiris. Encyclopedia Of Religions, Vol. 2, p. 76.
It was never held in the early church and took many centuries before officially becoming an article of faith by the church of Rome, which means that it is essential to salvation according to the Roman Catholic Church. The idea of a corporal presence was not part of beliefs, but in 831 A.D. Paschasius Radbertus, a Benedictine monk, published a treatise openly advocating the doctrine of transubstantiation. Even then, for almost another four hundred years, theological debate waged over this teaching by bishops and people alike until at the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 A.D., it was officially defined and canonized as a dogma.
The Christian Church for the first three hundred years remained somewhat pure and faithful to the Word of God, but after the so called conversion of Constantine, who for political expedience declared Christianity the state religion, thousands of pagans were admitted to the church without true conversion. They brought with them pagan rites which they boldly introduced into the church with Christian terminology, thus corrupting the church. Even the noted Catholic prelate and theologian, Cardinal Newman, tells us that Constantine introduced many things of pagan origin: "We are told in various ways by Eusebius, that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own...The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church." An Essay On The Development Of Christian Doctrine, pp. 359, 360...."
It is clear what traditions have been brought in and how..."Looking at what the Roman Catholic Church says is Mary we find this too is from paganism. In almost all the devotional books of the Roman Catholic Church, the mother of God is crowned, sceptred and enthroned as the Queen of heaven. ["She has been appointed by God to be the Queen of heaven and earth", Pius IX, 1854, but not made "official" till 1954 by Pius XII.]The Roman Catholic Church basically holds that damnation is impossible where there is true devotion to the Virgin. Hence the worship of Mary allows for and encourages multiplies sins which of course they then turn around and declare indulgences can negate. Pio Nono (Pius IX), after decreeing the Immaculate Conception, made the cornerstone of the Roman Catholic faith to believe and to teach that salvation is received solely and alone through Mary.
The origin of this idolatry had its root in ancient paganism. From Babylon, this worship of the mother and child spread to the other parts of the world. Astarte of the Assyrians, Ashtoreth of the Sidonians and Bowaney the mother of the gods of the Hindus held the place that Mary occupies in the church of Rome. Greece had her Venus and Rome her Juno and we find in scripture, the Diana of the Ephesians. The Egyptians had Isis, the same symbol, a female divinity whom they regarded as "the mother of the gods."
The Roman Catholic church divides the first two commandments and combines them into one in Ex.20. In doing this they end up dividing another commandment into two so they can still have ten. The commandment of idols and images is intentionally ignored and even protested. The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype. And whoever venerates an image venerates the person behind it. (Catechism of the Catholic church)
If one has an image of Mary then it is Mary who is venerated, just as much as an image of Jesus. Nowhere do we see this practice in the New Testament, but we do have many warnings about it. Nowhere does God approve of any type of worship toward objects that are even of Himself, neither the tabernacle which housed His presence, nor the ark which had the tablets, were to be worshipped. Yet these were some of the most sacred objects used toward God. Remember when Moses lifted up the Brazen altar in the wilderness for people to be healed by the bite of the serpents. Later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan, they brought the bronze serpent with them and turned it into an idol. It was used until King Hezekiah finally destroyed it (2 Kings 18:4). We see that something that was used even by God can be turned into a superstitious idol.
Paul states in 1 Cor. 12:2, You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. He does not give any precedence to the biblical way to use idols for the simple reason there is none.
In Ex.20:4-5 God forbids anyone who follows Him to make images for use in their worship. Within this context they are also not to bow down to them or do any reverence to them. The Hebrew word for worship is to kiss toward or bow down.
Idolatry is described by God as an abomination ( Ezek.16:36), no matter who makes them or is worshipping them . Cursed is any man who makes any graven image or molten image it is an abomination to the Lord (Lev. 26:1, Deut.27:15). While Catholics accept this practice of bowing in front of statues of Mary or saints God does not accept it, He forbids it!...
Deut. 12:3-4: And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place.You shall not worship the LORD your God with such things.
The biblical prohibition against having images for religious purposes and bowing down before them (and Gods abhorrence of this pagan practice) is clearly set forth in the second of the Ten Commandments and in numerous other passages of Scripture. For example: Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image.. to bow down unto it.... Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the Lord (Leviticus 26:1; Deuteronomy 27:15).
In Hebrew the word for Idols is Elim , avodot zerah means foreign worship. The Hebrew word for idolatry means to bow down or genuflect is to worship Tishtacheweh. To bow down or genuflect as an act of worship. (7812 shachah (shaw-khaw);a primitive root; to depress, i.e. prostrate (especially reflexive, in homage to royalty or God): bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.)"
The origin of this idolatry had its root in ancient paganism. From Babylon, this worship of the mother and child spread to the other parts of the world. Astarte of the Assyrians, Ashtoreth of the Sidonians and Bowaney the mother of the gods of the Hindus held the place that Mary occupies in the church of Rome. Greece had her Venus and Rome her Juno and we find in scripture, the Diana of the Ephesians. The Egyptians had Isis, the same symbol, a female divinity whom they regarded as "the mother of the gods."
The Roman Catholic church divides the first two commandments and combines them into one in Ex.20. In doing this they end up dividing another commandment into two so they can still have ten. The commandment of idols and images is intentionally ignored and even protested. The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype. And whoever venerates an image venerates the person behind it. (Catechism of the Catholic church)
If one has an image of Mary then it is Mary who is venerated, just as much as an image of Jesus. Nowhere do we see this practice in the New Testament, but we do have many warnings about it. Nowhere does God approve of any type of worship toward objects that are even of Himself, neither the tabernacle which housed His presence, nor the ark which had the tablets, were to be worshipped. Yet these were some of the most sacred objects used toward God. Remember when Moses lifted up the Brazen altar in the wilderness for people to be healed by the bite of the serpents. Later when the Israelites entered the land of Canaan, they brought the bronze serpent with them and turned it into an idol. It was used until King Hezekiah finally destroyed it (2 Kings 18:4). We see that something that was used even by God can be turned into a superstitious idol.
Paul states in 1 Cor. 12:2, You know that you were Gentiles, carried away to these dumb idols, however you were led. He does not give any precedence to the biblical way to use idols for the simple reason there is none.
In Ex.20:4-5 God forbids anyone who follows Him to make images for use in their worship. Within this context they are also not to bow down to them or do any reverence to them. The Hebrew word for worship is to kiss toward or bow down.
Idolatry is described by God as an abomination ( Ezek.16:36), no matter who makes them or is worshipping them . Cursed is any man who makes any graven image or molten image it is an abomination to the Lord (Lev. 26:1, Deut.27:15). While Catholics accept this practice of bowing in front of statues of Mary or saints God does not accept it, He forbids it!...
Deut. 12:3-4: And you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and burn their wooden images with fire; you shall cut down the carved images of their gods and destroy their names from that place.You shall not worship the LORD your God with such things.
The biblical prohibition against having images for religious purposes and bowing down before them (and Gods abhorrence of this pagan practice) is clearly set forth in the second of the Ten Commandments and in numerous other passages of Scripture. For example: Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image.. to bow down unto it.... Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image, an abomination unto the Lord (Leviticus 26:1; Deuteronomy 27:15).
In Hebrew the word for Idols is Elim , avodot zerah means foreign worship. The Hebrew word for idolatry means to bow down or genuflect is to worship Tishtacheweh. To bow down or genuflect as an act of worship. (7812 shachah (shaw-khaw);a primitive root; to depress, i.e. prostrate (especially reflexive, in homage to royalty or God): bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.)"
It just doesn't stop....
"If you read a bit of history and you will find the Catholics seven sacraments are not from what scripture gives us, but some truth mixed with falsehood derived from pagan rites and ceremonies. The seven sacraments came from another origin not from scripture, so baptism, confirmation, Eucharist (mass), penance/reconciliation (indulgences), extreme unction (last rights), marriage, and orders (ordination) came from pagan sources. The seven sacraments were not even formally decreed until the Council of Florence in 1439, the Council of Trent then declared to be anathema to not hold Rome's position that it was Christ Himself who instituted these seven sacraments. The idea of pushing the sacraments is that it supersedes the shedding of Christ's blood in His death upon the cross, and His death is of no value unless it is somehow dispensed and applied "sacramentally" by the Catholic priesthood.
Catholics are taught that the sacraments are indispensable for salvation, but baptism is considered the most important. Catholics doctrine is that a person enters into the spiritual life of the Church through baptism or really baptismal regeneration (that a person can be saved through baptism) so they practice infant baptism because they believe baptism erases original sin so the priest has power to do that. But scripture makes clear that we cannot be saved by works, and these sacraments even baptism in this form are not taught in the Bible.
The Mass is not from the Bible either, it like the others, has pagan origins. In the Roman Catholic mass, the Eucharist or host is a symbol of the sun from the old pagan worship. The round disc in the crescent moon was a symbol of ancient Babylon, and is found in all the ancient religions. Mass was never part of the early church, the mass did not become an official doctrine until pronounced by the Lateran Council of 1215 and then reaffirmed by the Council of Trent. The sacrifice of the mass is the central point of Catholic worship, as seen by the fact that those not attending and abstaining from mass are considered to have committed a mortal sin.
The Catholic Church didn't get to the Council of Trent and its unbiblical and pagan declarations by chance, slowly the church was led into apostasy. Here are some of the steps it took:
AD 310-It brought in the pagan prayers for the dead about 300 years after Christ.
AD about 320-Wax Candles for the pagan ritual of prayers was introduced in church.
AD 321- Pope Constantine passes a law requiring believers to worship on Sunday, the day the pagans worshipped the sun-god.
AD 321 to 364-Sunday worship instituted by the Council of Laodicea.
AD 327-Relic Worship was introduced in church.
AD 375-Veneration of angels and dead saints was introduced in church.
AD 394 -The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted.
AD 431=The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus.
AD 500-Priests took on pagan appearance and dress differently from the laity
AD 590-The belief of Eternal Torment was introduced in church.
AD 593-The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Pope Gregory I.
The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, and a form of Western plainchant, was attributed to Pope Gregory I and so took the name of Gregorian chant.
AD 600-The introduction of prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church during Pope Gregory I
AD 610-The title of pope or universal bishop, was declared given to the bishop of Rome by the emperor Phocas. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope."
AD 709-The kissing of the Pope's feet began. It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors.
AD 788-Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized
AD 850-Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized
AD 965-The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV
AD 995-Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
AD 998-Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed, some authorities say, began in the year 700.
AD around 1000-The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century, some authorities say, began with the liturgy of Pope Gregory I and two versions from beyond the Alps, the Gelasian (originally from Rome) and the ancient Gallican.
AD 1079-The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII
AD 1090-The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans
AD 11184-The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona.
AD 1190-The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.
AD 1215-The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then lays claim to eat Him in the presence of his people during Mass.
AD 1215-Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council
AD 1220-The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius
which is plain idolatry.
AD 1229-The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia
AD 1287-The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk
It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin.
AD 1311-Infant Baptism was introduced in church.
AD 1414-The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance
AD 1439-The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence
AD 1439-The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed
AD 1808-The Ave Maria, part of the last was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V, at the end of the 16th century.
AD 1445-The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible and apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent
The Roman Church says it never changes and yet it has done nothing else but invent 'new doctrines' from pagan origin which are contrary to the Bible, and has brought in and practiced rites and ceremonies taken bodily from paganism.....
"If you read a bit of history and you will find the Catholics seven sacraments are not from what scripture gives us, but some truth mixed with falsehood derived from pagan rites and ceremonies. The seven sacraments came from another origin not from scripture, so baptism, confirmation, Eucharist (mass), penance/reconciliation (indulgences), extreme unction (last rights), marriage, and orders (ordination) came from pagan sources. The seven sacraments were not even formally decreed until the Council of Florence in 1439, the Council of Trent then declared to be anathema to not hold Rome's position that it was Christ Himself who instituted these seven sacraments. The idea of pushing the sacraments is that it supersedes the shedding of Christ's blood in His death upon the cross, and His death is of no value unless it is somehow dispensed and applied "sacramentally" by the Catholic priesthood.
Catholics are taught that the sacraments are indispensable for salvation, but baptism is considered the most important. Catholics doctrine is that a person enters into the spiritual life of the Church through baptism or really baptismal regeneration (that a person can be saved through baptism) so they practice infant baptism because they believe baptism erases original sin so the priest has power to do that. But scripture makes clear that we cannot be saved by works, and these sacraments even baptism in this form are not taught in the Bible.
The Mass is not from the Bible either, it like the others, has pagan origins. In the Roman Catholic mass, the Eucharist or host is a symbol of the sun from the old pagan worship. The round disc in the crescent moon was a symbol of ancient Babylon, and is found in all the ancient religions. Mass was never part of the early church, the mass did not become an official doctrine until pronounced by the Lateran Council of 1215 and then reaffirmed by the Council of Trent. The sacrifice of the mass is the central point of Catholic worship, as seen by the fact that those not attending and abstaining from mass are considered to have committed a mortal sin.
The Catholic Church didn't get to the Council of Trent and its unbiblical and pagan declarations by chance, slowly the church was led into apostasy. Here are some of the steps it took:
AD 310-It brought in the pagan prayers for the dead about 300 years after Christ.
AD about 320-Wax Candles for the pagan ritual of prayers was introduced in church.
AD 321- Pope Constantine passes a law requiring believers to worship on Sunday, the day the pagans worshipped the sun-god.
AD 321 to 364-Sunday worship instituted by the Council of Laodicea.
AD 327-Relic Worship was introduced in church.
AD 375-Veneration of angels and dead saints was introduced in church.
AD 394 -The Mass, as a daily celebration, adopted.
AD 431=The worship of Mary, the mother of Jesus, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus.
AD 500-Priests took on pagan appearance and dress differently from the laity
AD 590-The belief of Eternal Torment was introduced in church.
AD 593-The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Pope Gregory I.
The Latin language, as the language of prayer and worship in churches, and a form of Western plainchant, was attributed to Pope Gregory I and so took the name of Gregorian chant.
AD 600-The introduction of prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church during Pope Gregory I
AD 610-The title of pope or universal bishop, was declared given to the bishop of Rome by the emperor Phocas. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope."
AD 709-The kissing of the Pope's feet began. It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors.
AD 788-Worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized
AD 850-Holy Water, mixed with a pinch of salt and blessed by the priest, was authorized
AD 965-The baptism of bells was instituted by Pope John XIV
AD 995-Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV
AD 998-Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed, some authorities say, began in the year 700.
AD around 1000-The Mass was developed gradually as a sacrifice; attendance made obligatory in the 11th century, some authorities say, began with the liturgy of Pope Gregory I and two versions from beyond the Alps, the Gelasian (originally from Rome) and the ancient Gallican.
AD 1079-The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII
AD 1090-The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans
AD 11184-The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona.
AD 1190-The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin and it was the protest against this traffic that brought on the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century.
AD 1215-The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then lays claim to eat Him in the presence of his people during Mass.
AD 1215-Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council
AD 1220-The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius
which is plain idolatry.
AD 1229-The Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia
AD 1287-The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk
It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin.
AD 1311-Infant Baptism was introduced in church.
AD 1414-The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance
AD 1439-The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence
AD 1439-The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed
AD 1808-The Ave Maria, part of the last was completed 50 years afterward and finally approved by Pope Sixtus V, at the end of the 16th century.
AD 1445-The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible and apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent
The Roman Church says it never changes and yet it has done nothing else but invent 'new doctrines' from pagan origin which are contrary to the Bible, and has brought in and practiced rites and ceremonies taken bodily from paganism.....
Anyone who studies history knows all this, and yet you find 'Christians' who neither 'hear or see' when it comes to what it shows....
Its time to repent from the iniquity brought about by what is truly the Antichrist entity and its false doctrines...
Acts 17:29-31 King James Version (KJV)
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Its time to repent from the iniquity brought about by what is truly the Antichrist entity and its false doctrines...
Acts 17:29-31 King James Version (KJV)
29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
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