Earth, Created to stand forever

[bbyrd009]

When this tribulation breaks forth believe you everyone will receive it at the same time, because it will be world wide.

well, imo that would at least be something new under the sun i guess. And all of the previous generations' evildoers, they are just like exempt from this "great" tribulation? If you die soon enough, you get a pass?

What might a Rohingya think of this perspective, i wonder

 

[verzanumi24]

There's a big difference between being seen by 500 individuals who can sit or stand in front of you and 7 billion individuals doing the same. What if some of the people standing in front of you are taller than you?

The over 500 hundred were not in the same place together. You have little to no faith in what God can do.

 

[verzanumi24]

What did you do, rip out a few pages from the bible that disagree with your interpretations, chuckle,chuckle?

“There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.”

And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being (a soul).” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly (spirit begotten). And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man (a spirit being, and that of the highest nature, the Divine nature).” 1 Cor 15:40-49

It say spiritual body, it doesn't say spirit body. Life giving spirit is not referring to Jesus' body, but the spirit that is in Jesus.

 

[ScottA]

The physical body that Jesus have is not an Earthly body, but it's still a physical body.

That is just what you [wrongly] believe - it's not biblical.

Go ahead, show us the scriptures.

...Oh, and remember: "When your belief conflicts with the scripture, the right thing to do is change your belief to that of what the scripture tells you. That's what it means to be humble and teachable. You cannot grow spiritually if you refuse to change when you are wrong."

 

[verzanumi24]

That is just what you [wrongly] believe - it's not biblical.

Go ahead, show us the scriptures.

...Oh, and remember: "When your belief conflicts with the scripture, the right thing to do is change your belief to that of what the scripture tells you. That's what it means to be humble and teachable. You cannot grow spiritually if you refuse to change when you are wrong."

I have shown from the scripture what Jesus said, and you didn't believe and you are asking me again to show you more scriptures? If you didn't believe what Jesus said, why would you believe if I were to show you more? Are you looking for more scripture to disbelieve?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

With this thought we must disagree,

As is per the usual with most beliefs the pendulum tends to swing a bit too far one way or another, as there are those who advocate an actual visible appearance of our returned Lord, whether in spirit or in flesh so too there are those of the other extreme who claim that our Lord’s Second Advent does not involve his actual presence here on earth at all, but rather as was alluded to by our friend here, he simply intervenes in the affairs of earth, that is to say he turns his face or attention earthward to finish the work appointed. He himself remains in heaven sitting upon his throne even as the Father sits upon his throne, and from there he employs various agencies at his disposal whether human or angelic, animate or inanimate to accomplish the work.

The scriptures however contradict this idea altogether, three of noteworthy are the following,

“Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence (face) of the Lord (GOD), and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive (retain) until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:19-21)

Here we have the Word of the Lord which clearly states that at the time appointed God will send his Son once more to accomplish his will.

“This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:11)

This “same Jesus” howbeit now highly exalted, (a spirit being of the very same nature as that of the Father) will come again in like manner as he left, quietly, secretly, without great show or fanfare known (seen) only by his faithful and watchful servants, but of prime importance here is the fact that HE will come again.

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.” (1 Thess 4:16, 17)

Here once again a physical appearance of the Lord is prophesied. Although this particular text uses highly figurative language it nevertheless depicts the Lord as descending from the heavens which heretofore had retained him until the appointed time. Here the last members of the body, the “feet of him” are joined with him in the air, not in heaven (at least not right away), but in the air, in the earth’s atmosphere.

Acts 3:19-21-At that time, Peter foretold, Jehovah would “send forth” his Son in the sense that He would allow Jesus to carry out his role as the central figure in God’s purposes. The Bible describes the event in symbolic language: “And [God’s heavenly organization] gave birth to a son, a male, [God’s Kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ] who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod.”—Revelation 12:5.
Acts 1:11 I disagree that anyone including his disciples on earth will literally see him if that is what you are trying to say here if not my bad.
the only ones who will literally see Jesus is those of the Heavenly calling who are resurrected into Heaven.

1Thess.4:16,17
anointed Christians who died before Christ’s presence were raised to heavenly life ahead of those who were still alive during Christ’s presence. This means that the first resurrection must have begun early in Christ’s presence, and it continues “during his presence.” (1 Corinthians 15:23) Rather than occurring all at once, the first resurrection takes place over a period of time.


Jesus descends, that is, turns his attention to them, and resurrects them to spirit life, giving them “a white robe.” Afterward, those who are still alive as humans finish their earthly course, many of them dying violently at the hands of opposers. They do not, however, sleep in death as their predecessors did. Rather, when they die, they are instantly changed—“in the twinkling of an eye”—caught away to the heavens to be with Jesus and fellow members of the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:50-52

I see nothing in 1Thess. 4:16,17 that makes me believe that Jesus will literally be in our atmosphere and resurrect any of the anointed into our atmosphere. Earths atmosphere is not the home Jesus prepared for them, why wouldn't Jesus simply resurrect those of the heavenly calling straight into Heaven, what's the purpose of resurrecting them into our atmosphere first and spending any amount of time there, like I said it is not their home that Jesus prepare for them. I disagree with a literal physical appearance by Jesus because I believe it contradicts scripture, I'm not going to agree with a literal physical appearance by Jesus simply because the words "meet the Lord in the air" are in this scripture.

 

[rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that m (mass) = E/c2 (Energy)… And there are three varieties…

Natural (mass) – God put everything together with Energy and light
Intellectual E/c2 – Our thinking can produce a spiritual light
Spiritual E/ 2 – Energy (Motivation, warmth, love) Light (Faith, hope. charity, joy)…

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

I can see the E/c2 that is holding the mass together disassociating into its energy and light.

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. - 2 Peter 3

I can then see the same E/c2 re-associating into mass to form a new heaven and a new earth, as the Father wills. In that place, as Peter says, will dwell all manner of righteousness.

The mass will turn into light and energy (melt with fervent heat)

m (mass) = E/c2 (Energy)

And God will take all that energy and light and do something else with it.

E/c2 (Energy) = m (mass)

 

[ScottA]

I have shown from the scripture what Jesus said, and you didn't believe and you are asking me again to show you more scriptures? If you didn't believe what Jesus said, why would you believe if I were to show you more? Are you looking for more scripture to disbelieve?

You did not present any scriptures that show Jesus entered the kingdom of heaven in "physical body" as you claim. You only presented scripture that shows that "He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight."

So...so us the scriptures. Or concede, that you only assumed what you believe and yet the scriptures do not show it.

Oh, and then do the "humble" thing you claimed was the thing to do "When your belief conflicts with the scripture."

 

[Truth7t7]

That's correct. That's the same kind of body all of Jesus' glorified brothers and sisters will have.

Philippians 3:21 (KJV)
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

It's called a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV)
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Notice that it say a spiritual body and not a spirit body. It's a body that does not need air, food, water to sustain it. It's a body though still physical, it is not subjected to the laws of physics.

I agree 100%, the eternal gorified body of flesh and bone that has no need for blood to keep it alive.

 

[verzanumi24]

You did not present any scriptures that show Jesus entered the kingdom of heaven in "physical body" as you claim. You only presented scripture that shows that "He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight."

So...so us the scriptures. Or concede, that you only assumed what you believe and yet the scriptures do not show it.

Oh, and then do the "humble" thing you claimed was the thing to do "When your belief conflicts with the scripture."

I believe what those scriptures say which I have presented. So I assumed nothing, period. The reason why you have a problem with it is because it conflicts with what you believe.

 

[Harvest 1874]

well, imo that would at least be something new under the sun i guess. And all of the previous generations' evildoers, they are just like exempt from this "great" tribulation? If you die soon enough, you get a pass?

What might a Rohingya think of this perspective, i wonder

If you should miss it, consider it a blessing, however according to one of our Lord's prophecies found in Luke 13:32, there's a good chance the great time of trouble will follow shortly after 2033 A.D., so you have about 15-20 years to prepare, of course this is only speculation.

As for why only a certain generation should suffer this great tribulation,

"The Lord represents that he keeps a very strict account of all the world’s affairs. He explains that the severe tribulations which came upon the Jewish nation in the close of its harvest time were a retributive experience. In that awful trouble with which their age ended, as our Lord foretold, the Lord required all the righteous blood shed from the time of righteous Abel down to about that time. In a word, every injustice cries out for vengeance, for retribution, for penalty. The great original sin, whose penalty is death, our Lord Jesus has paid, dying, the just for the unjust. But there are many sins, many injustices of the past as well as of the present, which are still unaccounted for to justice . . . The great time of trouble with which this age will end will, like the time of trouble which closed the Jewish age will signify a time of settlement of the claims of justice."

 

[Harvest 1874]

It say spiritual body, it doesn't say spirit body. Life giving spirit is not referring to Jesus' body, but the spirit that is in Jesus.

No it's not, you are confused.

 

[bbyrd009]

ha, priceless. Guess i better admit i am confused too
haven't found three ppl who all speak the same language yet lol

If you should miss it, consider it a blessing, however according to one of our Lord's prophecies found in Luke 13:32, there's a good chance the great time of trouble will follow shortly after 2033 A.D., so you have about 15-20 years to prepare, of course this is only speculation.

what i mostly dislike about these is how...disconnected? or something, that they are from today, and reality. The opinion of a Rohingya on this matter comes to mind currently, but being Muslims you might not consider them to be a part of your "our" up there i guess; but see the point if you would. Essentially today has enough trouble in it.

This looking for trouble in some unrealized tomorrow at the expense of today is tempting, i understand, but i would pause and reflect there wadr. I'm sure Harvey Weinstein would get a chuckle out of it, or anyone who understands where the dollar is at right now--considerably less than ten years from insolvency at the rate we are borrowing--and whereas Weinstein might not be considered in "our," many "ours" are committed to dollars i guess right. So see the point there

 

[ScottA]

I believe what those scriptures say which I have presented. So I assumed nothing, period. The reason why you have a problem with it is because it conflicts with what you believe.

Thus, you believe something that the scriptures do not say, nor can you show that they do, and therefore you deceive yourself.

Admit it. Nowhere do the scriptures say that Jesus entered the kingdom of heaven in a "physical body."

 

[Truth7t7]

No it's not, you are confused.

No confusion, exactly what the scripture states.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thus, you believe something that the scriptures do not say, nor can you show that they do, and therefore you deceive yourself.

Admit it. Nowhere do the scriptures say that Jesus entered the kingdom of heaven in a "physical body."

Jesus Christ Maintained A Glorified Body Of "Flesh And Bone" On Earth After The Resurrection.

No Place In Scripture Does It State This Body Didn't Enter The Eternal Spiritual.

Just As Angels Maintain Tangible Bodies That Eat And Drink, But Are Eternal.

Abraham And Lot Both Ate With Eternal Angels, That Were Tangible.

 

[ScottA]

Jesus Christ Maintained A Glorified Body Of "Flesh And Bone" On Earth After The Resurrection.

No Place In Scripture Does It State This Body Didn't Enter The Eternal Spiritual.

Just As Angels Maintain Tangible Bodies That Eat And Drink, But Are Eternal.

Abraham And Lot Both Ate With Eternal Angels, That Were Tangible.

Those things are all manifest in the world...but God is spirit.

Jesus' body of flesh and bone was after His resurrection, but before His ascension. But don't think that just because He was manifest again after the resurrection to show His victory over death, that flesh inherits the kingdom of heaven or that God is not spirit. So, anyone who wants to maintain that Jesus is God, needs to change their thinking.

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[Truth7t7]

Those things are all manifest in the world...but God is spirit.

Jesus' body of flesh and bone was after His resurrection, but before His ascension. But don't think that just because He was manifest again after the resurrection to show His victory over death, that flesh inherits the kingdom of heaven or that God is not spirit. So, anyone who wants to maintain that Jesus is God, needs to change their thinking.

1 Corinthians 15:44
It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

I believe your perception of "Spiritual Body" is not complete?

Jesus Christ in his glorified tangible body of flesh and bone was 100% spiritual eternal.

The Angels that ate with Abraham And Lot were eternal "Spiritual Beings" with tangible bodies that ate and drank.

Possibly the world's
impression of female angels with long hair, harps, floating around in the air?

"Human Flesh And Blood" can't inherit the kingdom.

Jesus Christ Maintains Glorified Flesh And Bone, That Is Eternal.

Ephesians 5:30KJV
For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

In Love

 

[verzanumi24]

Thus, you believe something that the scriptures do not say, nor can you show that they do, and therefore you deceive yourself.

Admit it. Nowhere do the scriptures say that Jesus entered the kingdom of heaven in a "physical body."

LOL I'm done here.

 

[verzanumi24]

No it's not, you are confused.

I'm done.