Don't Blame God

[Behold]

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Reader, have you ever heard this question?

""if God is good, then why does he allow, allow, allow, allow, when He could stop, stop, stop, = all the bad stuff"".

"How can God be good, if God allows bad".

There is a simple answer..

Here you go....

Do you have children?
If not, maybe one day you will.

And what you do, is you train them for years and years.... the best you can,.... to be nice, kind, loving, honest, thoughtful, caring, and dependable, people.
You show them God. You teach them about Jesus..

And then some grow up and they are horrible people.

Whose fault is that?.....

So, here is the dilemma, that God has to accept, and we have to understand to get to the truth..

God said...>>"Let us make man, in our Image"... and that includes free will.

So, God had a choice...
He could make "Man" as a mindless puppet, with a soul... a Robot with skin on it.. or He could make man with a mind, and a will, with the ultimate power of choice, = as God Himself has, and by doing that.... as "let us make man in our image" God chose to give you and me and Adam and Eve, the right of CHOICE.

And what happens?
Some choose to be Hamas.
Some choose to molest little boys.
Some choose to deny the Cross on This Forum.
Some choose to burn 6 million Jews
Some choose to push liquid CRACK into their veins through a syringe.
Some choose to kidnap 10 yr old virgin Girls in One Country, for the benefit of perverts in another county who prey on young girls.
Some choose to serve a purpose greater then themselves.

See all that CHOICE? ?????

That is what God has to allow, YOU, and ME< and EVERYONE to become or not..... we are allowed to CHOOSE what we do, and what we want, and what we pursue.... or God would have created us as Flesh Robots, = Mindless Puppets with a heart beat.

So, the issue isn't God, the issue is with that question that blames God......as its a false presumption.. because what the person is doing is blaming GOD, for the EVIL that men and women choose to do.
So, choosing to do and be EVIL..... for the person to be evil by choice, is what has to be allowed, so that God's HUMAN creation could all be free moral agents, who have the right to choose how they behave.

= Free will.

 

[Pearl]

@Behold Good post. How would you answer those who blame God for allowing natural disasters?

 

[Behold]

@Behold Good post. How would you answer those who blame God for allowing natural disasters?

The curse that came with the fall, twisted everything.
Man, animals, earth, cosmos.

Originally Lions and Lambs were not Hunter and hunted.. they were just happy together.

Once Adam's fall became the fall of us all, then all of creation, became twisted.

Does "the god of this world" create storms, exactly as he creates Cancer and murder?
Well, He was able to take The Son of God up into the air, so, perhaps that shows us that the devil is more then just "an idea of evil".

And if this following verse is more true then symbolic, .....then man's sin, has a influence over certain areas, including weather that produces, harmful weather.

Notice this verse... Isaiah 24:5


What we know, is that there is something called, "the Authority of the Believer" and words are prayers and faith empowers them, for good or for evil.

Its not just life that is found in our speech, its also the power of death.. and harm.

Jesus once told a fig tree to die, and it did.

A Christian can believe for cancer, and actually speak that as a prayer, like this....>>>"well, my mama died of cancer, so, i'll get it also, i bet".

A.) You win your bet, as you just put faith in your words, to receive Cancer.

"Life and death are in the mouth.. in the words... in the POWER of the tongue".

Jesus didnt say..>>>"as you think, so be it to you".>He said as you SAY....= here come the results.

When Jesus comes back, in 2 Thess 1:8-9, then all the wrong that was never judged, on this earth, is going to be "made right", by Christ.

And the Millennial Reign of Christ, is going to restore a harmony and a peace to this earth itself, the PLANET, that has not seen this, since Eden.

So, the believers, can understand that the curse on the earth and of the earth, allows for natural devastation to "sprout".. and sometimes its where people live.
Unbelievers, and some believers will blame God for not making it go to France instead of going to Romania... and perhaps that verse in Isaiah explains what directs the storms, most of all.

Here is what i do..
When a storm is threatening, i pray that it DIE and i resist it like this.....>"No weapon formed against my house, shall prosper".

A bad storm, tornado, hurricane, is a weapon threatening to harm you, , and the bible gives us the WORDS to speak against ALL Storms.

Notice that Jesus spoke to the Storm.
Notice that when the Devil came to Christ... Jesus never replied to His questions, except to speak SCRIPTURE back to the Devil.

"Its it written... "It is written"... "it is written"...

So, that is the WORD of God, using the word of God against the ENEMY, and so should we, no matter if its a storm coming down from the sky, or if its a storm of life that is trying to destroy our health, our finances, our family.

 

[Pearl]

What we know, is that there is something called, "the Authority of the Believer" and words are prayers and faith empowers them, for good or for evil.

Its not just life that is found in our speech, its also the power of death.. and harm.

Jesus once told a fig tree to die, and it did.

A Christian can believe for cancer, and actually speak that as a prayer, like this....>>>"well, my mama died of cancer, so, i'll get it also, i bet".

A.) You win your bet, as you just put faith in your words, to receive Cancer.

"Life and death are in the mouth.. in the words... in the POWER of the tongue".

I totally believe that. We can speak blessings or curses on our lives - positive or negative,

My husband used to say he wanted a mobility scooter - he now has one. He used to say he wished somebody would shave him - now I do it because he can't do it himself any more.

I cough a lot and have for years but I don't own the cough. My first reaction to anything health related is to say a very loud NO and claim the presence of Jesus within me, also stating that all the days ordained for me are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Pearl]

Thank you for your reply @Behold and I get what you are saying but how do you explain it all to an unbeliever; to somebody who can't believe that if there actually is a God that he would let so many people be killed in earthquakes and buried alive under the rubble. I know that the laws of nature were set in motion at Creation but how to explain all that to a atheist or agnostic. I try to explain it to my son but he just doesn't get it.

 

[Behold]

I totally believe that. We can speak blessings or curses on our lives - positive or negative,

My husband used to say he wanted a mobility scooter - he now has one. He used to say he wished somebody would shave him - now I do it because he can't do it himself any more.

I cough a lot and have for years but I don't own the cough. My first reaction to anything health related is to say a very loud NO and claim the presence of Jesus within me, also stating that all the days ordained for me are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Amen.

 

[Behold]

Thank you for your reply @Behold and I get what you are saying but how do you explain it all to an unbeliever; to somebody who can't believe that if there actually is a God that he would let so many people be killed in earthquakes and buried alive under the rubble. I know that the laws of nature were set in motion at Creation but how to explain all that to a atheist or agnostic. I try to explain it to my son but he just doesn't get it.

You can't make them see it.
Its just like trying to explain that people go to Hell because they chose to not go to heaven.

"Jesus is the Way to heaven"... John 14:6..

A.) '"No, i dont want that, i want what I WANT, i want MY WAY"......... and so, that is what you get, but there is a eternal cost that is found at the end of every Christ Rejector's Life.
Don't blame God, as He offered us ALL the ETERNAL WAY out.

We just have to realized that they can't understand what we know....until they can SEE IT.... and till them we try to be gentle with the explanation and not be offended when they can't handle the truth, and dont want to know it.

Its tragic when a Tornado or a car wreck rips apart someone's life .
And its Tragic that they tore the flesh off of God's Son with "scourges"... and nailed Beautiful Innocent Jesus to a Tree.

Lots of things are tragic down here.. and they are going to get worse, not better, right until 2 Thess 1:8-9, is over.

 

[Ritajanice]

A Born Again must do the will of the Father....we have been Born Of The Spirit....therefore our spirit belongs to God..we are spirit children.

In Matthew 7:21–23, Jesus is recorded as saying: “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

Jesus was the Son Of God and his destiny was to do the will of the Father, he was always inline with the Fathers will.

A Born Again is taught by the Spirit to come inline with the will of God...and a Born Again child of God will always 100% come in line/ harmony with the Spirit....we were chosen for his purpose and plan, to give all Glory to the Father...same as becoming Born Again Of Imperishable seed. all Glory goes to Gods Almighty Power, In Jesus Name...Amen!!

A Born Again has no choice...they were chosen by God for his purpose and plan....God knows his children and his children know their Spirit Father in heaven, that’s exactly who he is our Spirit Father who chose us before the foundation of the world all according to his purpose and plan......we serve a Living Mighty Powerful God!

Anointing us to carry out his will....his power flows within us .....nothing can stop his will being done on earth as it is in heaven.

To be anointed by God is to be filled with all the fullness of God so that you can faithfully do his work in this world. “His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence” (2 Peter 1:3).

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Ephesians 3:20 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, New Living Translation Now all glory to God, who is able, through his mighty power at work within us, to accomplish infinitely more than we might ask or think. English Standard Version Now to him who is able to do far more abundantly than all that we ask or think, according to the power at work within us, Berean Standard Bible Now to Him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to His power that is at work within us, Berean Literal Bible Now to the One being able to do exceedingly above all things that we ask or think, according to the power working in us,

 

[Ronald Nolette]

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Reader, have you ever heard this question?

""if God is good, then why does he allow, allow, allow, allow, when He could stop, stop, stop, = all the bad stuff"".

"How can God be good, if God allows bad".

There is a simple answer..

Here you go....

Do you have children?
If not, maybe one day you will.

And what you do, is you train them for years and years.... the best you can,.... to be nice, kind, loving, honest, thoughtful, caring, and dependable, people.
You show them God. You teach them about Jesus..

And then some grow up and they are horrible people.

Whose fault is that?.....

So, here is the dilemma, that God has to accept, and we have to understand to get to the truth..

God said...>>"Let us make man, in our Image"... and that includes free will.

So, God had a choice...
He could make "Man" as a mindless puppet, with a soul... a Robot with skin on it.. or He could make man with a mind, and a will, with the ultimate power of choice, = as God Himself has, and by doing that.... as "let us make make in our image" God chose to give you and me and Adam and Eve, the right of CHOICE.

And what happens?
Some choose to be Hamas.
Some choose to molest little boys.
Some choose to deny the Cross on This Forum.
Some choose to burn 6 million Jews
Some choose to push liquid CRACK into their veins through a syringe.
Some choose to kidnap 10 yr old virgin Girls in One Country, for the benefit of perverts in another county who prey on young girls.
Some choose to serve a purpose greater then themselves.

See all that CHOICE? ?????

That is what God has to allow, YOU, and ME< and EVERYONE to become or not..... we are allowed to CHOOSE what we do, and what we want, and what we pursue.... or God would have created us as Flesh Robots, = Mindless Puppets with a heart beat.

So, the issue isn't God, the issue is with that question that blames God......as its a false presumption.. because what the person is doing is blaming GOD, for the EVIL that men and women choose to do.
So, choosing to do and be EVIL..... for the person to be evil by choice, is what has to be allowed, so that God's HUMAN creation could all be free moral agents, who have the right to choose how they behave.

= Free will.

But not one verse of Scripture to support your hypothesis.

 

[Behold]

But not one verse of Scripture to support your hypothesis.

Actually, i quoted from Genesis.

 

[Behold]

Reader..

Let me show the reader something interesting.. for you to consider..

Lets say that you have 4 young children. (Jessie, David, Ruth, Zackery)

And lets say that you would NOT allow them to go to Church,.... and then you murdered your 4 Children,.... for NOT Going to Church.

Now, are you Crazy?
Are you obviously crazy, for not allowing your 4 Children to go to Church,. .and then you MURDERED THEM< for Not Going to Church?
Yes, you are obviously INSANE, and you should be put to sleep.

Now notice this...

John 3:36,.. in the NT..... says that ALL unbelievers, are under "God's Wrath", and are going to HELL... because they Have not ever Trusted in Christ.

Now notice carefully....
John Calvinism, teaches that God wont choose them to believe, so, God is sending them (all unbelievers) to Hell, because God wont Choose them, to trust in Christ.
So, this is teaching that God wont allow them to Trust In Jesus, and then sends them to HELL when they die, for never having trusting in Christ.

Now, do you see the PARENT who would not let His 4 Children go to Church, and murdered them for not going to Church?

Do you see?

Do you also now see John Calvin's God, who wont allow unbelievers to trust in Christ, and then sends then to Hell for not Trusting in Christ"?

Do you see the same insanity, between the Parent who murdered their 4 Children, and John Calvin's God who sends ALL unbelievers to Hell, because CALVIN's GOD would not let them Trust in Christ, and sent them to Hell for not trusting in Christ?

Do you see it?
Do you SEE the Insane Parent, and John Calvin's INSANE IDEA OF GOD that is His God? That is Calvinism's God That is "TULIP's" God, and "Hyper-Calvinism's" God., and that one is not the Father of Jesus The Christ.
Believe it.

So, Calvin is insane, and His God is insane, and Calvinism Theology is Insane, and TULIP and Hyper Calvinism, are slightly More Insane.... and its designed to do the same to your Theology, and to your head.

Stay away from it reader.
Stay away from the deceived people who believe it and teach it.
its a Spiritual Poison, and a death Trap.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Actually, i quoted from Genesis.

Five words without citing the verse is not what anyone would call a message from the Word of God!

 

[Behold]

Five words without citing the verse is not what anyone would call a message from the Word of God!

I was not doing an exegesis on a verse.

My Thread is defining a doctrine of devils, and i described how this evil teaching, views and insults God, Himself.

 

[Bob]

Thank you for your posts.

Maybe God is only mostly good, much of the time? (Teasing)

How is life for us today versus the lives of people, say, 5,000 years ago?

Certainly, we have made vast improvements in technology, improving the quality of life for all, compared to the past. (Thanks be to God.)

But there are basics that are just the same: the people in the past, too, had families and friends, and if they knew God, He had promised them abundant life and hope for the future.

If one is dwelling obsessively on one’s suffering, perhaps it is time to (a) count one’s blessings and (b) focus one’s attention on helping others. Love God and Love Your Neighbor.

A few of the many verses re the goodness of God:

1. Oh, give thanks to the Lord, for He is good! For His mercy endures forever. 1 Chronicles 16:34
2. And they sang responsively, praising and giving thanks to the Lord: “For He is good, for His mercy endures forever toward Israel.” Ezra 3:11
3. Good and upright is the Lord. Psalm 25:8
4. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever. Psalm 23:6
5. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all His works. Psalm 145:9

Amen.

 

[Lambano]

Thank you for your reply @Behold and I get what you are saying but how do you explain it all to an unbeliever; to somebody who can't believe that if there actually is a God that he would let so many people be killed in earthquakes and buried alive under the rubble. I know that the laws of nature were set in motion at Creation but how to explain all that to a atheist or

No. Nor does it work for a young man dying of cancer who was taught from childhood that there is a God who is sovereign over all the circumstances of our lives.

 

[Behold]

Nor does it work for a young man slowly dying of cancer much too soon. A young man whose short life was characterized by his handicap, ridicule, and abuse. A young man who was taught from childhood that there is a God who is sovereign over all the circumstances of our lives.

Yes,
when you teach the Lie of Calvinism, = that Its all "predestined"...... Its all God's Fault...., its God's Sovereign "reign" that is the reason you got Cancer, or your child did".....

So, when a Calvinist, teaches this assault against God Himself......What they are trying to do, is HIDE THE DEVIL.., as if the Devil, is on Vacation, and isnt the author of destruction, devastation. and often times Sickness.

Reader... Jesus said..>>>"when you've seen ME, you've seen The Father"... so, when did Jesus on this Earth, ever cause someone to be SICK?
When did Jesus ever cause anyone to be BROKE?
When did Jesus ever cast a demon INTO someone?

And Jesus said.. "if you've seen ME, you've SEEN THE Father".. and now Calvinist, tell you that God makes you SICK, BROKE, Harmed.

Do you see the problem?

Jesus said.. "i came that you might have LIFE".. .and the Devil is going to stop that, if possible, and he created ministers like John Calvin, to keep you from "LIFE, in Christ", that includes HEALING and HEALTH.

Listen...

What the "pre-destined" "sovereign", doctrine of Devil's is designed to do, is to create the theology of lies that Blames God for the Devil's deeds.
And many "christians" do teach it and preach this devil's lies, with PRIDE... .They can't wait to hide the Devil, for Calvin's sake, by blaming God for "everything" "all the bad stuff".

Calvinism - TULIP - HyperCalvinism.. is a DEATH TRAP, because once it owns your mind.. you will believe that what the Devil is doing to you, is "God Caused",, .... and now that you believe that God is doing it to you...., you wont be able to Pray to God for HEALING , or for HELP.... because Calvin has trained you to believe that God is the reason you are suffering.

You wont be able to trust God to HEAL you, when Calvin has you convinced that you that "God's sovereign will" has pre-destined you and you mother and your children..... to "get sick, or be broke, etc, etc"., as well as go to Hell.

Calvin will get you KILLED, and his "ministers" will lead you there on THIS Forum, and on all Forums, and from MOST Pulpits.

Do not follow them.
Do not listen to them.

 

[Lambano]

Yes,
when you teach the Lie of Calvinism, = that Its all "predestined"...... Its all God's Fault...., its God's Sovereign "reign" that is the reason you got Cancer, or your child did".....

So, when a Calvinist, teaches this assault against God Himself......What they are trying to do, is HIDE THE DEVIL.., as if the Devil, is on Vacation, and isnt the author of destruction, devastation. and often times Sickness.

Dude. "God's sovereignty" just means that God has veto power over the Devil. That's not just a Calvinism doctrine; EVERY CHRISTIAN believes that - or should.

 

[Behold]

Dude. "God's sovereignty"

Its true that God has all control, but He does not exercise this over your free will.

Your NT says you are to "resist the devil".. .not "hope that God's Sovereignty, keeps me safe".

Your NT says that you are to "Put on the Armor of God," to "Stand against the WILES (plans and deception) brought to you by the devil.'"

So, YOU are to do that.. not "God's sovereignty'".

YOU are to believe that your Prayers will be answered, as Jesus said... that """according to YOUR FAITH, so shall it be done to you.""

Got that "little Dude"?

"comprehendo"? @Lambano ?

So, What Calvin does.. and what "pre-destined elect" theology does,.. is it defines God as all the PREDESTINED PROBLEMs in your life... ., that are "pre-destined", as if the DEVIL does not exist to try to KILL YOU>.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I was not doing an exegesis on a verse.

My Thread is defining a doctrine of devils, and i described how this evil teaching, views and insults God, Himself.

Define according to whom? Certainly not God's definition.

But as to the argument between free will and election, let us look at some Scripture (versus a mans opinion)

Without delving into the variations out there, free will advocates say it is up to man to decide whether they will accept the gospel or not. The gospel is presented and they get to choose for themselves in their lost state whether or not to receive Christ.

For the sake of this argument, I want to define free will differently than volitional choices though they are similar in definition

1. biblical free will has to do with a mans abilityu to choose God for salvation and to do works acceptable to gos.

2. Volitional choices are those choices God gave to man to live their life. what to eat, drink, whether to live morally or immorally, take drugs or not etc. In other words decisions people make daily whether saved or lot. Thesae are things god gave to mankind.

But can a person who is not saved and living in their human nature decide for themself to choose god? Let us simply let Scripture declare it. Also for those who may not know so, when the bible says flesh when it is not directly speaking of our bodies, it is speaking of mankinds human nature.

Romans 8:6-8

King James Version

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6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 7:14

King James Version

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14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

Romans 3:10-12

King James Version

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10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Ephesians 2:3

King James Version

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3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Isaiah 1:6

King James Version

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6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Scripture is very clear, the unsaved person is incapable of and has no desire to choose God.

Many of the advocates of human free will are not even aware of this simple fact. Masns ego deep down is terrified of not being able to take paret in the decision to be saved. Ego desires to say " See, I heard the gospel and thought on it and decided it was good for me so I accepted jesus" It de3sires some credit when there is no credit for a person who gets saved.

 

[Bob]

To those who believe that a good, all-powerful God would not permit any suffering—-

This sounds like nostalgia for a Garden of Eden, “The Big Rock Candy Mountain.”

But even a Garden of Eden has dangers, like rivers, for example. Foolish people will take foolish risks and injure or even kill themselves. Should God step in at the last minute to save them from themselves?

God has given humans wonderful brains to understand His creation and thereby overcome the inherent dangers of our planet. When someone is killed tragically, through no fault of their own, they will not have suffered in vain if we are thereby prompted to try to avoid similar tragedies in the future.

One of the great messages of the Bible is that God works through people to bring about His purposes for us.

Peace.