Eradication of the Adamic (Sinful) Nature?

[Netchaplain]

Due to the relevancy of the doctrine of indwelling sin within the believer, I thought this share-worthy.
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In our zeal to please God we can unknowingly, due to possessing less Scriptural-comprehension than we realize, accept doctrine before confirming Scriptural support; which can result in nothing more than conjecture.

Concerning the eradication of the sin nature (“old man”) during regeneration (born again), it conflicts with a multitude of scriptural doctrine, esp. with Galatians 5:17: "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish."

To me, this is a description of the Adamic nature (old man) and the Holy Spirit co-existing (not cohabitation) within the believer and I think it would be quite an ingenious invention for anyone to explain it otherwise.

There remains also the lack of an explanation for the phrase "so that you do not do the things that you wish;" which implies the ongoing tendency for the believer to do wrong, evincing the presence of the sin nature. I also believe Scripture would be more clear in identifying it's death in like manner as it has concerning our death in Christ, i.e., "For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God" (Col 3:3).

Blessings to your Families!

 

[daq]

You have just expressed, in large part, the underlying thematic purpose of the Book of the Revelation of Yeshua. This concerns a walk in the life of every believer toward that "good end" of receiving the promises, (in the appointed times of each believer individually). When we first believe we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise unto that great day of the redemption of the purchased possession, (the soul of the man is the purchased possession). It is an ongoing war of a spiritual nature until that Great Day yet does have an end in the furthest end. And with the coming of that Great Day of the appointment, ("the Lord's Day") there is no turning back, ("Remember Lot's wife") for there is no more sacrifice for sins to be had. Therefore mortify the deeds of the body and your "members upon the earth" along with "the putting off of the mind of the flesh" and the putting on the mind of Messiah. Blessed are "the dead" who die in Messiah from that day forward; for in that Great Day one enters into the Great Shabbat Rest and "time is no more". So shall we ever be with the Lord. :)

 

[Axehead]

Again, I am going to try to stick with one thread regarding the Biblical explanation of the difference between the "flesh" and the "old man".

 

[Rex]

Due to the relevancy of the doctrine of indwelling sin within the believer, I thought this share-worthy.
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In our zeal to please God we can unknowingly, due to possessing less Scriptural-comprehension than we realize, accept doctrine before confirming Scriptural support; which can result in nothing more than conjecture.

Concerning the eradication of the sin nature (“old man”) during regeneration (born again), it conflicts with a multitude of scriptural doctrine, esp. with Galatians 5:17: "For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish."

To me, this is a description of the Adamic nature (old man) and the Holy Spirit co-existing (not cohabitation) within the believer and I think it would be quite an ingenious invention for anyone to explain it otherwise.

There remains also the lack of an explanation for the phrase "so that you do not do the things that you wish;" which implies the ongoing tendency for the believer to do wrong, evincing the presence of the sin nature. I also believe Scripture would be more clear in identifying it's death in like manner as it has concerning our death in Christ, i.e., "For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God" (Col 3:3).

Blessings to your Families!

I just noticed that Gal 5 confirms what we thought about Romans 7:21-24 that Paul was speaking about the born again or Spirit filled man, and not as some would have us believe that Paul was speaking about his previous zeal for the law before the Spirit entered his life.

Romans 7
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind,
and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

Gal 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh;
and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things
that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Romans 13:14

 

[Netchaplain]

I just noticed that Gal 5 confirms what we thought about Romans 7:21-24 that Paul was speaking about the born again or Spirit filled man, and not as some would have us believe that Paul was speaking about his previous zeal for the law before the Spirit entered his life.

Romans 7
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind,
and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

Gal 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh;
and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things
that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Romans 13:14

Galatians resolves much of Paul's intentions about the Law. I've been contemplating that the law Paul "delighted in" (Rom 7:22) wouldn't be in reference to "the law of Moses" which means this may not necessarily be the same as the "the law of God," (seen a study on this but haven't researched it yet) because the Law of Moses "tutored" (Gal 3:24), until it was time to leave it (25).

A too-obvious-to-see question is why would Paul delight in the Mosaic Law when it was always a curse to be under?: "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" (Gal 3:10); as is states, the reason why being under the Law was a curse because the words "continues not" and "to do them" meant without ever breaking even one, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all" (Jam 2:10).

In other words, it couldn't be perfectly obeyed, which means Israel wasn't expected to do so, because it was God's way of teaching them His will cannot be done apart from His Son.

Also, "after the inward man" (new nature) is a red-flag because it is a description of his "new man" which was in his spirit; a condition not available during the "New Covenant" dispensation, requiring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Rex]

Also, "after the inward man" (new nature) is a red-flag because it is a description of his "new man" which was in his spirit; a condition not available during the "New Covenant" dispensation, requiring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Good point

A too-obvious-to-see question is why would Paul delight in the Mosaic
Law when it was always a curse to be under?: "For as many as are of the
works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every
one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of
the law to do them" (Gal 3:10);
as is states, the reason why being under the Law was a curse because
the words "continues not" and "to do them" meant without ever breaking
even one, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one
point, he is guilty of all" (Jam 2:10).

In Romans 8 after establishing the ground work he says.

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,[a] who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.

In that I don't believe or ever could that somehow the law of the Spirit contradicts the law, it can not. Born of the Spirit serves as a covering to those that are in Christ Jesus we are no longer condemned to death but free from the penalty of the law because of the Spirit that dwells with-in the new man. For we are the temple of God 2 Cor 6:16

 

[Netchaplain]

In my post #5, my last line was suppose to be, "a condition not available until the "New Covenant" dispensation, requiring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Rex]

In my post #5, my last line was suppose to be, "a condition not available until the "New Covenant" dispensation, requiring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

That's what I understood you to say,
I had not accured to me make that point, the timing of events is very important

 

[Netchaplain]

the law of sin and death.

In that I don't believe or ever could that somehow the law of the Spirit contradicts the law, it can not. Born of the Spirit serves as a covering to those that are in Christ Jesus we are no longer condemned to death but free from the penalty of the law because of the Spirit that dwells with-in the new man. For we are the temple of God 2 Cor 6:16

The law of sin and death was that "the soul that sinneth shall die." This dwelt within the Mosaic Law, which is why it involved continuous death of animals, exemplifying the Law was to confirm death for disobedience, which was the continuous condition of the natural man under the Law. Death was the "righteous requirement of the Law" in the case of disobedience--which Christ freed us from--by fulfilling the death requirement for us(Rom 8:4) by dying.