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Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Bobby Jo, Jul 20, 2019.

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  1. Davy

    Davy Well-Known Member

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    You definitely have dull ears.
     
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    Jay Ross Well-Known Member

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    And you are the one who will not answer the question that I have posed. I am sure BJ will indulge us a little longer until you actually answer the question That I have posed? What else will you receive once you have everlasting life?
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    I just showed you. Gen.12 is only the start of it. You can't just throw that out and stop there. Abraham's inheritance is about God's Birthright. It did not stop with Abraham.

    1 Chron 5:1-2
    5:1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.


    2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)

    KJV

    God's Birthright, which includes the promises He first gave through Abraham, now rest upon the sons of Joseph. The only part that is still with Judah today is the royal sceptre and care of God's law (Gen.49:10). The Birthright is now in the hands of Ephraim and Manasseh. And Ephraim was made head over the ten northern tribe "kingdom of Israel" by God's Hand (1 Kings 11). Thus the those who bless thee, and those who curse thee message is with those who inherit God's Birthright, which is what God first gave through Abraham. This is why Apostle Paul in Galatians 3 would say that those of Faith in Christ Jesus have become the children of Abraham, and inherit with Abraham.
     
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    This applies to you:

    Acts 28:26-28
    26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:

    27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
    KJV
     
  5. Jay Ross

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    If I understood what you were showing me, then I would not be asking the same question.

    Perhaps it is you who is not hearing and understanding the question.

    Is not our inheritance a righteous earth?

    Shalom
     
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    No, it's you're straining at a gnat game that I refuse to play. I gave you the bigger picture and all you want to do is pull one verse from God's Word to use it however you want. Like I said, God's Birthright promises just begin... with Abraham, they don't stop with him, nor do they stop with the seed of Israel, which is where you think it rests, instead of grasping that it rests with Christ's Church.
     
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    Oh Davy, I have not pulled, as you say, just one verse to build a picture, neither have I attempted to put words in your mouth, as you like to do, and then condemn the person on what you think they have presented rather than listening to the person. Did not Christ preach, "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.", in the beatitudes in Matt_5?

    You are a writer of the law as to how a person should respond to God's promises. You present a picture, as I have discerned it, that Israel have had their chance and that they now have been replaced by the "Church" of the Gentiles. This is the theological perspective that you seem to present on this forum.

    So be it, but be prepared to be challenged by people who disagree with your understanding of the scriptures.

    Shalom
     
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    I agree with this, but there is no 'replacement'.
    The true 'church' or congregation of the righteous has always been present since Adam. They have never been all of Israel, always only the faithful believers.
    God did choose a people, they failed in their task to be His witnesses, so He arranged for them to be divided into 2 nations, then conquered and exiled. But for a decreed time; Ezekiel 4:4-6
    Now Judah has come back, but the House of Israel remains scattered among the nations. Jesus came to save them, Matthew 15:24, He was successful and most of the faithful Christians today are Israelites by descent as well as faith.
    This is the Biblical theological perspective!
     
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    And there is much that you present that is not based on the scriptures as well and we have had that discussion before where your focus is on the obtaining of the land rather that a righteous earth. Where you see that Israel must return to the land of Israel to be redeemed. You miss understanding the purposes of God for all of the descendants of Jacob and have accepted the fallible translations without checking out the validity of how those translations have been translated by the scholars adn the bias of these scholars which have skewed the prophecies so badly that our understanding is perverse and not factual.

    Shalom
     
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    We are here on this forum to discuss these issues and to try and gain understanding of them. You opiniated comments, without any scriptural basis, are not helpful to anyone.
    The whole earth will become righteous, but there is a way to go before that can happen. There is yet come several stages in that process and the next one is for all the faithful Christian peoples to gather into all of the holy Land. Isaiah 65:9-16
    Because my understanding differs from yours; then I must be wrong? And the faithful translators?
    I don't buy it, granted we should check several translations before settling on a Biblical fact. But there is rarely any real discrepancies.
    God has seen to it that we have received the truth of His Word. We do not need to question and nit-pick all the details.
     
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    In many of the references that you use, where God prophetically tells through the prophets that he will plant the descendants of Abraham in "soil," the translations have all translated that as "land" because of their understanding that God promised Abraham "Land" in Gen_12:1 rather than an earth that he would show him which was righteous. Because of our flawed translations, a belief has come about that Israel must return to the "Promised Land," i.e. the land of Canaan, for them to be gathered unto the Lord. The prophetic language used in say Ezekiel is metaphorical rather than literal as you are tending to use it. God tells us that he will bring the descendants into their own fertile field/soil where they are scattered through the whole earth and that He will teach them, where they are scattered, about the "Mountains of Israel," i.e. God's statutes requirements for being in relationship with God. This is also true for the Christian scattered throughout the whole earth. We also are being taught on the "Mountains of Israel" about the things of God and the processes involved in entering into a true relationship with God.

    Sadly you check the various translations to see if they agree but you do not do due diligence on the accuracy of the translations from the perspective of the source texts for the translations. With a little effort, without having studied the Hebrew Language in great death, it is possible to come to a better understanding of the translation of the respective scriptural passages, and either confirm or raise doubts on the validity of the respective translations. Since "Tradition" has been the guiding light in the translations, it is easy to see that the various translations will agree with each other.

    Just because many people believe something is true, does not mean that what they believe is true.

    You have blindly hung your hat on the square peg of the translations rather than on the actual meaning that God intended the scriptures to convey.

    You have written much on what you believe is God's truth about the End Times, but I would challenge you to openly acknowledge that your understanding is based on an opinion that you hold that most of the translations are infallible and as such you believe that your expressed opinions based on this flawed opinion are therefore reflective of God's words to the nation, but only in your opinion. You write as if you are right, but that is far from the truth

    shalom
     
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    @Jay Ross
    @Davy

    ... and once again, the "christians" (small "c") in this Forum have HIJACKED another topic.

    Satan does the same thing, -- divert/distract/disorient. It's a tactic as old as the Garden of Eden.

    They pretend to be "discussing" GOD and HIS Word, but they're really only throwing tares/salt/rocks to disrupt the harvest. And they'll get their reward, maybe sooner, maybe later. -- GOD knows. :)

    Bobby Jo
     
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    I blow a hole in your OP when I put my mind to it, to show that you are the one who is untruthful in what you write.

    Shalom
     
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    Please post your personal opinions and "Shalom" religious hypocrisy elsewhere. :)

    Thanks,
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Bobby Jo, it seems that you are stating the obvious, but your posting practices seems to be to express your opinion of others in similar fashion.

    If it is okay for you to do it but not okay for others to do it towards your good self, in your opinion, then please lead by example.

    Oh and regarding religious hypocrisy, you have the market all cornered on that front.

    Thanks

    PS: - You still have not answered my question yet as to who or what "the four winds of heaven" are.

    It seems that you run away and hid behind your mum's apron strings.
     
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    Depart from me -- in JESUS NAME.

    Bobby Jo
     
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    Oh what fun, do you need an exorcism, there are plenty of spiritualist around to help you with your problem but since I do not live in your country, I leave it up to your friends to advise you. Is harry still around?
     
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    Go away -- worker of iniquity.

    Bobby Jo
     
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    Whew, -- some people are simply Sadducee & Pharisees. I guess they can't/won't help themselves, which is too bad.

    But, the issues in the Middle East still remain volatile and apparently is expanding to include Israel taking preemptive action against Hezbollah in both Syria and Lebanon. And the Iranian oil tanker was released by the British, but their oil tanker is still pirated by the Iranians.

    The only caveat to the timing of any significant conflict is given in the Book of Matthew:

    Matt. 24:20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath.


    The start of a conflict at this time might result in a winter flight to safety given a three or four month remaining window versus the mobilization and deployment logistics of troops and vehicles.

    It remains to be seen,
    Bobby Jo
     
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