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Only the Holy Spirit can give us revelation knowledge of it.
Dream Interpretation - Is it New Age?
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Only the Holy Spirit can give us revelation knowledge of it.
2 Peter 1:15-21 J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
Truth will bear repetition
12-15 I shall not fail to remind you of things like this although you know them and are already established in the truth. I consider it my duty, as long as I live in the temporary dwelling of this body, to stimulate you by these reminders.
Truth will bear repetition
12-15 I shall not fail to remind you of things like this although you know them and are already established in the truth. I consider it my duty, as long as I live in the temporary dwelling of this body, to stimulate you by these reminders.
16-17 We were not following a cleverly written-up story when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ—we actually saw his majesty with our own eyes. He received honour and glory from God the Father himself when that voice said to him, out of the sublime glory of Heaven, ‘This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased’.
18-19 We actually heard that voice speaking from Heaven while we were with him on the sacred mountain. The word of prophecy was fulfilled in our hearing! You should give that word your closest attention, for it shines like a lamp amidst all the dirt and darkness of the world, until the day dawns, and the morning star rises in your hearts.
False prophets will flourish, but only for a time
20-21 But you must understand this at the outset, that no prophecy of scripture arose from an individual’s interpretation of the truth. No prophecy came because a man wanted it to: men of God spoke because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
The New Testament in Modern English by J.B Phillips copyright © 1960, 1972 J. B. Phillips. Administered by The Archbishops’ Council of the Church of England. Used by Permission.
18-19 We actually heard that voice speaking from Heaven while we were with him on the sacred mountain. The word of prophecy was fulfilled in our hearing! You should give that word your closest attention, for it shines like a lamp amidst all the dirt and darkness of the world, until the day dawns, and the morning star rises in your hearts.
False prophets will flourish, but only for a time
20-21 But you must understand this at the outset, that no prophecy of scripture arose from an individual’s interpretation of the truth. No prophecy came because a man wanted it to: men of God spoke because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
The New Testament in Modern English by J.B Phillips copyright © 1960, 1972 J. B. Phillips. Administered by The Archbishops’ Council of the Church of England. Used by Permission.
Hidden In Him
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Joseph, Phillip's "New Testament" was a paraphrase. I would be glad to discuss 2 Peter 1:19-2:3 with you if you like, but not from that disaster. On first glance I'm counting... at least four verses that have been mauled virtually beyond recognition. Verse 19 is an absolute nightmare. He butchers that one so bad it's unintelligible.
A word of friendly advice. If you want proper doctrine, stop reading Phillips. It's not a translation. It's an opinion piece.
Since Corrie ten Boom was far better living Jesus' Life than anyone known to you apparently,
and
it was her favorite translation, verified perfect with her faithful life and true teachings all of her life,
in 63 countries plus some,
I'll stick with what is proven....
Hidden In Him
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Corrie Ten Boom was a great woman of God, but she was not a scholar.
Joseph, no genuine scholar is going to tell you Philip's work on this passage is anything resembling a "translation" of the text, especially v.19, which you seem to be basing your beliefs on.
There are a few on this forum I can invite to this thread if you like. They will tell you the same thing.
COOL! Since you know this, you might also know God's Word about "scholars"(educated ones) ?
Do you know what modern new age philosophy is?
I'm not sure what it's morphed into now, but this was in the 80's, when I was into this stuff.
There is no "creator god", all are god and all cooperatively create, and manage and maintain creation, because we want to, and it's like a game, a tool, a theater, all this we live in. And if you can see past all the construction and animation into the reality, some are lower and some are higher and some are Ascended. And there is no, according to Thy will O Lord, rather, if you decide that you believe something to be, it is.
Of course there's a lot more to it.
But nothing like Jesus.
Hidden In Him
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I'm talking about real ones. If there were no genuine translators, you wouldn't have a Bible to read.
"Real" according to WHO?
Is God in charge, or not ?
(of the Bible) (according to God) (i.e. IN Scripture)
WHO is in charge of REVEALING SALVATION (and everything else revealed) (to little children) (and to whom God chooses only, while hiding it all from educated ones ) ? ? (according to the Bible) ?
That's not really logical you know. Hitler read the Bible. But because Hitler was evil, that doesn't mean the Bible is evil alongside him.
In the same way, Corrie ten Boom seems to have been an admirable woman in every respect, and if she read from Phillips' Bible version, that doesn't mean she would be any less so had she read a different version.
Personally, I find Phillips to be a little interpretive on occassion. I prefer a more literal translation, as I want the English words to translate in such a way as to signify the Greek words they are translating. Which is one of the reasons I like the King James so much.
Of course, in this passage from Peter, Phillips carries the meaning much better than the King James, in my opinion.
Much love!
Hidden In Him
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LoL. Ok, Joseph. Not a problem with me. But when you eventually start digging into study of the original texts, you will find out the truth of what I was telling you.
God bless,
Hidden
God has already revealed about your posts, even from your own errors and your own words..... no loss to me.
Note that she did not only read it, it is/was/ her (reportedly) favorite version.
And she was no light-weight in Scripture. Unlike someone else's remarks, in error,
she taught young people Scripture - and her pupils learned and remembered EVERY NAME, EVERY RIVER, every PROPHET, every book of Scripture - EMBARRASSING so-called 'scholars' classes (pastor's class),
because his pupils did not even know the names of people just in Genesis nor who they were.
This is Phillips?
Phillips writes "The word of prophecy was fulfilled in our hearing!" Where he writes "was", that is, past tense, something that happened at that time, the text shows present tense, "we are having".
Phillips writes, " . . . prophecy was fulfilled", apparently translating from bebaioteron, which is essentially, stedfast or sure, speaks of the firmness of something.
In Matthew 1:22, now all this was done that it might be fulfilled, "pleroo" is used, to fill up. This word pleroo is used over and over again to describe the fulfilling of the prophecies.
I'm not sure why Phillips seems to go contrary to the text here, I mean, really, I have no idea. It seems to me he's really changing the meaning.
That even that aside, when the King James said "confirmed", I was pretty certain without even looking that word would not be pleroo, because that word is translated pretty consistenly in the King James. I like that a lot about the KJV.
Much love!
jaybird
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new age just means alternative, different than the mainstream belief, an example would be Jesus and the 12, their ideas were very different than the mainstream Judaism taught in their day.
I think it's more like . . .
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius
Age of Aquarius
Aquarius
Aquarius
Harmony and understanding
Sympathy and trust abounding
No more falsehoods or derisions
Golden living dreams of visions
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Aquarius
Aquarius
This really was kind of the anthem . . . and it is very antichrist.
While it true that the revelation comes through the Holy Spirit, people on both sides or even more than two sides will claim to be led by the Holy Spirit. Then alone comes someone like our good friend @Marymog to ask how one is to know which one of them, if any, is right. People will certainly then argue over who has the Holy Spirit leading them and who does not. Who is pleasing God? Who is coming up short?
"The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one." Psalm 14:2-3
"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written..." Rom 3:4
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23
And the winner is...?
"And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner" Luke 18:13
"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matt 13:9
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