Elect or Not Elect: Why ALL Should Be Alarmed

[Stumpmaster]

Therefore according to John, his scroll was extremly limited my friend.

Seems you are advocating a heavy yoke.

Sixty-six books is enough for me. Any more would be repetitive and overburdening.

 

[One 2 question]

God caused men to compile it according to His will.

Absolutely agree!

But you aren't saying that He is not going to impart more of His story to us beyond what's recorded in the 66 books are you?

Or are you saying that the Creators have revealed the never ending story of Their existence within a 66 volume book collection referred to as the bible?

 

[One 2 question]

Seems you are advocating a heavy yoke.

Sixty-six books is enough for me. Any more would be repetitive and overburdening.

Not at all. I don't carry any book to be honest with you nor burden anyone with such a burden. In fact I encourage people to consider carrying one entity with them and He is so light that they wouldn't even know they are carrying Him.

So the complete body of truth is extremly light and He is the Spirit of Truth Who leads us into ALL truth according to the Word When He had become flesh.

From personal experience with being a mobile home for the Spirit of Truth, He just keeps revealing new truths that are life changing as we travel along the road of life together.

By the way, what other things did Jesus do that aren't recorded in the bible?

 

[Stumpmaster]

By the way, what other things did Jesus do that aren't recorded in the bible?

Nothing I need to know about.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Call it what you will.

Like you, I know God is in full control of everything in the universe.

I know that the bible in its scope and volume is extremly incomplete and not exhaustive by any stretch of the imagination. I don't know who the first person was to come up with this idea. He or she mustn't know their Creators very well or have read the content of their bible.

Maybe they only had access to one of the first bibles which didn't contain John's gospel which said right at the end,
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Jhn 21:24&25

Therefore according to John, his scroll was extremly limited my friend.

I guess John didn't know there were going to be others documenting what Jesus did. But enough to fill the planet? Maybe not.

You contradict yourself, saying that God is in full control of everything then go onto suggest that Gods Word is extremely incomplete. The canon of scripture was completed and closed with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, given to John. If you're suggesting that God failed to reveal something to us, then I have to reject your opinion and trust in God instead of your private opinion.

You fail to understand that God deliberately held back many things from us. If He revealed everything that is yet to happen, it would blow our puny little minds to smithereens. We should thank God for hiding those terrible things from us, He hides them for our own protection but wise guys come along and say silly things like God failed to communicate the whole truth to us.

God gave us more than we can handle as it is, you can spend your whole life studying the Bible and you would die of old age, still not having learned everything. You want more, but you can't even eat what's on your plate.

Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

 

[Christian Soldier]

Maybe there needs to be a bit of background to your use of the words, 'His Word'. Can you elaborate and clarifty it for us.
Thanks

Every Word in the Bible is Gods Word from cover to cover. If you don't believe this, then you have not yet come to believe that God is almighty and your view of God is low.

I have to repeat it to you again "God is in full control of every single thing in the universe" nothing can happen outside of His will, so if you're suggesting that the Bible is a random bunch of writings from some ancient goat herders, then you have fallen for the lies of the Devil.

Every Word in the Bible is God breathed, I'm sure you believe this as all Christians do.

 

[One 2 question]

You contradict yourself, saying that God is in full control of everything then go onto suggest that Gods Word is extremely incomplete. The canon of scripture was completed and closed with the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, given to John. If you're suggesting that God failed to reveal something to us, then I have to reject your opinion and trust in God instead of your private opinion.

You fail to understand that God deliberately held back many things from us. If He revealed everything that is yet to happen, it would blow our puny little minds to smithereens. We should thank God for hiding those terrible things from us, He hides them for our own protection but wise guys come along and say silly things like God failed to communicate the whole truth to us.

God gave us more than we can handle as it is, you can spend your whole life studying the Bible and you would die of old age, still not having learned everything. You want more, but you can't even eat what's on your plate.

Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

By all means, you stay within the confines of this book. It seems you are content and satisfied with that. And may you be blessed in there.

I hope you can bless those of us who are content on being led by the Spirit into all truth be it found in the bible and outside the bible.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Absolutely agree!

But you aren't saying that He is not going to impart more of His story to us beyond what's recorded in the 66 books are you?

Or are you saying that the Creators have revealed the never ending story of Their existence within a 66 volume book collection referred to as the bible?

Every believer already possesses eternal life, but our minds are limited while we're in this body of death. But once we die and receive our glorified immortal bodies and minds, then God will reveal a lot more and we will continue to keep learning more about Him throughout all eternity, but we will never know everything about Him because He is infinite, in wisdom and power.

 

[Christian Soldier]

By all means, you stay within the confines of this book. It seems you are content and satisfied with that. And may you be blessed in there.

I hope you can bless those of us who are content on being led by the Spirit into all truth be it found in the bible and outside the bible.

Jesus said "I am the truth". There is no other truth apart from Christ, the Holy Spirit leads us to learn about Jesus only. The Bible is all about Jesus from cover to cover, and there's nothing outside of the Bible which can teach you something about God. In fact, everything outside of the Bible is of the Devil, Satan is the prince of this world and it's wisdom. That's what you find outside of the Bible.

 

[One 2 question]

Every Word in the Bible is Gods Word from cover to cover. If you don't believe this, then you have not yet come to believe that God is almighty and your view of God is low.

I'm still unclear by what YOU mean by the words, Gods Word.

There are many different understandings from many different people over time of what they think the term 'God's Word' means.

 

[One 2 question]

there's nothing outside of the Bible which can teach you something about God.

THERE IS NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BIBLE THAT CAN TEACH YOU SOMETHING ABOUT GOD

and again......

THERE IS NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BIBLE THAT CAN TEACH YOU SOMETHING ABOUT GOD

 

[Ritajanice]

I'm still unclear by what YOU mean by the words, Gods Word.

There are many different understandings from many different people over time of what they think the term 'God's Word' means.

How about God’s witness His Living Holy Spirit?

Does he not witness / testifies Gods truth to our hearts?

I mean how would I even know that Jesus even existed, without His Spirit witnessing that truth to my spirit?

Are we not Born Again of imperishable seed?

 

[Ritajanice]

In fact, everything outside of the Bible is of the Devil, Satan is the prince of this world and it's wisdom. That's what you find outside of the Bible.

Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit, doesn’t live in the Bible?

The Bible/ penned word backs up Gods Witness His Living Holy Spirit?

Whatever the Spirit testifies/ Witnesses to our spirit is in the penned word of God?

Our spirit is Born Again of imperishable seed, our spirit is not Born Again by the penned word, the Living Holy Spirit backs up His testimony to our spirit, that we are Gods Children, that’s the Living Spirit birth....it’s not penned....it’s a Living divine revelation when we are Born Of The Spirit.

The Spirit is everywhere and the Bible doesn’t contain Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

It reveals and backs up what has already been testified/ witnessed to our spirit, by Gods Living witness His Living Holy Spirit....

 

[Phoneman777]

Anyone is suspect, and their motives questionable, but God knows those who are His.

Yep, I don't trust anything except Scripture - and whatever the news or the "official government report" says, I immediately rule that out.

 

[One 2 question]

THERE IS NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BIBLE THAT CAN TEACH YOU SOMETHING ABOUT GOD

and again......

THERE IS NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BIBLE THAT CAN TEACH YOU SOMETHING ABOUT GOD

Does anyone really believe this besides CS?

everything outside of the Bible is of the Devil, Satan

Again I ask, does anyone really believe this besides CS?

 

[One 2 question]

Jesus said "I am the truth". There is no other truth apart from Christ, the Holy Spirit leads us to learn about Jesus only. The Bible is all about Jesus from cover to cover, and there's nothing outside of the Bible which can teach you something about God. In fact, everything outside of the Bible is of the Devil, Satan is the prince of this world and it's wisdom. That's what you find outside of the Bible.

Just a quick question.

Who did God say is going to sit on Jesus's left and who is going to sit on Jesus's right in His kingdom?

Who did God say is going to sit on His left and who is going to sit on His right in His kingdom?

 

[Ritajanice]

Does anyone really believe this besides CS?

Again I ask, does anyone really believe this besides CS?

Well...the Holy Spirit is outside of the Bible is he not?

You can’t contain Gods Spirit ,he is everywhere.

The Bible backs up everything that the Spirit testifies/ witnesses to our heart/ spirit, ...like Born Again...to understand God’s penned word in one’s spirit, we must be Born Again of imperishable seed.....which is a Living seed, we know who that seed is...he doesn’t live in the Bible...the Spirit has taken up permanent residence in our heart/ spirit....hence Born Again/ Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again of imperishable seed/ Born Of God’s seed, all are the same .....One Holy Spirit....One spirit child of God!....

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

So God can, if He wants to, control good? He can stop good from happening?


So you presume that the significant things that obviously keep the not Elected (not)alive and lead them to miss out on that Divine appointment are structured in the plan?


The thing is that both the Creators and what They created are responsible for what the created thing does or doesn't do.

If I make a sword and that sword ends up killing someone who is responsible for that evil outcome?

Isn't this something to be very grateful to God about my friend. Wouldn't you, if given the opportunity to stop evil, stop it? If you chose not to but later you had the means to forgive everyone, Wouldn't you?

If they ended up suffering in prison for a long time for their crimes and you had the means to pardon them all, wouldn't you?

If you were able to offer them a pardon knowing that every one of them would accept it now that having seen the errors of their way and having
experienced the consequences of their evil deeds, wouldn't you?

I would ask you this, Why wouldn't you?

If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! Mat 7:11

What greater gift can a tried, convicted criminal receive than a pardon or an early release from their incarceration. Oh the gift of redemption and freedom, of a relationship with their Sovereign Loving Creators. Would you desire to deprive them of receiving this precious gift and the never ending joy this will produce them?
And would you desire to deprive your Creator from giving Their precious gift and the never ending joy this will produce in Them?

You have opinions that God will not judge anyone in the end with death. Maybe you don't know what death is? Physical death you know, you've seen it. Spiritual death is likened to physical death as well. Death is the complete end of life, physical and spiritual (as far as humans are concerned). The wages of sin is death. Sin needs to be judged. You are either with Christ or without him. Prior to Christ still, man suppressed the truth about God. God revealed it to them and they chose not to worship and glorify Him. Man is without excuse. Death does not translate into life unless one is drawn to and comes to the Lord Jesus, believes that He died for our sins, was buried amd rose from the dead on the third day and then asks for His forgiveness.
He that believeth in the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him" John 3:36

"shall not see life" - capisce?

 

[One 2 question]

Death does not translate into life unless one is drawn to and comes to the Lord Jesus, believes that He died for our sins, was buried amd rose from the dead on the third day and then asks for His forgiveness.

It excites me to know that the Creators irresistible grace will draw ALL of Their created being to Themselves. That these beings will repent and accept the blood of Christ which will remove their sins. Then these will be accepted and welcomed to join the Creators in Their kingdom. What a reunion party this will be. Now this is gospel, fantastic news for ALL.
And there's more.....

 

[One 2 question]

The Bible backs up everything that the Spirit testifies/ witnesses to our heart/ spirit,

There is so much that the Spirit has done that the bible has not, isn't and will not be able to back up as it doesn't have sufficient information to do so. Some, yes. All, not even close.

The Spirit is revealing the Creators story which will never end as They have no end.

The bible doesn't confirm or deny something the Spirit revealed to me in a vision. It was of something beyond what was told in the bible, beyond God coming to dwell on the new earth.