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There's a number of sabbaths in Scripture besides the routine week-end.
There are also:

» Sabbath years (Lev 25:1-7 & Ex 23:10-11)

» The first and final days of Passover, a.k.a. the seven-day Feast Of Unleavened Bread (Ex
12:16, Lev 23:5-8)

» Yom Kippur (Lev 16:29-31)

» The Feast of Trumpets (Lev 23:23-25) and,

» The first and eighth day of the seven-day Feast of Tabernacles a.k.a. Sukkot. (Lev 23:34-36)

The word "sabbath" is sometimes construed to indicate a quantity equal to
seven and/or the numeral 7, but it really only means intermission, i.e. a
pause; for example in music when the performers encounter a rest symbol
on the page, it indicates a specified moment of silence.

Passover sabbath is interesting. The routine sabbath always falls on the very
same day of the week every time. But Passover sabbath floats relative to the
moon; hence it can, and it does, occur on any given day of the week;
sometimes even coincident with the routine sabbath; for example 2018 and
2019, and sometimes consecutive with the routine sabbath; for example
2008.

It's sometimes objected that whereas Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets
are specifically called sabbaths (Lev 16:29-34, Lev 23:23-25) Passover
sabbath-- a.k.a. the first day of the feast of unleavened bread --isn't. It's set
aside for an holy convocation which just simply means a sacred assembly.
But it's also added that no manner of work shall be done on that day; which
is exactly what a sabbath is all about. (Gen 2:1-3) In reality, the objection is
just semantic nit picking.

Passover sabbath (John 19:31) easily escapes people's notice so they end up
counting only one of the sabbaths related to Christ's crucifixion and
resurrection. By failing to reckon with the Passover sabbath, they end up
stuck with the Good Friday model; which of course is unworkable because by
no stretch of the imagination can three nights be accounted for in that
weekend seeing as how the Jews' first day of the week falls on Sunday.
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@Matthias

Hello;

This is to inform you that I don't have the patience to be distracted by your
remarks so I've placed you on my ignore list. Others will still be able to view
your posts; just not me. Sorry.
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@Matthias

Hello;

This is to inform you that I don't have the patience to be distracted by your
remarks so I've placed you on my ignore list. Others will still be able to view
your posts; just not me. Sorry.
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Thank you for your courtesy. It is the mark and act of a gentleman.
 

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Acts 1:1-3 . . The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that
Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when he was taken up, after he
had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. To
these he also presented himself alive, after his suffering, by many
convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days.

Some of those "convincing proofs" were:

Jesus' resurrection retained indications of the injuries he received on the
cross. (John 20:27)

His resurrection was a physical form, i.e. it could be handled and it could be
seen with the naked eye. (Matt 28:8-9, Luke 24:39-40, John 20:27)

His resurrection experienced hunger, and was capable of dining upon
ordinary foods. (Luke 24:41-42)

A pretty large percentage of folks identifying themselves as Christians in our
day are in agreement with those proofs, but the properties of his resurrection
are very controversial.

Some insist Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life as it was, while
others insist it was restored to life with miraculous improvements, and yet
others insist Jesus' crucified dead body wasn't restored to life at all, i.e. it's
still dead; and his remains are squirreled away somewhere on the earth in a
condition, and a location, known only to God. In other words, in some
people's opinion: Jesus' resurrection was in the form of a spirit being instead
of a physical being.
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Acts 1:1-3 . . The first account I composed, Theophilus, about all that
Jesus began to do and teach, until the day when he was taken up, after he
had by the Holy Spirit given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. To
these he also presented himself alive, after his suffering, by many
convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days.

Some of those "convincing proofs" were:

Jesus' resurrection retained indications of the injuries he received on the
cross. (John 20:27)

His resurrection was a physical form, i.e. it could be handled and it could be
seen with the naked eye. (Matt 28:8-9, Luke 24:39-40, John 20:27)

His resurrection experienced hunger, and was capable of dining upon
ordinary foods. (Luke 24:41-42)

A pretty large percentage of folks identifying themselves as Christians in our
day accept those proofs, but not all are in agreement as to the properties of
his resurrection.

Some insist Jesus' crucified dead body was restored to life as it was, while
others insist it was restored to life with miraculous improvements, and yet
others insist Jesus' crucified dead body wasn't restored to life at all, i.e. it's
still dead; and his remains are squirreled away somewhere on the earth in a
condition, and a location, known only to God. In other words, in some
people's opinion: Jesus' resurrection was in the form of a spirit being instead
of a physical being.
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His resurrection = he. He experienced these things. Newbies need to be clear on this.
 

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Below is a passage utilized as proof text to defend a belief that Jesus was
restored to life as an angel instead of the man he was before the cross.

"For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that
He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made
alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the
spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God
kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark." (1Pet
3:18-20)

It's true that Jesus today has a so-called glorified body. (Phil 3:21) And it's
true that one of his glorified body's properties is immortality. (Rom 6:9,
1Tim 6:14-15, and Rev 1:18)

But although Jesus' glorified body is immortal, it is still capable of dining
upon ordinary foods and beverages; and will do so in the kingdom. (Matt
26:29, Luke 22:15-16, Luke 22:28-30)

In other words: when Jesus' body underwent its miraculous upgrade to
immortality, the process didn't transform him into a different species of life,
viz: Jesus today is still human.

1Tim 2:5 . . For there is one God, and one mediator between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus.

The Greek word translated "men" and "man" in that verse is anthropos
(anth'-ro pos) a very common word throughout the New Testament for
indicating human life.

So; there are at least four things about Jesus today that we can be certain:

1) He's alive

2) He's immortal

3) He's capable of dining upon ordinary foods and beverages and,

4) He's an h.sapiens, i.e. a human life.

There's a fifth thing: Jesus' gender. Throughout the Bible, beginning with
Melchizedek in the book of Genesis; priests have always been humans and
they've always been males. God has never appointed a woman to that
position. In point of fact; God has never appointed women to be priests of
any kind let alone high priests.

Of Jesus it's said:

"Jehovah has sworn and will not change His mind-- You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek." (Ps 110:4)

"He was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek"
(Heb 5:10)

Melchizedek's order is immortal (Heb 7:1-3 & Heb 7:23-25) viz: Jesus today
is not only a man, but he's a permanent man, i.e. he'll never be a woman
nor will he ever be an angel.

"For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants. For this
reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he
might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God" (Heb
2:15-17)


FAQ: If 1Pet 3:18-20 isn't relative to Jesus' resurrection; then what?

REPLY: It's relative to Gen 6:3, viz: 1Pet 3:18-20 is an excellent text that
Jesus (a.k.a. the Word) is a theophany, i.e. Jehovah's spirit in human form.
And an astonishing theophany it is because, in effect, the human side of
Jesus' origin places "My spirit" in a pedigree with Adam.
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Jesus today has a so-called glorified body. (Phil 3:21) One of its outstanding
properties is immortality. (Rom 6:9, 1Tim 6:14-15, and Rev 1:18)

Now, although Jesus' body today is immortal, it's still capable of dining upon
ordinary foods and beverages; and will do so in the future. (Matt 26:29,
Luke 22:15-16, Luke 22:28-30)

When Jesus' body underwent its miraculous upgrade to immortality, the
process didn't transform him into a different species of life, viz: Jesus today
is still human.

1Tim 2:5 . . For there is one God, and one mediator between God and
men, the man Christ Jesus.

The Greek word translated "men" and "man" in that verse is anthropos
(anth'-ro pos) a very common word throughout the New Testament for
identifying human beings of either of the Bible's two genders, i.e. males and
females.

So; there are at least four things about Jesus today that we can be certain:

1) He's alive

2) He's immortal

3) He's capable of dining upon ordinary foods and beverages and,

4) He's an h.sapiens, i.e. a human being.

There's a fifth: Jesus' gender. Throughout the Bible, beginning with
Melchizedek in the book of Genesis; high priests have always been males.
God has never appointed a woman to that position. In point of fact; God has
never appointed women to be priests of any kind let alone high priests.

Of Jesus it is said:

"For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham's descendants. For this
reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he
might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God" (Heb
2:15-17)

And:

"Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your
thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess." (Heb 3:1)

See also Heb 4:14-15, 5:1, 5:5, 5:10, 6:20, 7:26, 8:1, & 9:11
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Females are included in the priesthood of all believers.
 

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“Get this deep into your soul, ‘Christ died for me,’ and you will soon be ready to die for him.” - Charles Spurgeon
 

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A tradition in some religious circles:

”The most sacred hours during Good Friday are from 12 (noon) to 3 pm, because traditionally, this is when Jesus was on the Cross. They’re sometimes known as the 3 hours of agony.

During this time, hold silence in your home. If you have children, encourage them to do the same (to the best of their ability). Turn off the phones, TV, and other devices. Pray, read from the trial and crucifixion sections in Scripture. …”

(GOOD FRIDAY AT HOME EXPERIENCE GUIDE: OBSERVE SILENCE FROM 12-3 PM)


I’m writing this neither to affirm nor to denounce the tradition. I will say that I don’t think it’s a bad thing, unless it is forced on people.

I meet few who observe it and multitudes who have never heard of it.

Just wondering. Do any members of the forum practice this tradition?
 

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FAQ: Was Jesus' crucified dead body resurrected in a glorified form, or as it
was before the cross?


REPLY: Jesus predicted his body would be restored-- he didn't predict it
would be replaced and/or improved. (John 2:18-22)


FAQ: But wasn't his resurrected body able to do things that his normal body
never did; like pass thru closed doors and to suddenly appear and
disappear?


REPLY: If Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego could walk thru fire in a normal
body, then I should think it not all that difficult for Jesus to pass thru walls in
a normal body.

And if Philip could be instantly transported in a normal body, they for sure
Jesus could too.

The properties of one's body do not determine what God can do with it, or
cannot do, viz: when analyzing miracles, I suggest we avoid differentiating
between the possible and the impossible. (cf. Luke 1:34-37)
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1Cor 15:35 . . How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do
they come?

Everything that we know of in the cosmos-- all life, matter, and energy --is
composed of elements listed in the so-called periodic table. (There was a
time when every one of those elements were indigenous, but now several of
them are invasive, viz: man-made.)

Well; it seems reasonable to me that if God was intelligent enough,
resourceful enough, and capable enough, to create the elements we know
of, then it shouldn't be too difficult for Him to create any number of
elements that we don't know of. (I think it safe to assume that the world
above is quite a bit unlike our world below.)

1Cor 15:50 . . This I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit
God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

(According to John 3:3-12, God's kingdom will be established on Earth.)

Now; if I am reading the 15th chapter of 1st Corinthians correctly, then
verse 50 refers to Adam, i.e. to the original chemistry of the human body.
It's very possible that Jesus' glorified body is composed of elements nobody
has ever heard of; so that instead of it transparent as thin air, it exists as
heretofore unknown material easily seen by the naked eye.

Acts 1:11 . . Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This
Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the
same way as you have watched him go into heaven.

1 John 3:2 . .We shall see him just as he is.

Rev 1:7 . . Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see
him, even those who pierced him.
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Bodily resurrection is the way, the only way, a deceased human person is restored to life.

Jesus of Nazareth was deceased. Bodily resurrection restored him to life; to the life of the age to come.
 

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FAQ: Jesus' body was easy to restore to life because it was all in one place and still
intact. (Ps 16:8-10, Acts 2:25-32) How can a corpse be returned to life that's been
obliterated by a bomb, or eaten and digested by beasts, or cremated, or rotted away
due to lack of embalming?


REPLY: Not everyone sleeping in the dust per Dan 12:2 is doing so as a corpse. In
time, left to nature, everyone's body decomposes enough to disappear altogether. But
regardless of how someone's body is disposed, destroyed and/or disintegrated; it can
be rebuilt from scratch just as easily as Adam's body was built from scratch in the
beginning.


FAQ: Supposing some of the atoms that made my body go into making another person's
body after mine is dead and dissolved back to dust? How will God fully restore both our
bodies to life seeing as how He will have need of the atoms of each of us to do so?


REPLY: The chemical constitution of the various natural atoms listed on the periodic
table are identical; it's not as if they're snowflakes; viz: if God needs some carbon atoms
to reconstruct your body, He could utilize carbon atoms from a Sequoia cactus and they
would work just fine without the slightest need for adjustment because every carbon
atom on earth is a precise duplicate of every other carbon atom on earth; viz: all carbon
atoms are just one kind of carbon atom, i.e. the carbon atoms in your body are not
unique.

So it isn't necessary for God to locate all your original carbon atoms in order to
reconstruct your original body; He just needs carbon atoms; and they are very plentiful
in nature: same with other kinds of atoms, e.g. iron, calcium, phosphorus, sodium,
magnesium, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc.
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