Jun2u
Well-Known Member
KingJ,
I think we are getting off topic with the OP but I believe that it is also essential to speak about the true nature of salvation to you and to those who are reading this thread.
It is irrelevant which word came first whether “world” or “whosoever” but rather, what matters is how we understand the meaning of John 3:16 or any other scripture texts.
People in the churches for the past 100 yrs. or so are taught that Jesus paid for the sins of each and everyone in the world and those who will believe are the only ones to be saved. The problem with this type of idea is that it is contrary to Ephesians 2:9. “Believing”, “faith in”, “confessing”...etc., are works that man performs, and will not bring anyone an inch of iota closer to salvation! Romans 3:10-11 declares, “there is none righteous, there is none that doeth good, and there is none that seeks after God”. If there is none righteous and none that seeks after God, who then can believe on the Lord Jesus? NONE and THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS!
The call to believe on Jesus goes out into the world but according to Romans 3:10-11 no one will believe. But wonderfully, in John 6:44 God did open the spiritual eyes and ears of those who will believe and gave these to the Lord Jesus.
Proverbs 8:36 is merely stating a truism that those who hate God places themselves under the curse of death, and is only a figure of speech, and has nothing to do with loving death.
The Bible is one cohesive whole from Genesis to Revelation. The Gospel should be seen on very page of Scripture, and if we don't see it is because our understanding is faulty, and not because it is not there.
Questions:
1. If you truly know the meaning of Prov. 8:36, what death is in view?
2. How many sins did Jesus take away from a believer at the moment of salvation?
3. Which part of man's being was initially saved upon salvation?
The last two questions pertains to OSAS.
To God Be The Glory
I think we are getting off topic with the OP but I believe that it is also essential to speak about the true nature of salvation to you and to those who are reading this thread.
It is irrelevant which word came first whether “world” or “whosoever” but rather, what matters is how we understand the meaning of John 3:16 or any other scripture texts.
People in the churches for the past 100 yrs. or so are taught that Jesus paid for the sins of each and everyone in the world and those who will believe are the only ones to be saved. The problem with this type of idea is that it is contrary to Ephesians 2:9. “Believing”, “faith in”, “confessing”...etc., are works that man performs, and will not bring anyone an inch of iota closer to salvation! Romans 3:10-11 declares, “there is none righteous, there is none that doeth good, and there is none that seeks after God”. If there is none righteous and none that seeks after God, who then can believe on the Lord Jesus? NONE and THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS!
The call to believe on Jesus goes out into the world but according to Romans 3:10-11 no one will believe. But wonderfully, in John 6:44 God did open the spiritual eyes and ears of those who will believe and gave these to the Lord Jesus.
Proverbs 8:36 is merely stating a truism that those who hate God places themselves under the curse of death, and is only a figure of speech, and has nothing to do with loving death.
The Bible is one cohesive whole from Genesis to Revelation. The Gospel should be seen on very page of Scripture, and if we don't see it is because our understanding is faulty, and not because it is not there.
Questions:
1. If you truly know the meaning of Prov. 8:36, what death is in view?
2. How many sins did Jesus take away from a believer at the moment of salvation?
3. Which part of man's being was initially saved upon salvation?
The last two questions pertains to OSAS.
To God Be The Glory