Equal to Christ!

[theefaith]

How can there be what is?

I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking.



Divine nature is more than possible.



I think you mean by that, is Jesus deity. My answer is no.



My answer is no. The origin of Jesus is in the womb of the his mother.



My answer is yes.

Only his human nature was conceived in his mothers womb

there are two natures in the one person of Christ

only God may be worshipped

Jesus existed before the creation of the world and scripture say only God existed in the beginning

What’s you take on these verses?

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

2 pet 1:3 According as his divine power…….

 

[Matthias]

He is Roman Catholic the head of the church his body!

I wish I had known what you were going to say before I read it with my mouth full!

I’ll be fine. My wife isn’t home. I have time to take care of it before she is.

This is a serious point. I shouldn’t have laughed, and wouldn’t have, if I had been prepared for it.

Jesus is a Jew. The Church looks nothing like the Roman Catholic Church.

Jesus is a Roman Catholic. The Church looks nothing like the 1st century Church, and only has a vague resemblance to the Protestant Church.

I find it hard to believe that a Protestant would agree that Jesus is a Roman Catholic. I find it easier, though still difficult, to believe, that Protestants would agree that Jesus is a trinitarian.

The one God is neither a Jewish monotheist nor a Roman Catholic / Protestant / trinitarian.

The one God himself has no God. He is God.

The Messiah himself does have a God. His God is the Father and none other. The Messiah is a Jewish monotheist.

as I said the church always believes and teaches the same doctrine

The Church always believes and teaches the same doctrine which the Messiah and his apostles taught in the 1st century.

The Church that doesn’t is the Church that has gone astray.

P.S. Our respective faiths mirror one another in certain ways but are at opposite ends of the spectrum. I often find that what you’ve written to me are things which, with a little modification, are what I would have written to you.

 

[Matthias]

Is treason not punishable by death?
The state executes this justice, the good ole USA executed two Jews in the 50’s convicted of communist treason?

I haven’t pledged allegiance to the state. Christians who do may well find themselves killing fellow Christians (and non-Christians) who have pledged their allegiance to different states.

I’m required to obey the state unless or until it acts in a way which is contrary to the teaching and doctrines of the Messiah.

 

[theefaith]

People make their choices and reap what they sow.

That the RCC has excluded me is of no concern to me. Is it your understanding that it excludes non-Catholic trinitarians? Though they have rebelled against the RCC and many of its believes and practices, they have, at least theoretically, retained the doctrine of the Trinity, courtesy of RCC theologians.

I’m part of the body of Messiah united to the one God and other members of the body by faith and baptism. I’m not trinitarian, and neither is the Messiah, the original apostles, the earliest Christians and Christians through the ages who have come to and remained in the faith, persevering to the end.

we must accept the ancient faith of the apostles acts 2:42

 

[theefaith]

Agreed.



When someone sins against my God they need to repent. Upon repenting they will be forgiven.

And received absolution from a priest?

 

[Matthias]

we must accept the ancient faith of the apostles acts 2:42

Agreed.

 

[Matthias]

And received absolution from a priest?

Only the High Priest of my faith.

 

[Matthias]

Here’s a general thought @theefaith: One of us (some would no doubt say, both of us) has accepted a counterfeit.

 

[Matthias]

Who is God to me? The Father.

Who is God to @theefaith?

 

[theefaith]

Here’s a general thought @theefaith: One of us (some would no doubt say, both of us) has accepted a counterfeit.

should we become atheists?

how can we find the true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19

 

[theefaith]

Only the High Priest of my faith.

Jn 20:23?

 

[theefaith]

I haven’t pledged allegiance to the state. Christians who do may well find themselves killing fellow Christians (and non-Christians) who have pledged their allegiance to different states.

I’m required to obey the state unless or until it acts in a way which is contrary to the teaching and doctrines of the Messiah.

The state requires the influence of the church to be just and virtuous

 

[theefaith]

I wish I had known what you were going to say before I read it with my mouth full!

I’ll be fine. My wife isn’t home. I have time to take care of it before she is.

This is a serious point. I shouldn’t have laughed, and wouldn’t have, if I had been prepared for it.

Jesus is a Jew. The Church looks nothing like the Roman Catholic Church.

Of the tribe of Judah yes but the mosaic covenant if finished
The law had three parts
Moral law is eternal!
Jurisdictional law passed from the successors of Moses to Peter and the apostles! Matt 21:43 Matt 16:18-19 Jn 29:21
The ceremonial law was nailed to the cross!

Jesus is a Roman Catholic. The Church looks nothing like the 1st century Church, and only has a vague resemblance to the Protestant Church.

the church is eternal and ir-reformable always the same

I find it hard to believe that a Protestant would agree that Jesus is a Roman Catholic. I find it easier, though still difficult, to believe, that Protestants would agree that Jesus is a trinitarian.

Protestant is only a heretical sect of the tradition of men, no authority from God or Christ or the apostles

The one God is neither a Jewish monotheist nor a Roman Catholic / Protestant / trinitarian.

The one God himself has no God. He is God.

The Messiah himself does have a God. His God is the Father and none other. The Messiah is a Jewish monotheist.

In his human nature yes


The Church always believes and teaches the same doctrine which the Messiah and his apostles taught in the 1st century.

The Church that doesn’t is the Church that has gone astray.

The Protestants and fundamentalists have another gospel

P.S. Our respective faiths mirror one another in certain ways but are at opposite ends of the spectrum. I often find that what you’ve written to me are things which, with a little modification, are what I would have written to you.

we probably agree on 80 percent of catholic dogma!

 

[Matthias]

should we become atheists?

how can we find the true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19

By looking for people who hold the teaching and faith of the Messiah.

 

[Matthias]

should we become atheists?

No.

how can we find the true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19

 

[Matthias]

Jn 20:23?

What is your question about the verse?

 

[Matthias]

The state requires the influence of the church to be just and virtuous

The Church mustn’t influence the state to kill people for their faith.

 

[Matthias]

we probably agree on 80 percent of catholic dogma!

You’re 100% Catholic.

I’m 80% Catholic?

 

[theefaith]

Who is God to me? The Father.

Who is God to @theefaith?

I believe the ancient faith of the apostles acts 2:42 found in the creeds

 

[Matthias]

I believe the ancient faith of the apostles acts 2:42 found in the creeds

The answer I was looking for and expecting was the Trinity.