Dual Nature Theology: Spiritual and Natural

[robert derrick]

Man is the only living being created by God to have two natures: one spiritual and one natural.

God is the eternal Spirit that creates both immortal spiritual beings and naturally living creatures : spiritual beings have thought, intent, and imagination like God, and natural creatures are mortal flesh.

(Ezek 28:15)(Psalms 139:13-16)

Both angels and man are perfectly created spiritual beings with thought, intents, and imagination in the likeness of God's own spiritual Being and Life. This is why Scripture also refers to angels as sons of God. (Job 38)

Angels were created before the natural heaven and earth, and man is created during the heaven and earth with natural bodies.

And so, man is the only created being by God, that has the Dual Nature of both spiritual being and natural body. He is created spiritually as the angels, but made a little lower than the angels with natural bodies of mortal flesh.

All other living creatures on earth are naturally made and born, having spirits, but are not spiritual beings with thought, intent, and imagination.

This is where Scripture divides man from all other natural living creatures, by lightening every man coming into the world with the intelligent light of Christ. (John 1)

This is also where Scripture reveals the truth that Jesus Christ was fully man with dual nature, having come down from heaven in the flesh, being naturally born with mortal body like all men.

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

He was not an angel or spirit coming in a temporary appearance of physical body, as the Lord and angels did in the OT.

With the Lord, angels have taken on the form of physical bodies, but can never be natural born with one: neither devils nor demons can appear in natural form, and an antichrist is not an incarnate son of the devil.

And so, all men, including Jesus, having two natures, the soul being spiritual within, and the body being natural without.

It is not true than any created being of Christ can have two natures of being good and evil, righteous and sinful. That is a theology made to explain or justify what is not explainable neither ever justifiable: why any angel or man created by Christ would ever spiritually destroy themselves by willfully sinning against God.

There is no explanation for why, but there is for how: All spiritual beings are created by Christ with the perfect will to please God, but also having the free will to choose not to, but to please themselves instead contrary to the commandment and spoken will of God.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Thank you. Very good.
Im sorry to say so many do not understand this fact.

Some think that when our spiritual man is born, through the new birth, it eradicates our natural man. This is NOT true.
We must bring our natural man under subjection to God by and thru the Holy Spirit.

 

[robert derrick]

While there are only two natures of any man, spiritual and natural, there are two different spiritual natures man can have within the soul: Good or evil, righteous or sinful, a true spirit or a spirit of error.

At any given time any man can have one or the other, but never both at the same time.

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Double heartedness is simply a person that has yet to fix his heart and make up his own mind once for all, to either do good with the Lord or evil with the devil.

With God it is not possible to be both good and evil in nature:

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?

Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

All flesh is mortal in nature, but righteousness or sinfulness is only spiritual in nature, and so doing righteousness or unrighteousness is from the spirit of the man within, and only manifest in the body without.

Doing good or evil by obedience or disobedience to the commandment of God, can only be by the choice of a spiritual being that has thought and intent of heart, whether angel or man.

Naturally living creatures on earth are natural only and make no choices for good or evil spiritually, but only do what it is natural to do: eat, drink, sleep, produce offspring, live or die.

All flesh is natural and mortal only, but man is a spiritual being clothed in earthen vessels while on earth.

All flesh is made good in sight of God, though mortal, and all spiritual beings are created perfectly good and whole by Christ, and are lightened by His light of intelligence. Man, unlike any other living creature on earth, is created and born with power of choice to please God or themselves.

Lucifer was the first spiritual being to choose his own will and pleasure more than God, and Adam was the first man to do likewise.

 

[robert derrick]

Thank you. Very good.
Im sorry to say so many do not understand this fact.

Some think that when our spiritual man is born, through the new birth, it eradicates our natural man. This is NOT true.
We must bring our natural man under subjection to God by and thru the Holy Spirit.

True. We must do as you say, by His divine power with His help of grace. That is our part that can only possibly be done through the faith of Jesus.

We must crucify our old man and spiritual nature of disobedience to God. By sinning, we become natural man in rebellion against the Spirit of Christ, but by confession unto repentance, we become sons of God with power to choose to do good and not evil.

The natural body only does what the spirit of man chooses to do with and through it.

 

[robert derrick]

The only difference between man and other living creatures on earth, is man makes righteous or unrighteous, intelligent or foolish, decisions of what to do in the flesh, while the animals only do what comes natural to the body: breathing, making sound, eating, drinking, sleeping, producing offspring, etc...

All men and living creatures were created for God's good pleasure, with man created in His spiritual image with power to choose pleasing Him. Natural man spiritually chooses his own pleasure over pleasing God, and so gives himself to the flesh and natural things of this life only, and makes of himself a brute beast on earth:

But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Man is created in the image of God and born spiritually higher than the natural beasts of the earth, but rebellious man makes himself physically lower than other naturally living creatures, by doing such things that no brute beast would ever do, because no such natural creature has such thought nor imagination to do so.

Though our natural bodies are made lower than the spiritual bodies of angels, our souls are made equally spiritual as any angel.

No angel nor spirit has any power over any man, other than what man gives him.

Man is created with equal powers of persuasion and imagination, as any angel or spirit ever created by God: Lucifer is not higher than any man in spiritual power, but only in having a spiritual body, and no man is lower than the devil in spiritual power, other than what is submitted to him.

Satan only entered into Judas' soul, because Judas had fixed his own heart to betray the Lord, and so recieved the entirely corrupt will of the devil to do it.

When we give our souls to Jesus Christ, and make up our own minds once for all to believe Him and do His will only, then we receive His power and Spirit to overcome all spiritual powers and natural flesh.

Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

The natural born mortal body is only a vessel in which the spiritual being of man does good or evil: the natural flesh and bones of man only does what all natural bodies do on earth, unless the spirit of man chooses to do better or worse.

 

[robert derrick]

The words of man are not as the sounds of other living creatures, because man's words are produced spiritually from the mind of man:

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

All men's words, and deeds, are spiritually produced, not by the fleshy mouth or limbs, which is sound and movement only, but by the spirit and mind within man.

Jesus words were and are always spirit and life, while sinful man's words are spirit and death.

He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

If any man in Christ Jesus speaks the words of Life in Scripture, that man's words are also spirit and life.

He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Prophets of God speak only words of truth written in Scripture of God, and false prophets speak the words of their own minds, as though they were Scripture from God.

Every man's spirit is therefore known by his words, whether they be life or death, and only those speaking the words of life as plainly written in Scripture speak and testify of the life of Christ that is in them.

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Those who speak without Scripture, are natural men only speaking from their own minds of imagination, but those who wrest Scripture to speak their own minds, as though it were the mind of Christ, are judged as false prophets and teachers to do harm to the body of Christ.

I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars.

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

All words and deeds of man in this life, are all spiritually produced, which no other living creature can do, and the mortal fleshy body has nothing to say about it, but only make physical sounds with the mouth.

Neither the spiritual soul, nor heart, nor the mind of man is the brain, the heart, nor flesh and bones of the natural body.

We live and die by our words and deeds, because they are all spiritually produced, whether by Christ or with the devil.


Only man among all living creatures on earth, is created as the angels spiritual beings in the image of God, and so only men and angels can be corrupted into one's own image of unrighteousness. First was Lucifer in spiritual body among angels, and then was Adam in natural body among men.

The only betrayal of Adam to all men, is that no man afterward was born into the garden of Eden prepared by the Lord, and so raised int he admonition of the Lord Himself, even as Adam and Eve were on earth.

But that garden is now on earth, whether in wealth or poverty, desert or forest, when any child is raised in the Spirit and wisdom of the word of Christ:

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Other than that, there is no difference whatsoever between the spiritual creation and mortal flesh of any man nor woman, that that of Adam and Eve.

The only difference being, that Adam was made by the Lord from the dust of the earth, and Eve from the flesh of Adam, while all souls today are created by the Spirit of Christ in the lowest parts of the earth, and born from the womb of a woman, including the body of Jesus, who is that eternal Spirit and Creator of all things.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I would say angels and including those fallen ones, only have power over us if God allows it.

Job was tested by Satan by God's permission.
And so too was Judas led to betray Jesus by God's leading.

The witnesses to the aftermath of that claim Satan entered him in order for a fellow disciple to betray his master.

However, if malice was Judas' motive in and of his own nature, I submit he would not have been emotionally devastated after witnessing what his betrayal had wrought upon Jesus and repented.
And tried to return those 30 pieces of silver the Sanhedrin thought to buy Jesus' life with. And then killed himself for having as he saw it been responsible for Jesus being killed.

Setting the opinion of the witnesses who thought it was Satan acting alone that persuaded Judas to act through possession of his person, I believe this was another case of God utilizing Satan for his own purposes. Rather than Satan acting of his own accord.

Go back to the temptation parable in the desert. Jesus was there fasting for 40 days and Satan tempted him to prove he was the son of God.

Why?

Why would Satan want an itinerant Jewish rabbi by all appearances to Satan, want that man whose reputation would have preceded him at that point want the man to prove he was God's son?

For what purpose?

To show Satan how he was able to perform all those miracles? Because he was God made flesh walking among us.

Satan visited with God in heaven. He knew God and what he was capable of given their wager over Job. And Satan's leading David to take the census.

Why then would he challenge Jesus, whose name Satan would have known was Immanuel, meaning God with us to prove he was the son of God?

Unless that encounter was the precursor God set up for Satan to then afford one last temptation after the prior three in the desert.

As in acting through Judas to in effect challenge Jesus again to prove himself son of God. Not by throwing himself from a mountain cliff. But to take himself from off the cross.

So to make this unspoken challenge Satan enlisted the help of Judas. But none of this would have happened if God didn't use Satan again for his own purpose.

To seal the new covenant with his blood spilled by men acting out of the fallen spirit that made the example of why man was in need of saving grace and redemption from it.

Natural men unable to understand the things of the spirit intent on silencing that voice that preached the good news of his grace puts an end to the illusion of authority of the natural man over his own life.

And in its place instills a divine nature that extends the domain of God's kingdom on earth for every person who responds to God's call to grace.

And thereby reduces the territory and domain of Satan's influence over natural man here in this fallen world where he is lord.

Why wouldn't Satan want to silence that voice? And in going to the effort to accomplish that impart his final unspoken challenge. Well at least it isn't recorded in scripture.
That being, if you are the son of God come down off that cross.

And Jesus knowing all this because he had the mind of God being the word made flesh, is why he referred to Satan, the son of perdition, in contrast to Jesus being the son of God, as being the only one who is lost and shall remain lost.

Because Satan's fate was already sealed regardless of his collaborations with God.

While Judas was like Job in that he was made useful to God's plan. In this case that of bringing the salvation gospel into the world.

 

[robert derrick]

I don't mind diversions from the topic at hand, but I do prefer the points made be addressed, whether to agree or try to correct.

I would say angels and including those fallen ones, only have power over us if God allows it.

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The point being made is that man is just as much a created spiritual being as any angel, and so we have the same equal power of thought, intent, and imagination.

No devil has any more persuasive power than we have. Remember, God Himself tries to persuade man everyday to love Him and do His will, and yet man still refuses.

No angel has more power than God to persuade others, but both angels and men have more power than God to destroy themselves, when they refuse Him:

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.

The witnesses to the aftermath of that claim Satan entered him in order for a fellow disciple to betray his master.

Scripture of God says that is what happened. Not witnesses coming up with reasons for it.

However, if malice was Judas' motive in and of his own nature, I submit he would not have been emotionally devastated after witnessing what his betrayal had wrought upon Jesus and repented.
And tried to return those 30 pieces of silver the Sanhedrin thought to buy Jesus' life with. And then killed himself for having as he saw it been responsible for Jesus being killed.

I don't do speculation.

Scripture interprets Scripture and so teaches us the spiritual things, whether for good or evil.

Judas still has Satan in his heart, because he did not resist him, which is why he then committed suicide rather than repent as Peter did.

Suicide on his part therefore is from the sorrow of the world, not godly sorrow. He was sorry he got caught, and was now an enemy of the Lord, and despised by His other enemies.

There was nothing sorrowful nor noble about him: he was a traitor that did not humble himself to seek forgiveness.

Go back to the temptation parable in the desert. Jesus was there fasting for 40 days and Satan tempted him to prove he was the son of God.

Why?

Why would Satan want an itinerant Jewish rabbi by all appearances to Satan, want that man whose reputation would have preceded him at that point want the man to prove he was God's son?

For what purpose?

To show Satan how he was able to perform all those miracles? Because he was God made flesh walking among us.

Satan visited with God in heaven. He knew God and what he was capable of given their wager over Job. And Satan's leading David to take the census.

Why then would he challenge Jesus, whose name Satan would have known was Immanuel, meaning God with us to prove he was the son of God?

Unless that encounter was the precursor God set up for Satan to then afford one last temptation after the prior three in the desert.

As in acting through Judas to in effect challenge Jesus again to prove himself son of God. Not by throwing himself from a mountain cliff. But to take himself from off the cross.

So to make this unspoken challenge Satan enlisted the help of Judas. But none of this would have happened if God didn't use Satan again for his own purpose.

To seal the new covenant with his blood spilled by men acting out of the fallen spirit that made the example of why man was in need of saving grace and redemption from it.

Natural men unable to understand the things of the spirit intent on silencing that voice that preached the good news of his grace puts an end to the illusion of authority of the natural man over his own life.

And in its place instills a divine nature that extends the domain of God's kingdom on earth for every person who responds to God's call to grace.

And thereby reduces the territory and domain of Satan's influence over natural man here in this fallen world where he is lord.

Why wouldn't Satan want to silence that voice? And in going to the effort to accomplish that impart his final unspoken challenge. Well at least it isn't recorded in scripture.
That being, if you are the son of God come down off that cross.

And Jesus knowing all this because he had the mind of God being the word made flesh, is why he referred to Satan, the son of perdition, in contrast to Jesus being the son of God, as being the only one who is lost and shall remain lost.

Because Satan's fate was already sealed regardless of his collaborations with God.

While Judas was like Job in that he was made useful to God's plan. In this case that of bringing the salvation gospel into the world.

Satan knew who He was, even as the devils that knew He was the Son of the most high God.

Satan tempts to sin, because that is what the devil does. He can't do anything else than tempt and falsely accuse. He's the devil.

Jesus was tempted, because He was a man. God is not tempted at all; therefore, as a man Jesus was God in the flesh, but not God on the throne.

Man is allowed by God to be tempted on earth, because that is why God made man a little lower than the angels in mortal flesh: to be tried with temptation to obey God, or to disobey God as Lucifer in a spiritual body did.

Because Satan's fate was already sealed regardless of his collaborations with God.

While Judas was like Job in that he was made useful to God's plan. In this case that of bringing the salvation gospel into the world.

Satan never collaborates with God.

The same power God has over Satan, so does any man, if he knows the fight at hand:

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Any man on earth can resist the devil to murder, if he wants to. But Christians resist the devil to lust by submitting ourselves to the grace and divine power of God.

Judas was nothing like Job in the end. They were both tested, and one stood firm not to accuse God, and the other did not.

Judas accused Jesus of being a blasphemer to them accusing Him of being the same. He chose sides. Jesus was not the Christ that Judas wanted.

 

[BeyondET]

There was a role reverse from the first Adam to the second Adam. The first was made in the likeness of God and the second Adam in the likeness of sinful flesh
Romans 8
3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh,

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I don't mind diversions from the topic at hand, but I do prefer the points made be addressed, whether to agree or try to correct.




There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The point being made is that man is just as much a created spiritual being as any angel, and so we have the same equal power of thought, intent, and imagination.

No devil has any more persuasive power than we have. Remember, God Himself tries to persuade man everyday to love Him and do His will, and yet man still refuses.

No angel has more power than God to persuade others, but both angels and men have more power than God to destroy themselves, when they refuse Him:

While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.



Scripture of God says that is what happened. Not witnesses coming up with reasons for it.


I don't do speculation.

Scripture interprets Scripture and so teaches us the spiritual things, whether for good or evil.

Judas still has Satan in his heart, because he did not resist him, which is why he then committed suicide rather than repent as Peter did.

Suicide on his part therefore is from the sorrow of the world, not godly sorrow. He was sorry he got caught, and was now an enemy of the Lord, and despised by His other enemies.

There was nothing sorrowful nor noble about him: he was a traitor that did not humble himself to seek forgiveness.



Satan knew who He was, even as the devils that knew He was the Son of the most high God.

Satan tempts to sin, because that is what the devil does. He can't do anything else than tempt and falsely accuse. He's the devil.

Jesus was tempted, because He was a man. God is not tempted at all; therefore, as a man Jesus was God in the flesh, but not God on the throne.

Man is allowed by God to be tempted on earth, because that is why God made man a little lower than the angels in mortal flesh: to be tried with temptation to obey God, or to disobey God as Lucifer in a spiritual body did.



Satan never collaborates with God.

The same power God has over Satan, so does any man, if he knows the fight at hand:

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Any man on earth can resist the devil to murder, if he wants to. But Christians resist the devil to lust by submitting ourselves to the grace and divine power of God.

Judas was nothing like Job in the end. They were both tested, and one stood firm not to accuse God, and the other did not.

Judas accused Jesus of being a blasphemer to them accusing Him of being the same. He chose sides. Jesus was not the Christ that Judas wanted.

I would submit the OP is speculation.

A long time ago I would have argued with that one who insists eternal salvation in Christ is false.
That anti-gospel rhetoric that insists the false doctrine, as they call it, that is eternal salvation,eternal security in Christ is an invitation to sin. Because its believers think they can do anything they want and are still assured heaven.

However, as I've browsed numerous BDF's on the Internet I realized in every community that permits it, there exists the purveyors of anti-gospel rhetoric.
They cannot be reached by me or any indwelt Christian.

Only God changes hearts and minds.
Which is why anit-gospel threads left to their maker and supporters reiterates scriptures for those who are in Christ.
1 Corinthians 2. As a start.

 

[BeyondET]

Man is the only living being created by God to have two natures: one spiritual and one natural.

God is the eternal Spirit that creates both immortal spiritual beings and naturally living creatures : spiritual beings have thought, intent, and imagination like God, and natural creatures are mortal flesh.

(Ezek 28:15)(Psalms 139:13-16)

Both angels and man are perfectly created spiritual beings with thought, intents, and imagination in the likeness of God's own spiritual Being and Life. This is why Scripture also refers to angels as sons of God. (Job 38)

Angels were created before the natural heaven and earth, and man is created during the heaven and earth with natural bodies.

And so, man is the only created being by God, that has the Dual Nature of both spiritual being and natural body. He is created spiritually as the angels, but made a little lower than the angels with natural bodies of mortal flesh.

All other living creatures on earth are naturally made and born, having spirits, but are not spiritual beings with thought, intent, and imagination.

This is where Scripture divides man from all other natural living creatures, by lightening every man coming into the world with the intelligent light of Christ. (John 1)

This is also where Scripture reveals the truth that Jesus Christ was fully man with dual nature, having come down from heaven in the flesh, being naturally born with mortal body like all men.

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

He was not an angel or spirit coming in a temporary appearance of physical body, as the Lord and angels did in the OT.

With the Lord, angels have taken on the form of physical bodies, but can never be natural born with one: neither devils nor demons can appear in natural form, and an antichrist is not an incarnate son of the devil.

And so, all men, including Jesus, having two natures, the soul being spiritual within, and the body being natural without.

It is not true than any created being of Christ can have two natures of being good and evil, righteous and sinful. That is a theology made to explain or justify what is not explainable neither ever justifiable: why any angel or man created by Christ would ever spiritually destroy themselves by willfully sinning against God.

There is no explanation for why, but there is for how: All spiritual beings are created by Christ with the perfect will to please God, but also having the free will to choose not to, but to please themselves instead contrary to the commandment and spoken will of God.

Forgot about the fruit consumed mixed with human genes.

Good thing they didn't eat of the tree of life also and live for ever

 

[robert derrick]

A long time ago I would have argued with that one who insists eternal salvation in Christ is false.

If you can show how I am teaching this by what I write, then I'd be glad to hear and perhaps even correct it.

The rest is just haughty rhetoric.

 

[robert derrick]

Forgot about the fruit consumed mixed with human genes.

Good thing they didn't eat of the tree of life also and live for ever

Now that at least is an interesting effort.

However, Jesus says no:

Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

It was not the devil they ate, nor any sin nature, but just fruit.

I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.

Nothing created by Christ, whether spiritual or natural is sinful and unclean of itself. If anyone esteems something unclean, whether meat, drink, or fruit, it doesn't make it unclean, but only means we ought not override conscience and partake of it.

Also, the tree of life is for the spirit, not the flesh; otherwise, no saint in Christ Jesus would ever die physically, nor would Jesus have died on the cross:

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

In the new heaven and earth, there will be such healing of the natural bodies. (Rev 22:2)

In the meantime, nothing naturally made can be eaten to altar DNA and genes in mortal flesh and bones, nor as Jesus said, to make one sinful.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

If you can show how I am teaching this by what I write, then I'd be glad to hear and perhaps even correct it.

The rest is just haughty rhetoric.

Anyone,like yourself, who denies eternal salvation is eternal because it is a license to sin is engaging in haughty rhetoric.

And are outright lying as they abrogate the actual gospel.

 

[robert derrick]

Anyone,like yourself, who denies eternal salvation is eternal because it is a license to sin is engaging in haughty rhetoric.

And are outright lying as they abrogate the actual gospel.

As I said. Just haughty rhetoric, no correction.

When you want to show where and how I teach that, then please do.

Until then your abrogation is useless to me.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

As I said. Just haughty rhetoric, no correction. Your abrogation is useless.

You don't recall your haughty rhetoric?
Let me remind you.
You abrogate the gospel. That's acting the fool.
OSAS Declares Jesus not Enough Not to Sin

 

[robert derrick]

You don't recall your haughty rhetoric?
Let me remind you.
You abrogate the gospel. That's acting the fool.
OSAS Declares Jesus not Enough Not to Sin

As I said, if you would like to point to something I write, and show how that means I teach against eternal salvation in Christ Jesus, then I'd be glad to see it. And if you do have a valid point, then I'd be glad to correct myself, so as not to be misleading in what I write.

I really am interested, which is why I take this much time. Otherwise, your accusation is meaningless to me.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

As I said, if you would like to point to something I write, and show how that means I teach against eternal salvation in Christ Jesus, then I'd be glad to see it. And if you do have a valid point, then I'd be glad to correct myself, so as not to be misleading in what I write.

I really am interested, which is why I take this much time. Otherwise, your accusation is meaningless to me.

Your own thread is evidence against you.
No one needs to argue with you. They just need to read you blaspheme the gospel to know what you are.

 

[robert derrick]

Your own thread is evidence against you.
No one needs to argue with you. They just need to read you blaspheme the gospel to know what you are.

I'm not inviting an argument. I really want to know where you see I am teaching something that I don't intend to teach.

So seriously, just show something I've written, and show me how that means I am teaching against everlasting salvation in Christ.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

I'm not inviting an argument. I really want to know where you see I am teaching something that I don't intend to teach.

So seriously, just show something I've written, and show me how that means I am teaching against everlasting salvation in Christ.

''Although we know by all the sinning OSAS says they can not stop doing, that Jesus is not enough to stop them from their sinning, nor anyone else, but until now none of them have openly said it.

Now one of them says Jesus and His love is a good antidote for sinning less, but not a perfect One. At any time Christians can be sinning less, but at no time can any Christian not be sinning at all.

Jesus the good Physician is indeed pretty good, just not Perfect.

And so now the obvious is plainly spoken: the OSAS Christ is only capable of less sinning.

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. ''